Neverending Covid-19 Coronavirus

As expected my city is in a state of emergency now with a lot of things completely shutting down.

But we’re not! I’m fuming
 
Hearing that our Governor will be holding a press conference on to update us on the status of the states response on coronavirus.

It is likely he will also shut down schools state wide during this press conference starting next week.
 
Governor is on now. Schools are not being shut down at this time. They will remain open and they have issued guidance for when schools should shut down and for how long. At this time they do not believe a system wide closer is necessary and is leaving it up to individual distracts.

Also, we know have a state wide ban on gatherings of 250 people or more.
 
ranbalam said:
This is the shit that is driving me mad. It was re-posted by a co-worker who I usually ignore from day to day but sometimes need to confront because he's a ...awww, never mind him, I'll get too worked up...anyway.... he posted this with a "Tada!"


(italicized so it's not even remotely confused with something I typed.)


There is a dark & wickedly sinister agenda behind this whole Coronavirus thing. It is not what they are telling us. There is a book about the stock market crash of 2008. It was a managed crash. There was an election that needed to be won. A managed crash of the stock market was necessary. It worked. That election was won.
Now, there is another election that needs to be won and the same people, and companies are panicking the public about the Coronavirus. The main stream media has become an instrument of propoganda. This panic is tanking the stock market.
Based on the CIA World Factbook, there 7.7 billion people in the world. There are 333 million people in the United States. Add in the 40 million illegal immigrants, there are upwards of 370 million.
World wide, there has been less than 4 thousand deaths. The death toll is slowly creaping up, but it doesn't match up to the level of panic that the media is causing.
Why are companies & schools in the United States closing down when not even 100k people are sick and less that 20 people have died?
Why are companies like Twitter, Facebook, Citibank, etc., encouraging their employees to work from home "to avoid getting sick?"
Why is the media hyping this disease up?
Why aren't they talking about influenza in the U.S. when 81,000 people in the U.S. have died from it this year?
We have had the worst market crash ever because of the Chinese situation with covid-19, but according to news reports, less than 4 thousand people in China, a country of 1.4 billion have died.
Why is the whole world shutting down?
People in high places have stated that they are willing to lose money in the stock market if it will get rid of this President.
Because of media hype, the President and CVC are forced to react.
HUGE RED FLAG, The president asked for 2 billion dollars to combat this virius. Democrats said, nooooooo! We need 8 billion: and actually gave the 8 billion to him. Hummmm.
Keep watching. Something wicked will be exposed in the future.
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It would be funny the stuff some people continue to believe, if it wasn't actively dangerous.
 
I have a huge issue with how they decided to handle school closings in MA.

The guidance for closing is if a parent of a student tests positive the school will be closed for disinfecting. That student will be in quarantine and the school will re open.

If multiple parents of students test positive or if students test positive there are is different guidance for how long the school should remain closed.

My issue is this all depends on testing positive. There is not enough tests to go around and you only qualify for a test if you have come in contact with someone who tested positive or traveled to 1 of 5 different countries.

So how will they know if coronavirus is in their school system?
 
wokeupnew said:
Is it weird that I barely remember anything about the 2009 H1N1 Flu Epidemic? How was that different than this one? I was 17~ when that was going on but I don't recall as much precaution, if any, at all.
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I do not recall it being any where close to this bad. I don't recall having this much anxiety. Or thinking I needed to stock up for weeks. It was addressed and handled a bit faster than what is happening now.
 
Our Governor is talking about tests and answering questions about it.

One of the questions was why aren't we using the test that is available to the rest of the world if we have a supply issue.

The answer is it's illegal under federal law. Washington State did in a few labs because they felt like they had no choice to properly diagnose everyone. And the FDA shut them down and invalidated all the test results. He says we have to stay legal and not be at odds with the federal laws.
 
kvetcha said:
It spread like crazy, but the disease itself was significantly less deadly, and did not target older populations the way COVID-19 does.
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Exactly. Covid 19 is unique in that it has moderate communicability AND moderate lethality. H1N1 was insanely communicable. The thing about Covid 19 tho is it is being spread behind the scenes for so long that when it finally emerges (say end of next week) it will be catastrophic.
 
The widespread distrust of the media in a time of crisis when that trust is sorely needed was a wholly avoidable yet totally predictable occurrence. When mass media gave up even the barest semblance of journalistic integrity and became overt partisan players, they abdicated their mantle as the purveyors of news and facts that could be trusted. That role was taken up by blogs and conspiracists. Combined with the siege mindset of large portions of the population who feel as if everything they hold valuable in life is under attack, wild and dangerous theories like those y’all have shared become believable.

