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wokeupnew said:
isn't this point unproven yet?

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If people can get sick again, humanity is totally fucked.

There are reports of people in asia getting this twice - but it's unclear if they were really recovered in the first place or if even the first diagnostic was accurate (i.e. maybe they had the flu, got diagnosed with covid via a lung x ray or by inference as opposed to a PCR test, or had a false-positive, recovered and then actually got COVID). There are very few of these so far though. It does apparently happen sometimes with other viruses.

But bottom-line, if your body can fight it off, it's because it developed antibodies to it, i.e. immunity. Also, the only way a vaccine can be made is if an antigen of some kind can illicit an immune response. Maybe some people lose their antibody producing cells quickly? I wouldn't believe it's generalized though.

EDIT: also, the infection curve that occurred in China would not have happened if people can get this twice in short order, so that alone is sufficient to suggest it's rare.
 
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www.cdc.gov

Severe Outcomes Among Patients with Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19

COVID-19 can result in severe disease, including hospitalization, admission to an intensive care unit, and death, especially among older adults. Everyone can take actions, such as social distancing...
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The big takeaway from this is coronavirus isn't justy really bad for the elderly. 38% of all hospitalizations are from people 20 years of age to 54. Millenials are being hit especially hard.
 
www.cnn.com

Hospitals and doctors offices battling coronavirus are running out of protective gear, so some are making their own | CNN

Doctors, nurses and other medical staff caring for the growing number of novel coronavirus cases around the United States are scrambling to find the basic protective gear they need to keep themselves and their patients safe.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

Also, on the Today show this morning all the hospitals across the country are on allotment for their supply orders. There aren't enough supplies available to fulfill orders so hospitals are only getting allotments.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
www.cdc.gov

Severe Outcomes Among Patients with Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19

COVID-19 can result in severe disease, including hospitalization, admission to an intensive care unit, and death, especially among older adults. Everyone can take actions, such as social distancing...
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

The big takeaway from this is coronavirus isn't justy really bad for the elderly. 38% of all hospitalizations are from people 20 years of age to 54. Millenials are being hit especially hard.
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I keep seeing this statistic as well. But my million dollar question is that if those people had any underlying health issues as well. Just because they're young doesn't mean they don't smoke, have diabetes, heart disease etc.
 
dbarila said:
I keep seeing this statistic as well. But my million dollar question is that if those people had any underlying health issues as well. Just because they're young doesn't mean they don't smoke, have diabetes, heart disease etc.
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If you look at these two graphs from the chinese outbreak, you see quickly that a lot of the deaths are linked to pre-existing condition. Obviously, age is related to having such conditions which would be an explanation as to why this is more deadly in the elderly in general.

There is one caveat. Why are the very young so unaffected? In a usual outbreak, the very young form another usually smaller peak of severe outcome because their immune system is not experienced enough. Not here. One possibility I read about (sorry, don't remember the reference) is that the immune system in some older people has seen something like this and uses the old ineffective antibodies to fight this instead of making new ones, causing the fatal lung flooding. The young naive immune system wouldn't have those wrong antibodies so it just makes new ones which effectively fight it off quickly.

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RenegadeMonster said:
www.engadget.com

Elon Musk: Tesla 'will make ventilators if there is a shortage'

Elon Musk simply refuses to stop tweeting (because "Twitter is fun") but his most recent conversation could be about more than fun. While facing widespread criticism over his response to the coronavirus pandemic and decision to continue operating the Tesla plant in Fremont despite a county-wide...
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If? There's already a shortage. People are dying from the shortage in Italy and he still says it is overblown. Such an ass. At least he isn't calling doctors on the front lines pedos yet.
 
Just heard a report with people being furloughed and laid off the cash flow coming into the insurance companies is way down. Meanwhile, the amount of money they are paying out is increasing exponentially. Most major insurance companies will run out of cash on hand to pay out claims.

The government is going to have to take action. Our system will likely break if the insurance companies are not bailed out. None of the current plans proposed by the government address this issue.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
www.cnn.com

Hospitals and doctors offices battling coronavirus are running out of protective gear, so some are making their own | CNN

Doctors, nurses and other medical staff caring for the growing number of novel coronavirus cases around the United States are scrambling to find the basic protective gear they need to keep themselves and their patients safe.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

Also, on the Today show this morning all the hospitals across the country are on allotment for their supply orders. There aren't enough supplies available to fulfill orders so hospitals are only getting allotments.
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Just heard an expert call out this situation as unacceptable. We had 2 months notice that this was going on in other countries and hospitals should have been stocking up on protective gear. They did not for the most part. Most didn't place orders outside of their regular day to day needs until the demand for them was needed.

Now we have healthcare professionals improvising and making their own masks and we don't know if they will be effective.
 
dbarila said:
I keep seeing this statistic as well. But my million dollar question is that if those people had any underlying health issues as well. Just because they're young doesn't mean they don't smoke, have diabetes, heart disease etc.
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Just saw a report on this. The answer is no, they don't have any underlaying health issues as well. At least no where near the percentage you see in the elderly. This is why the death rate is much much lower for younger people.

The issue is Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome. It is where the virus can cause your lungs to swell and fill with fluid in a mater of only a couple hours. Young healthy people are much more likely to recover from this.

Edit: Fixed typos. Changed longs to lungs and well to swell.
 
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Updates in NY:
  • 75% of the workforce any any company must stay at home. This is an increase from 50% issues yesterday.
  • Mortgage payments have been suspended for 90 days. This is not an exemption on mortgage payments, they will just be added as extra payments on the back end.
  • Credit card late fees and penalty interest rates have been suspended for 90 days.

What about those who pay rent?
 
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