BjorgenFjorgen
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Holy moly
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Hollywood
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Mather
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That's alotta cheddar.
Hollywood
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The Minnesota Wild are buying out defenseman Ryan Suter and forward Zach Parise, the team announced Tuesday.
The pair signed matching 13-year, $98-million contracts as free agents in 2012 - both of which contained full no-movement clauses. The buyouts will go as follows:
More to come.
The pair signed matching 13-year, $98-million contracts as free agents in 2012 - both of which contained full no-movement clauses. The buyouts will go as follows:
More to come.
BjorgenFjorgen
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Would be funny as hell if it turns out that Suter would sign in Edmonton the day after the Keith trade. I know who I'd rather have at this stage.
Hollywood
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In 2017, Vegas Golden Knights general manager George McPhee took full advantage of the expansion draft rules, making several side deals that immediately helped establish his team among the NHL's elite.
While most GMs have likely learned that it might be best to let an expansion team take one player instead of giving a new club multiple assets, there's still a handful of franchises for which side deals make sense. And Seattle Kraken GM Ron Francis is surely licking his chops at the prospect of fleecing a few teams the way McPhee did.
Below, we examine three clubs that might be eager to work out a handshake agreement with the Kraken ahead of the July 21 expansion draft.
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Objective: Get rid of Tyler Johnson
Everyone is aware of the Lightning's cap crunch. It was temporarily alleviated this season with Nikita Kucherov landing on LTIR, but Tampa is in a bind once again. The defending champions will enter the offseason sitting nearly $5 million over the ceiling, according to CapFriendly.
The best way for the Lightning to get under the cap is to get rid of Tyler Johnson's contract, which carries a $5-million AAV through 2024. But that won't be easy after the 30-year-old went unclaimed on waivers before the start of the 2020-21 campaign - his worst NHL season. Plus, Tampa's protection list will leave several other valuable assets exposed.
The Bolts are likely going the 4-4-1 route, protecting the following:
* indicates no-movement clause
This format would leave Johnson, Ondrej Palat, Yanni Gourde, and Alex Killorn exposed up front - Blake Coleman and Barclay Goodrow are pending unrestricted free agents - while 2017 first-rounder Cal Foote would be available on defense.
Johnson's contract is the only undesirable one of the bunch, meaning the Kraken will be in the driver's seat for any side deal involving him.
In exchange for taking Johnson, Seattle could ask for the Lightning's first-round pick in 2022 or a player (likely Foote, Palat, or Killorn) and a 2021 third-round pick. Either deal would seem to benefit both sides, though it's possible the Kraken could demand even more.
Johnson would fit nicely with Seattle. Not only is he a native of Spokane, Washington, but he's also certainly capable of a bounce-back season in a more prominent role. The Kraken need to reach the cap floor and will have difficulty securing quality centers in the expansion draft.
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Objective: Protect Ryan Graves
Avalanche general manager Joe Sakic has built such a deep and talented roster that it's almost a foregone conclusion Colorado will lose a valuable piece in expansion. Fortunately, Erik Johnson is widely expected to waive his no-movement clause. The veteran defender has two years left on his deal at $6 million per season and missed all but four games in 2020-21 due to a concussion.
Here's how the Avalanche's projected protection list shakes out:
This scheme would leave Joonas Donskoi, J.T. Compher, and Ryan Graves as the most valuable assets available to the Kraken. Colorado surely doesn't want to lose Graves - young, affordable, 6-foot-5 defensemen don't grow on trees. But going 4-4-1 and exposing a valuable forward to protect the 26-year-old seems out of the question.
The Avalanche could offer Donskoi, Compher, and one of their many prospects (perhaps someone like Sampo Ranta) to keep the Kraken from choosing Graves. Seattle would get two proven NHL forwards and a prospect, while Colorado would clear cap space and keep a valuable defenseman. It could be a win-win.
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Objective: Get rid of Ryan Johansen or Matt Duchene
The Predators appear to be entering a transition period after shipping Viktor Arvidsson to the Los Angeles Kings for a pair of draft picks. GM David Poile was poised to be a deadline seller this past season before changing course amid his team's red-hot second half.
Nashville's two underachieving, high-priced centers have played big roles in the team's inability to get over the hump over the last two seasons. Ryan Johansen, 28, is signed for four more years with an $8-million annual cap hit and has 58 points in his last 116 games. Matt Duchene, 30, is signed for five more years at $8 million per season and has 55 points in 100 games since joining the Predators.
Poile would surely love to get one of those big contracts off his books, but it won't be easy. Nashville's protection list projects as follows:
This setup leaves forward Calle Jarnkrok, who has one year left on his deal, as the most desirable exposed asset.
