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I started Euphoria last night - just the first episode so far. @Bennnnn - I see where you are coming from. It isn't bugging me as much though. I think it is a fairly accurate depiction of addiction and being a teenager in the time of social media. Yes, some of the scenes are hard to watch, but also, like Woob said, nothing new to me. Which is sad, but if it takes a TV show to wake up more people to that reality, then I'm for it.

Zendaya is killing it! I honestly can't think of anything else I've seen her in so I can't compare to her other performances, but she is very talented! The music is great too. I'll watch the next episode and decide after that if I'll keep going.

She's in the new Spider Man movies. I saw the latest one in the theater, and then watched my first episode of Euphoria later that night. Two totally different characters for her, but, yeah, I'm really impressed with her performance.
 
@Teeeee There is also a Spotify playlist for the show that I started following. It is missing a couple of tunes, namely one from the opening sequence of episode 4 that I've had stuck in my head for over a week now. The song is from Labrinth, who has a few other tracks on the show and in this playlist, but they haven't added that one song yet for some reason. I think there is an Apple Music playlist out there too for those interested, but I think this one is more comprehensive, and they do appear to be updating it as the show progresses.

 
@Teeeee There is also a Spotify playlist for the show that I started following. It is missing a couple of tunes, namely one from the opening sequence of episode 4 that I've had stuck in my head for over a week now. The song is from Labrinth, who has a few other tracks on the show and in this playlist, but they haven't added that one song yet for some reason. I think there is an Apple Music playlist out there too for those interested, but I think this one is more comprehensive, and they do appear to be updating it as the show progresses.


Also missing Santigold - Run the Road from this past Sunday's episode.
 
At some point after the show I'll probably make my own playlist from that Spotify one. The harder rap tracks don't bother me so much within the context of the show, but they aren't something I really want to listen to while working. I dig the dreamier/hazy/druggy sounding pop and hip-hop stuff though while I'm on the job. Keeps the stress levels down.
 
Emmy Nominations are in!


Schitt's Creek getting some love

This is the Emmy voters' equivalent of discovering the show, binging it, then suddenly recommending it to everyone while acting like they've been watching it since season 1. But I'm all for it! (Given the competition, I wouldn't want it to win, but I like it being recognized.)
 
At some point after the show I'll probably make my own playlist from that Spotify one. The harder rap tracks don't bother me so much within the context of the show, but they aren't something I really want to listen to while working. I dig the dreamier/hazy/druggy sounding pop and hip-hop stuff though while I'm on the job. Keeps the stress levels down.
I'm already working on a more complete and accurate playlist for the show...I still have a few tweaks and then I'll post it here and update after each new episode if you all want to avoid the work.
 
I'm already working on a more complete and accurate playlist for the show...I still have a few tweaks and then I'll post it here and update after each new episode if you all want to avoid the work.

That's cool. I've been looking for that one Labrinth song from episode 4, but, from what I've seen, he hasn't added it to his page yet. I read somewhere that he typically posts the new tracks the day after the show airs, but, this was over a week ago. Sounds like a lot of people are wanting this one song like I am.
 
But why does "happy enjoyment" have to be the reason to watch anything? Maybe feeling "gross and depressed" is the draw of the show, not a flaw of it. Maybe you're having the exact reaction they hope for you to have.

I think they're doing a fantastic job of exploring all of the topics you list. All the more so Without having to rely on 7th heaven esque conversations. These characters don't realize how fucked up their current predicaments are because they are kids. Of course the scenes are depicting rape and abuse. We, as the audience, can see that, but they are too wrapped up in that teenage selfishness to come to terms with it. These are the stories they'll look back on in 10 years and wonder "what the hell was I thinking?".

In the case of Jules, she's instigating the hookups, not informing anyone she's underage, and (in her own unfortunate justifications) finds enjoyment (or at least an equivalent emotion that she is seeking) in it. Why would she weep on anyone's shoulder about all the times she's been raped, if she doesn't view it that way herself? We feel for her because we want to help and save her, but she doesn't want our help. I think that was addressed very well in episode 4 with her convo with Cal. It took that storyline in a more nuanced direction than I had been expecting.

Reading through a lot of online reactions to the show, it is interesting to see where the divide often falls for this show. People who had, in some way, similar stories spreading through their high school seem to be much more enthralled with the show than those that did not. I was taken aback by those that disparaged the show as laughably exaggerated and not remotely what high school was actually like. I had always assumed that I went to a pretty stereotypical suburban school, but I don't know. It's made me think that maybe it was more fucked up than others.