We no longer live in a high trust society, if you think it’s bad now, just wait. It’s only going to get worse.
 
wokeupnew said:
Is it weird that I barely remember anything about the 2009 H1N1 Flu Epidemic? How was that different than this one? I was 17~ when that was going on but I don't recall as much precaution, if any, at all.
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I think it's two things - the first is, as has already been mentioned, that H1N1 didn't have a such a specific demographic that it was substantially more lethal to. It might've spread more but it's fatality rate was spread across the population, whereas with coronavirus one can safely say it WILL NOT kill young people, but if you're over 60 with hypertension, a smoker, and have diabetes, it WILL kill YOU. Second, there's a massive difference between “the flu's going to be bad this year” and “there's a novel virus we don't know anything about on trajectory to become a pandemic.” Combine this with the general tension and uncertainty of this Trump, Brexit, and social-media news-cycle-can-be-measured-in-milliseconds age and PANIC EVERYWHERE ALL OF THE TIME.
 
Chucktshoes said:
The widespread distrust of the media in a time of crisis when that trust is sorely needed was a wholly avoidable yet totally predictable occurrence. When mass media gave up even the barest semblance of journalistic integrity and became overt partisan players, they abdicated their mantle as the purveyors of news and facts that could be trusted. That role was taken up by blogs and conspiracists. Combined with the siege mindset of large portions of the population who feel as if everything they hold valuable in life is under attack, wild and dangerous theories like those y’all have shared become believable.

We no longer live in a high trust society, if you think it’s bad now, just wait. It’s only going to get worse.
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I hate to say it, but I think you've summed up what this day and age is about as succinctly as I've seen. I guess I'm a little bit more optimistic than you but I'll agree one would be fooling themselves to think we'll all catch a break when/if this calms down in a couple months.
 
What I'm really hoping is that this fumbling in the dark we're doing now can help next time- because there will be a next time, and it could be something much worse, like a bird flu with a death rate over 30% that doesn't just mainly kill the elderly, for example.

There's also the issue that now this virus is in the human population, it will continue to evolve and adapt to its new hosts. This could go in several directions, some making it milder but more likely to keep itself moving around the population, some making it more virulent. We're going to have this period of rough transition, but the truth is we're probably going to be living with this virus and its descendants for a long time.
 
I still don't quite get it. Other than Fox news which leans right most all main stream media is in fact in the neutral zone / centrist. How can that be considered overt partisan. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
wokeupnew said:
Is it weird that I barely remember anything about the 2009 H1N1 Flu Epidemic? How was that different than this one? I was 17~ when that was going on but I don't recall as much precaution, if any, at all.
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I have gone back and forth as what to talk about here. My master's is in public health with a concentration in biostatistics. There are a few things going on. First, we know just about what the R-naught is or the rate of infection with the flu. We know how it spreads, how fast it spreads, symptoms of the flu, and most importantly what comorbidities (this is a fancy word for other health conditions) could be impacted and how to keep those people with these comorbidities relatively safe.

With COVID-19, we really aren't sure about any of these things. We don't know how fast it spreads. We aren't entirely sure how it spreads. We don't quite know it's affects on people with other serious health conditions. What makes it very problematic for the first world, is that we have a lot more people that are elderly compared to places in the third world. Our demographics, as well as our advanced medicine that is keeping people with serious health conditions and a ton of octo and nonagenarians alive, are now putting a lot more people at risk of serious infection.

The second thing that you have to consider is that your body has seen the flu before. For the most part, your immune system has a file on it and can say, "Ah, I've seen this before and know what to do." With a novel disease, that's not the case, so there is potential for your immune system to stage the wrong immune response. This is what happened with the Spanish Flu in 1918.

The 2009 H1N1 flu was bad because of how many old and immuno-compromised people are in this country. It looks like the death rate for this same cohort of people is astronomically higher with COVID-19.
 
LeSamourai said:
What I'm really hoping is that this fumbling in the dark we're doing now can help next time- because there will be a next time, and it could be something much worse, like a bird flu with a death rate over 30% that doesn't just mainly kill the elderly, for example.

There's also the issue that now this virus is in the human population, it will continue to evolve and adapt to its new hosts. This could go in several directions, some making it milder but more likely to keep itself moving around the population, some making it more virulent. We're going to have this period of rough transition, but the truth is we're probably going to be living with this virus and its descendants for a long time.
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There is some talk that this could easily become a cyclical event like the flu. This is a pretty good article that basically says, we don't really know anything.
ccdd.hsph.harvard.edu

Seasonality of SARS-CoV-2: Will COVID-19 go away on its own in warmer weather?

Marc Lipsitch, DPhil Professor of Epidemiology and Director, Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics, Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health (tl;dr) Probably not. Several people, including the …
ccdd.hsph.harvard.edu ccdd.hsph.harvard.edu
 
RenegadeMonster said:
I still don't quite get it. Other than Fox news which leans right most all main stream media is in fact in the neutral zone / centrist. How can that be considered overt partisan. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I know you may believe that to be the case, but let me assure you that for a huge portion of the population, that assertion is viewed as ridiculous on its face.
 
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