Nashville could perhaps offer Seattle a package of Fabbro, Jarnkrok, and one of its two 2021 second-round picks to take Duchene or Johansen. Fabbro, a 2016 first-round selection, seemingly fell out of favor with the Predators this postseason when they scratched him for the entirety of their first-round series against the Carolina Hurricanes. But the 23-year-old right-handed blue-liner could still become a valuable building block for the Kraken.
While most GMs have likely learned that it might be best to let an expansion team take one player instead of giving a new club multiple assets, there's still a handful of franchises for which side deals make sense. And Seattle Kraken GM Ron Francis is surely licking his chops at the prospect of fleecing a few teams the way McPhee did.
Below, we examine three clubs that might be eager to work out a handshake agreement with the Kraken ahead of the July 21 expansion draft.
Tampa Bay Lightning
Objective: Get rid of Tyler Johnson
Everyone is aware of the Lightning's cap crunch. It was temporarily alleviated this season with Nikita Kucherov landing on LTIR, but Tampa is in a bind once again. The defending champions will enter the offseason sitting nearly $5 million over the ceiling, according to CapFriendly.
The best way for the Lightning to get under the cap is to get rid of Tyler Johnson's contract, which carries a $5-million AAV through 2024. But that won't be easy after the 30-year-old went unclaimed on waivers before the start of the 2020-21 campaign - his worst NHL season. Plus, Tampa's protection list will leave several other valuable assets exposed.
The Bolts are likely going the 4-4-1 route, protecting the following:
| POS. | PLAYER |
|---|---|
| F | Nikita Kucherov* |
| F | Brayden Point |
| F | Steven Stamkos* |
| F | Anthony Cirelli |
| D | Victor Hedman* |
| D | Ryan McDonagh |
| D | Mikhail Sergachev |
| D | Erik Cernak |
| G | Andrei Vasilevskiy |
This format would leave Johnson, Ondrej Palat, Yanni Gourde, and Alex Killorn exposed up front - Blake Coleman and Barclay Goodrow are pending unrestricted free agents - while 2017 first-rounder Cal Foote would be available on defense.
Johnson's contract is the only undesirable one of the bunch, meaning the Kraken will be in the driver's seat for any side deal involving him.
In exchange for taking Johnson, Seattle could ask for the Lightning's first-round pick in 2022 or a player (likely Foote, Palat, or Killorn) and a 2021 third-round pick. Either deal would seem to benefit both sides, though it's possible the Kraken could demand even more.
Johnson would fit nicely with Seattle. Not only is he a native of Spokane, Washington, but he's also certainly capable of a bounce-back season in a more prominent role. The Kraken need to reach the cap floor and will have difficulty securing quality centers in the expansion draft.
Colorado Avalanche
Objective: Protect Ryan Graves
Avalanche general manager Joe Sakic has built such a deep and talented roster that it's almost a foregone conclusion Colorado will lose a valuable piece in expansion. Fortunately, Erik Johnson is widely expected to waive his no-movement clause. The veteran defender has two years left on his deal at $6 million per season and missed all but four games in 2020-21 due to a concussion.
Here's how the Avalanche's projected protection list shakes out:
| POS. | PLAYER |
|---|---|
| F | Nathan MacKinnon |
| F | Mikko Rantanen |
| F | Gabriel Landeskog |
| F | Nazem Kadri |
| F | Andre Burakovsky |
| F | Tyson Jost |
| F | Valeri Nichushkin |
| D | Cale Makar |
| D | Devon Toews |
| D | Samuel Girard |
| G | Philipp Grubauer |
The Avalanche could offer Donskoi, Compher, and one of their many prospects (perhaps someone like Sampo Ranta) to keep the Kraken from choosing Graves. Seattle would get two proven NHL forwards and a prospect, while Colorado would clear cap space and keep a valuable defenseman. It could be a win-win.
Nashville Predators
Objective: Get rid of Ryan Johansen or Matt Duchene
The Predators appear to be entering a transition period after shipping Viktor Arvidsson to the Los Angeles Kings for a pair of draft picks. GM David Poile was poised to be a deadline seller this past season before changing course amid his team's red-hot second half.
Nashville's two underachieving, high-priced centers have played big roles in the team's inability to get over the hump over the last two seasons. Ryan Johansen, 28, is signed for four more years with an $8-million annual cap hit and has 58 points in his last 116 games. Matt Duchene, 30, is signed for five more years at $8 million per season and has 55 points in 100 games since joining the Predators.
