Neverending Covid-19 Coronavirus

My sister is a brewer at a brewery. About 70% of their business is Restaurants and Bars. Because there is an order that restaurants and bars are closed in MA they are shutting down the production line after Tuesday.

They are expecting to have to temporarily layoff employees until the order the closes restaurants and bars is lifted.

Being under 50 total employees there is no guarantee for the 2 weeks sick leave. Look like they plan is to just straight up lay people off so they can collect unemployment.

I don't know what that means for Health Insurance, can't be good.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
How's everybody getting through their day-to-day without letting thoughts of this crisis totally consume them?
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There's any number of things that could go wrong. There's still outliers on who gets severely affected by the illness and I worry for my parents and my son. My industry is the absolute definition of 'Luxury Good.' It has no divine right of survival and the twenty plus years of experience I've accrued could yet total to a worth of between 'fuck' and 'all.' This morning, I received the confirmation of registration of the 300bhp midlife crisis toy that is my next car. I ordered it in November having tallied up if it made financial sense. Now, I haven't the faintest idea if I can pay for it. With that comes my mortgage, my child support obligations and pretty much everything else.

But it's all theoretical. I have no means to fully control my fate, let alone my wider industry and all I can do is focus on the now, keep putting in the work and doing it as well as I can. If, in the long run, I'm fucked, then so are thousands of other people so I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. Years ago, at university, THIS BOOK was required reading on my course. One of the things that stuck with me is that some of the most effective people in crisis situations admitted after the event that they simply shrunk their perspectives and priorities down to the micro- taking the ridge, surviving the day, saving their friend etc. Accordingly, my priorities are turning to the micro. I shall deal with each task and each day. I'll follow basic instructions and do what I can to keep my head above water. I'll put the legwork in and trust in people to do the same. We'll see where we stand in due course but however infuriating and hopeless it feels, you cannot focus on much beyond the here and now.
 
BjorgenFjorgen said:
Man, noted shithead Tom Cotton coming in to the left of the Democrats on emergency funding for workers is not something I saw coming.

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I saw this, hopefully Pelosi comes back with a second bill. Cotton is right, you need offer folks some relief, the stress and anxiety associated with the pandemic is high enough. The government can and should provide finical support to all taxpayers.
 
BjorgenFjorgen said:
Man, noted shithead Tom Cotton coming in to the left of the Democrats on emergency funding for workers is not something I saw coming.

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Yet Mr. Cottonweed crabgrass wouldn't vote for the bill unless the democrats added an exemption for companies of 500 employees or more when it comes to the 2 weeks paid sick leave.

Trump also said the same thing in his press conference on Friday. If you read between the lines it means they are not willing to meet the Republicans demands.

One thing the Republicans are looking to do right now is temporarily suspend the payroll tax. This is the tax business pay. Not what comes out of your check. So it does not go into the hands of the people.

These are the types of things the republicans are looking for. Not mandated pay for sick leave which costs businesses money.
 
Skalap said:
Yup, fortunately today is a rainy day so stupid people are not outside drinking beers and greeting. I'll see what will be announced tonight but I believe i'll have to stay home for a few days or even weeks.
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Hang in there man - I have a feeling many of us are going to go through that as well. I'm expecting it by end of week. Lots of belligerents despite all the warnings here too.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
I don't know if that's true. This crisis is laying bare some of the fundamental weaknesses of our society that maybe we shouldn't have put together like this in the first place.
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There are always weaknesses to every society. That doesn’t mean it’s going to fall apart. Things will right themselves though. People want stability.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
First human dose (FHD) occurred in the first vaccine trial today. It's a long long road from that to finished product, assuming it's not one of the likely many candidates that will fail for safety/efficacy reasons, but still, a bit of good news out of NIAID.
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I know it takes a year/18 months for a vaccine, or any drug really, to get approved. But is there a way that they can fast track approval/testing and go to market? since this is a special situation.
 
wokeupnew said:
I know it takes a year/18 months for a vaccine, or any drug really, to get approved. But is there a way that they can fast track approval/testing and go to market? since this is a special situation.
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In the rest of the world yes.

In the United States, no. Not unless we take emergency action to change up the buracrazy.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
In the rest of the world yes.

In the United States, no. Not unless we take emergency action to change up the buracrazy.
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We're going to have other countries air dropping vaccines in a couple of months 😬
Indymisanthrope said:
I don't know exactly how it works with infectious diseases, but there are fast tracks. The problem is that often that even if you establish that the vaccine itself doesn't cause any adverse events, there are lots of confirmatory questions that have to be answered. Is it effective? How do you prove that (through antibodies? by exposing people to the virus? how many times?)? Does it work the same for everybody (men and women? young and old? is it safe for children?)? Are there long term effects? What's the stability of the compound (meaning how long can it sit in a vial before it becomes inert)? How do you prove that (by waiting and testing and retesting and retesting over time)? Do you have the ingredients and equipment and expertise needed to manufacture it at scale? etc.

With a lifesaving treatment like cancer, or even to treat a chronic disease, you can really target your patient population and observe them over time. With something that you hopefully plan to administer to a significant portion of the population to prevent a disease, you need to have a high degree of confidence that it's effective, and that it's safe both short- and long-term.

Edit: And with all of those things in the way of standard drug development, I'd say that the 12-18 month range to have an approved drug on the market is already blazing fast. It's not uncommon for pharma to need a decade to take a molecule from discovery to approval.
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that's a great point. you'd have to test and monitor for any long term effects, and with that, you need time.
 
Wow, 32 pages of this?

We're still business as usual for the most part at my office. Anyone who can work from home is allowed to, but most of us cannot.

Luckily my wife will be able to WFH, and if I do need to go home and quarantine for any length of time my job will pay me. We're fortunate in that way. But all our grocery stores are completely wiped out, so hopefully people chill out soon.

My biggest issue is I'm an extrovert whose social battery charges around people and drains in isolation. So My introvert wife is going to get REALLY sick of me after a couple days.
 
Max Sterling said:
Wow, 32 pages of this?

We're still business as usual for the most part at my office. Anyone who can work from home is allowed to, but most of us cannot.

Luckily my wife will be able to WFH, and if I do need to go home and quarantine for any length of time my job will pay me. We're fortunate in that way. But all our grocery stores are completely wiped out, so hopefully people chill out soon.

My biggest issue is I'm an extrovert whose social battery charges around people and drains in isolation. So My introvert wife is going to get REALLY sick of me after a couple days.
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www.dailymail.co.uk

Divorces spike after 'spending time during coronavirus quarantine'

Officials believe the sharp increase of divorce applications around the country could be caused by the fact that partners have spent too much time in close quarters during self-isolation.
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