Sutherland 20/20 Load and Gain Settings

HiFi Guy said:
Did you move recently?

Is your floor suspended or a slab?

Looking at that pic though, the speaker placement is still a stretch.

The KAB filter isn’t a bad thing, especially with 50 watts per channel. The filter is making the amp work less as it’s not amplifying subsonic signals.

If it sounds good, all is well.
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We set everything up when we moved in back in January of 2020. The Vandersteen instructions tell you how to measure the room, as I assume you know since you recommended the Vandersteens to us back in 2018, and we have them placed in the proper place to counter nodes. We love the Vandersteens. The floor is not a slab; it has a subfloor. Everything sounds good. I really was just curious why I might need a subsonic filter, but I think I have a grasp now. Thank you! Your advice has been very much appreciated over the past few years :) We love our setup!
 
forkandspoon said:
We purchased our Vandersteens in 2018. They do not have power to them, so I am assuming they have a passive radiator?
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I should have chosen my words more carefully; it is a subwoofer driven by the power amp as it is crossed over at a lower frequency than the woofer. It has a voice coil, so it is driven.

Older models, I believe, used a passive radiator which has no voice coil and is driven by the back pressure from the woofer, like the Klipsch Forte. It’s not “active” in the sense that it’s powered. Vandersteen tries to use flowery language to make a distinction; they call it an “Active Acoustic Coupler”.

I agree with @HiFi Guy on the KAB filter and the speaker placement. Having the turntable 5 feet in front of the speaker may create issues, but the filter will handle it.
 
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forkandspoon said:
We set everything up when we moved in back in January of 2020. The Vandersteen instructions tell you how to measure the room, as I assume you know since you recommended the Vandersteens to us back in 2018, and we have them placed in the proper place to counter nodes. We love the Vandersteens. The floor is not a slab; it has a subfloor. Everything sounds good. I really was just curious why I might need a subsonic filter, but I think I have a grasp now. Thank you! Your advice has been very much appreciated over the past few years :) We love our setup!
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@forkandspoon - Thought of you recently - everything still okay with the 20/20?
 
Does anyone use the 64db setting? Using 58 on my OC9XML and feel like that's enough, just curious whether anyone has found a cartridge that benenfits from the 64db gain, or if that's what they'reusing on the daily?
 
ngower said:
Does anyone use the 64db setting? Using 58 on my OC9XML and feel like that's enough, just curious whether anyone has found a cartridge that benenfits from the 64db gain, or if that's what they'reusing on the daily?
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I’m running 58db for my Zephyr. I imagine you’d only go with 64db for the lowest-output carts.
 
My 20/20 appears to be on the fritz - the right channel is intermittently going dead. Doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to it.

I've reached out to Ron and he's already responded to me several times. I've sent him photos of the unit and explained all my troubleshooting steps; will let you all know how everything goes.

Meanwhile, might need to look into a placeholder phono. Waxwing time??
 
kvetcha said:
My 20/20 appears to be on the fritz - the right channel is intermittently going dead. Doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to it.

I've reached out to Ron and he's already responded to me several times. I've sent him photos of the unit and explained all my troubleshooting steps; will let you all know how everything goes.

Meanwhile, might need to look into a placeholder phono. Waxwing time??
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The Waxwing would be an intriguing choice. If I were looking for a backup phono that I might only use for a short duration, I'd consider a vintage pair of Sony HA-T10 SUTs and a Classic Audio Spartan 5 phono.

The reason why is because @HiFi Guy was quite complementary on how the SUTs benefitted his Sutherland Duos - a similar effect I'd imagine with the 20/20. The Spartan 5 is a seriously good bargain MM phonostage in itself and would be a good backup to have in case one is needed. Just one guy's opinion.
 
Angsty said:
The Waxwing would be an intriguing choice. If I were looking for a backup phono that I might only use for a short duration, I'd consider a vintage pair of Sony HA-T10 SUTs and a Classic Audio Spartan 5 phono.

The reason why is because @HiFi Guy was quite complementary on how the SUTs benefitted his Sutherland Duos - a similar effect I'd imagine with the 20/20. The Spartan 5 is a seriously good bargain MM phonostage in itself and would be a good backup to have in case one is needed. Just one guy's opinion.
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I’m running a Denon SUT on the 20/20 and it is a great combo!
 
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