Poile would surely love to get one of those big contracts off his books, but it won't be easy. Nashville's protection list projects as follows:
| POS. | PLAYER |
|---|---|
| F | Filip Forsberg |
| F | Colton Sissons |
| F | Luke Kunin |
| D | Roman Josi* |
| D | Ryan Ellis |
| D | Mattias Ekholm |
| D | Dante Fabbro |
| D | Alexandre Carrier |
| G | Juuse Saros |
Nashville could perhaps offer Seattle a package of Fabbro, Jarnkrok, and one of its two 2021 second-round picks to take Duchene or Johansen. Fabbro, a 2016 first-round selection, seemingly fell out of favor with the Predators this postseason when they scratched him for the entirety of their first-round series against the Carolina Hurricanes. But the 23-year-old right-handed blue-liner could still become a valuable building block for the Kraken.
Twentytwo
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Sad Nashville never won that cup for him. He was a super human being and a damn fine goalie.
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Probably some of the worst contracts in history of the sports. Glad the NHL outlawed these type of deals.
As much as I want to imagine Seattle is going to make out like thieves next week, I am skeptical. Vegas’ first year run has taught many GMs, as the article notes. Hopefully we can build a foundational core that we can build upon over the years. Will be interesting to see the final lists and Seattle’s selections.In 2017, Vegas Golden Knights general manager George McPhee took full advantage of the expansion draft rules, making several side deals that immediately helped establish his team among the NHL's elite.
While most GMs have likely learned that it might be best to let an expansion team take one player instead of giving a new club multiple assets, there's still a handful of franchises for which side deals make sense. And Seattle Kraken GM Ron Francis is surely licking his chops at the prospect of fleecing a few teams the way McPhee did.
Below, we examine three clubs that might be eager to work out a handshake agreement with the Kraken ahead of the July 21 expansion draft.
Tampa Bay Lightning
Icon Sportswire / Icon Sportswire / Getty
Objective: Get rid of Tyler Johnson
Everyone is aware of the Lightning's cap crunch. It was temporarily alleviated this season with Nikita Kucherov landing on LTIR, but Tampa is in a bind once again. The defending champions will enter the offseason sitting nearly $5 million over the ceiling, according to CapFriendly.
The best way for the Lightning to get under the cap is to get rid of Tyler Johnson's contract, which carries a $5-million AAV through 2024. But that won't be easy after the 30-year-old went unclaimed on waivers before the start of the 2020-21 campaign - his worst NHL season. Plus, Tampa's protection list will leave several other valuable assets exposed.
The Bolts are likely going the 4-4-1 route, protecting the following:
* indicates no-movement clause
POS. PLAYER F Nikita Kucherov* F Brayden Point F Steven Stamkos* F Anthony Cirelli D Victor Hedman* D Ryan McDonagh D Mikhail Sergachev D Erik Cernak G Andrei Vasilevskiy
This format would leave Johnson, Ondrej Palat, Yanni Gourde, and Alex Killorn exposed up front - Blake Coleman and Barclay Goodrow are pending unrestricted free agents - while 2017 first-rounder Cal Foote would be available on defense.
Johnson's contract is the only undesirable one of the bunch, meaning the Kraken will be in the driver's seat for any side deal involving him.
In exchange for taking Johnson, Seattle could ask for the Lightning's first-round pick in 2022 or a player (likely Foote, Palat, or Killorn) and a 2021 third-round pick. Either deal would seem to benefit both sides, though it's possible the Kraken could demand even more.
Johnson would fit nicely with Seattle. Not only is he a native of Spokane, Washington, but he's also certainly capable of a bounce-back season in a more prominent role. The Kraken need to reach the cap floor and will have difficulty securing quality centers in the expansion draft.
Colorado Avalanche
Icon Sportswire / Icon Sportswire / Getty
Objective: Protect Ryan Graves
Avalanche general manager Joe Sakic has built such a deep and talented roster that it's almost a foregone conclusion Colorado will lose a valuable piece in expansion. Fortunately, Erik Johnson is widely expected to waive his no-movement clause. The veteran defender has two years left on his deal at $6 million per season and missed all but four games in 2020-21 due to a concussion.
Here's how the Avalanche's projected protection list shakes out:
This scheme would leave Joonas Donskoi, J.T. Compher, and Ryan Graves as the most valuable assets available to the Kraken. Colorado surely doesn't want to lose Graves - young, affordable, 6-foot-5 defensemen don't grow on trees. But going 4-4-1 and exposing a valuable forward to protect the 26-year-old seems out of the question.
