Black Lives Matter

I just almost got into a fight w this dude at the grocery store. A young black dude got caught stealing food and they were trying to call the cops on him. Me and a couple other people told the grocery store security to let him go and we’ll pay for whatever he took and this middle aged white dude tried to stop the guy when the security agreed to let him go. So I stepped in and told him to step back. I kid you not, this dude kept asking me why I was okay with letting him go, he asked multiple times “Are you ANTIFA?!”. Thats where we’re at people, that’s what we’re dealing with. People who can not see the pain in others and they can not see the hate in their hearts so they vilify the good in others. Everybody threw their hands up and stormed away when this guy accused me of being ANTIFA. I was fucking DUMBSTRUCK but I also wanted to scream and/or strangle him. When I got back in the car I couldn’t help but cry man, this guy saw this young (most likely homeless) black man as the enemy. So much so that he was ready to assault him to ensure he could not put food in his stomach.
 
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Protest in Rochester was larger, louder, and more organized than last week. There were no cops anywhere to be seen, and lo and behold it was completely peaceful.
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Damn, I bet they pissed that “operation plant bricks on corners” isn’t going over so well.
 
Crazy how many white people on Twitter seem to be going around saying "Of course they don't really mean de-fund or abolish when they say those words. They just mean reform."

Not to say everyone who is protesting wants to de-fund or abolish police completely, but some do and it is really not a good look to speak for them by saying they don't really mean what they mean.
 
I just discovered this thread. Great convo guys. Just wanted to say that I just watched Hoop Dreams for the first time (which is kinda crazy as I’m a film and basketball junkie). It wound up being super relevant. Definitely paints a clear picture of the ways in which certain white institutions treat black black men (and their families) as disposable.

Also the two rallies I’ve been to in LA have been peaceful, communal and even sort of therapeutic. The vast majority of the crowd was also wearing masks which was good to see.

(I’m only 1/3 through reading this thread so I might add another post. I’m really curious for thoughts on Minneapolis City Counsels decision)

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Hi! Sorry, Mr. Glitter and I dug through our library for recommendations and talked about different orgs, and then we decided to get drunk and watch Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. instead of getting back online, hahaha.

Lucky for us, this morning we found out that our #1 recommendation for you, The End of Policing by Alex S. Vitale, is free to download right now via that link.

Another excellent book for researching policing in general is Our Enemies In Blue: Police and Power in America by Kristian Williams. The majority of the book is about police in America, but it has an entire afterward about Making Police Obsolete.

Someone already linked to Critical Resistance, I believe. They have a ton of great resources regarding abolition of police and prisons and more. I particularly think folks in this thread might like this pdf comparing Reformists to Abolitionist positions in policing.

Accountability is a huge factor in preventing the culture of self-preservation you mention. People who are usurping power are obsessed with keeping it. We know police unions coordinate with government to avoid just about any accountability. Replacing policing with systems that allow people to function in community as we are evolved to do, with plenty of accountability can help prevent the grotesque system of power and abuse we currently have in place. There is no utopia. But the idea that people are inherently evil and must be policed comes a lot from Christian belief systems--the same ones used to justify colonialism, whiteness, genocide, manifest destiny.View attachment 50137
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Snagged The End of Policing. Thanks.

As a Sociology minor back in the day (lots of Foucault + food production + studying the origins / effects of neo-con/liberalism). I've recently gotten the itch for this type of stuff but was kinda of directionless as it pertains to vital, modern reading.
 
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Something I have yet to see mentioned is that the KKK long ago determined that there best route to relevancy was infiltrating and joining local police forces. I'd venture to say that if we knew the percentage of KKK who are also cops, it'd be very high.

Which is exactly why you see all these videos of white supremacy groups being protected and even empowered during these protests.

www.pbs.org

FBI warned of white supremacists in law enforcement 10 years ago. Has anything changed?

In 2006, the FBI warned that white supremacists infiltrating local and state law enforcement posed a threat to national security. Some are asking, what's been done to curb the trend in the decade since?
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org

Oh, also...

There are allegations that LAPD arrested protestors, sorted them by gender, zip tied them to the inside of a bus, gave the women MULTIPLE cavity searches, left them inside the bus for hours on end while they pissed themselves and had panic attacks (and homeless people lost their shit), blasted them with heavy metal and then released them in the middle of the night and told them to find their way home....

The media has been very quiet about it but it has been added to the BLM lawsuit against the city.

www.nbclosangeles.com

Black Lives Matter Files Suit Against City, LAPD Chief Over Detained Protesters

Black Lives Matter-LA filed suit Friday in federal court against the Los Angeles Police Department and its chief, alleging the recent mass detention of more than 2,600 peaceful protesters, held handcuffed on buses without access to bathroom facilities, water or food, was a violation of rights...
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www.dailymail.co.uk

USC grad details HORRIFIC arrest by LAPD cops during peaceful protest

Laura Montilla, 22, said the protesters were arrested for curfew violations on June 1. They were zip-tied with their cries for help drowned out by loud heavy metal music.
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ktla.com

Controversial encounters between police and protesters in SoCal caught on camera

As tension on Southern California streets slowly eases following more than a week of protests over the death of George Floyd in police custody in Minneapolis, video footage capturing recent violent…
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Variations of this happened on multiple buses. Even ignoring all the other violence, this + the incident in Buffalo is making it harder and harder to argue it’s just a few bad apples.

I have friends with cops as family members. One of them is a really good man who helped run his department’s academy in a way that attempted to ensure bad apples didn’t make it through. The moving photos from Camden involve his department. I do not think all cops are bad men. I do think the system is largely rotten and good cops are often prevented from positions of power or meaningful reform. More importantly, I think there is zero accountability because the system is designed that way.

And the fact that there is zero accountability gives them the sense that they are above the law (and as many others have mentioned) results in a certain personality type being attracted to the job. Hell, the head of the union for LAPD basically just threatened the mayor's life with a comment along the lines of "don't forget we're the ones who guard your house while you sleep".
 
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I wound up finding the full film on youtube. Have to go to bed momentarily but I am very much enjoying it. So thank you. May send it to my parents to. My mom will enjoy it from a psychology standpoint and my while dad is an awesome human being- he is white AF. Might leave him thinking a bit.

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I wrote in a project in grad school that school and the education system is the most universal government invention in all people’s lives. Imaging if at every school you had access to a social worker, MH counselor, lower student to teacher ratios, more opportunities to explore extra curricular activities. School sights could be built into the center piece of a community. I know it a pie in the sky idea. I’ve worked in poor schools in East LA next to section 8 housing and currently in one in a wealthy suburb. The difference is stark.
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1000%. School funding being based off property tax is such a huge part of this country's inequality. And charter schools have only made it worse. It's infuriating and helping to dumb down the entire country (intentionally).
 
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I re-watched this video today and I urge as many as people as possible to watch it. I think its the perfect encapsulation of the problem (and Piers Morgan is the perfect example of someone that has racism ingrained in his belief system). Ignoring the fact that Morgan constantly tries to bait Professor Kehinde Andrews into stating he hates the UK (seriously its embarrassing the number of times he does this) it goes to show that the hosts fully believe one good deed cancels out any other. So many times in this conversation both of the hosts, Susanna Reid & Piers Morgan, say so many inherently racist things, including suggesting the Professor should move elsewhere if he isn't happy with the racism, that its Piers Morgan's country (the Professor's response of "Its just as much my country" was swept under the rug), and that the Professor is focusing on one small thing (Churchill being racist) rather than looking at the bigger thing ('winning the war') which ironically is exactly what Morgan is doing in reverse.

For those of you that are unfamiliar with Piers Morgan, he uses shouting and attempts to drown out the guests on a regular basis as he is incapable of actually debating. He tried turning the guests genuine views into something else which he knows the general public would not like (ie you hate this country) on a regular basis. Worst of all is that, as my girlfriend pointed out, had this conversation taken place today amidst the current Black Lives Matter rally Piers would 100% be on the side of Professor Kehinde Andrews, as he ultimately wants to be seen as the voice of the people (he very much is not.....at least I really hope so).

 
Selaws said:
I re-watched this video today and I urge as many as people as possible to watch it. I think its the perfect encapsulation of the problem (and Piers Morgan is the perfect example of someone that has racism ingrained in his belief system). Ignoring the fact that Morgan constantly tries to bait Professor Kehinde Andrews into stating he hates the UK (seriously its embarrassing the number of times he does this) it goes to show that the hosts fully believe one good deed cancels out any other. So many times in this conversation both of the hosts, Susanna Reid & Piers Morgan, say so many inherently racist things, including suggesting the Professor should move elsewhere if he isn't happy with the racism, that its Piers Morgan's country (the Professor's response of "Its just as much my country" was swept under the rug), and that the Professor is focusing on one small thing (Churchill being racist) rather than looking at the bigger thing ('winning the war') which ironically is exactly what Morgan is doing in reverse.

For those of you that are unfamiliar with Piers Morgan, he uses shouting and attempts to drown out the guests on a regular basis as he is incapable of actually debating. He tried turning the guests genuine views into something else which he knows the general public would not like (ie you hate this country) on a regular basis. Worst of all is that, as my girlfriend pointed out, had this conversation taken place today amidst the current Black Lives Matter rally Piers would 100% be on the side of Professor Kehinde Andrews, as he ultimately wants to be seen as the voice of the people (he very much is not.....at least I really hope so).

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Hes a nasty repugnant troll. How he managed to rehabilitate himself after being sacked as the editor of the mirror when they published faked photos of soldiers abusing prisoners I’ll never know.
 
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