POS. PLAYER F Nathan MacKinnon F Mikko Rantanen F Gabriel Landeskog F Nazem Kadri F Andre Burakovsky F Tyson Jost F Valeri Nichushkin D Cale Makar D Devon Toews D Samuel Girard G Philipp Grubauer
The Avalanche could offer Donskoi, Compher, and one of their many prospects (perhaps someone like Sampo Ranta) to keep the Kraken from choosing Graves. Seattle would get two proven NHL forwards and a prospect, while Colorado would clear cap space and keep a valuable defenseman. It could be a win-win.
Nashville Predators
Jeff Vinnick / Getty Images Sport / Getty
Objective: Get rid of Ryan Johansen or Matt Duchene
The Predators appear to be entering a transition period after shipping Viktor Arvidsson to the Los Angeles Kings for a pair of draft picks. GM David Poile was poised to be a deadline seller this past season before changing course amid his team's red-hot second half.
Nashville's two underachieving, high-priced centers have played big roles in the team's inability to get over the hump over the last two seasons. Ryan Johansen, 28, is signed for four more years with an $8-million annual cap hit and has 58 points in his last 116 games. Matt Duchene, 30, is signed for five more years at $8 million per season and has 55 points in 100 games since joining the Predators.
Poile would surely love to get one of those big contracts off his books, but it won't be easy. Nashville's protection list projects as follows:
This setup leaves forward Calle Jarnkrok, who has one year left on his deal, as the most desirable exposed asset.
POS. PLAYER F Filip Forsberg F Colton Sissons F Luke Kunin D Roman Josi* D Ryan Ellis D Mattias Ekholm D Dante Fabbro D Alexandre Carrier G Juuse Saros
Nashville could perhaps offer Seattle a package of Fabbro, Jarnkrok, and one of its two 2021 second-round picks to take Duchene or Johansen. Fabbro, a 2016 first-round selection, seemingly fell out of favor with the Predators this postseason when they scratched him for the entirety of their first-round series against the Carolina Hurricanes. But the 23-year-old right-handed blue-liner could still become a valuable building block for the Kraken.
Turbo
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I'm thinking that too... surely GMs learned that losing one asset is better than sending a bunch of picks and other assets just to keep that one asset. In fact, a team that will lose a good asset (and has other signed players to make available as per the rules) is better off trading that asset first to a team that can protect it instead of losing it for nothing.
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Nashville will need nothing in return for Seattle taking Johnansen or Duchene I promise.
Turbo
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Of course, that's different. Any team with bad contracts will not protect those players and at least hope (unless that bad contract includes a NMC, LOL).
Twentytwo
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I can see Poile giving away a lot for Seattle to take Johansen or Duchene and I am not ok with that. If it is still a bad contract in a few years, just buy them out. Poile couldn't find a consistent center at the World Cup.
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Nashville Predators
Jeff Vinnick / Getty Images Sport / Getty
Objective: Get rid of Ryan Johansen or Matt Duchene
The Predators appear to be entering a transition period after shipping Viktor Arvidsson to the Los Angeles Kings for a pair of draft picks. GM David Poile was poised to be a deadline seller this past season before changing course amid his team's red-hot second half.
Nashville's two underachieving, high-priced centers have played big roles in the team's inability to get over the hump over the last two seasons. Ryan Johansen, 28, is signed for four more years with an $8-million annual cap hit and has 58 points in his last 116 games. Matt Duchene, 30, is signed for five more years at $8 million per season and has 55 points in 100 games since joining the Predators.
Poile would surely love to get one of those big contracts off his books, but it won't be easy. Nashville's protection list projects as follows:
This setup leaves forward Calle Jarnkrok, who has one year left on his deal, as the most desirable exposed asset.
POS. PLAYER F Filip Forsberg F Colton Sissons F Luke Kunin D Roman Josi* D Ryan Ellis D Mattias Ekholm D Dante Fabbro D Alexandre Carrier G Juuse Saros
Nashville could perhaps offer Seattle a package of Fabbro, Jarnkrok, and one of its two 2021 second-round picks to take Duchene or Johansen. Fabbro, a 2016 first-round selection, seemingly fell out of favor with the Predators this postseason when they scratched him for the entirety of their first-round series against the Carolina Hurricanes. But the 23-year-old right-handed blue-liner could still become a valuable building block for the Kraken.
This protection list is probably right, but I would protect Calle over Sissons even though Sissons has more term left on his deal.
Hollywood
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Hockey insiders seem to think the one player left unprotected, and who Seattle may pick is Paul Byron.
Hollywood
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Ho many years left on those contracts?