I'm with you that it's a very disconcerning show to watch. It keeps me up, thinking about the endless list of situations I pray my daughters never find themselves in. But I don't think it's a bad show because it's a depressing show.
I’m not suggesting you have feel happy enjoyment for a show to be good. There are many things I love where the end goal is not to make you feel happy. The feeling of dread or depressing situations can make for incredible pieces of art. Something that can make you feel uncomfortable can be powerful. As a bad example, there’s the ending of Twin Peaks, or even the whole film Fire Walk With Me. I watch those things and feel that overwhelming sense of dread, but it doesn’t stop me from enjoying it. In fact, in those cases it’s part of why I love it.

I don’t think Euphoria is one of those shows that gets it right cause it’s not doing it in any way that means anything beyond surface level shock. I am reminded of another thing that thoroughly depressed me, which is Requiem For A Dream. I find that film very difficult and unenjoyable, but I think that’s the point. And I think its points being made are well executed. Here, it doesn’t feel that way. Euphoria wants to be two different shows, but that push-pull results in messiness, from both a general tv viewing point and a critical one. It looks visually appealing, but its visuals are enhancing traumatic situations, almost to the point of glamorizing them, which I know people will disagree with but whatever. Never mind the fact that these are all supposed to be teens, so it feels almost voyeuristic and weird for adults to watch the highly sexualized scenes and get some enjoyment out of them. Yet, this doesn’t feel like a show made for teens. I struggle with seeing what the appeal is for either audience, or whoever is the target audience.

I also am not suggesting it needs to have a moment of sincerity necessarily, where characters are sat down and told by their parents or other adults how their decisions are bad or something. That’s not this show, and generally not something I want to see in a show. I just feel the show isn’t making any points other than “hey teens are fucked up.” That’s a problem to me cause it’s tired and dumb. And I do genuinely get the sense that the creator and writers and whatnot are giddy about showing the depraved scenes, which leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It doesn’t seem to be coming from a place of genuine concern or understanding or curiosity, but instead a place of just desperation and depression. And to have the tone and messaging be so off base when it comes to these very real and very serious issues is a bad look. A montage of statuary rape shouldn’t just be thrown into a show with no real weight put behind it. And no consideration at how awful it is.

It’s insane to me that a show like 13 Reasons Why can get people up in arms over the belief that it’s glorifying suicide (which I do not believe), but when it comes to Euphoria people are defending this? This? They are very different shows, each unique in a way and over dramatic in their own ways. I would never argue to suggest 13 reasons why is a good show. It has bad acting, a messiness itself, dumb situations, but it remains consistently watchable. And let me just give them credit here for a second, because when you get to the end of season one and have to watch Hannah’s rape scene, it is really tough. It made me feel horrible. But I would say it wasn’t glamorizing it, or presenting it in a non-realistic way. The acting, the shot composition, the lead up to the event itself...this is why it works. Euphoria has none of that. It’s stylization on top of rape, which is, sorry, a really fucked up way to present these scenes. And I am baffled that people can watch that and get enjoyment out of it, and then defend it.

The result of me feeling awful while watching this show isn’t just the situations themselves. I’ve seen worse. It’s the presentation of those situations. It’s the gross feeling of someone getting away with something that bothers me, and by someone I mean both creator and audience. The dead-eyed emptiness (coupled with the visual flair of a music video) of the show’s mood as it cycles through unpleasant event after unpleasant event does not make for good tv in my eyes. It’s not toeing a line between so over the top it’s fun or funny, nor is it rich in substantive material. Instead, it feels just empty. Beautiful emptiness, sometimes, but emptiness nonetheless. And this isn’t even considering all the other issues with the show, such as dialogue, storylines, story writing, a lame voice over narrative device that doesn’t really make sense, irritating bits of some songs (not sure the songs), and a lack of true characterization. Summing up a person’s personality at the beginnings of the episodes is not character development. It’s lazy. And within individual scenes with characters, it often feels like there aren’t real people present. No body feels real, or even like a character. With the exception of a few here in there.

The addiction storyline could be great, if they bothered to really dive deeper into that. The Jules and Rue relationship could be great too, if there was more of a focus there, with more fleshing out. The drug dealer and Rue’s relationship is interesting, Rue looking out for her sister is interesting. There’s a decent show in here. But at the same time, it’s far from it.

And that’s that. I have my opinion, which is an unpopular one. But that’s okay. I think I’ve said much of what’s been on my mind, and I’ll just leave it there.
 
In other news

Someone hacked into my Netflix account, changing the password and email address so I was completely locked out. Had to call Netflix and sort it all out. How did it happen? No fucking clue.
 
In other news

Someone hacked into my Netflix account, changing the password and email address so I was completely locked out. Had to call Netflix and sort it all out. How did it happen? No fucking clue.
I accidentally left my Netflix logged into an AirBnB I stayed at and have noticed that some shows have been watched that I obviously haven't watched. It's nothing too crazy, hopefully no one gets a hold of my account like they did yours. But, with the sharing of passwords and whatnot, there should be a "log me out of all devices" option if you all of a sudden want to remove access or remove access for individual devices.
 
"Barry" has 3 actors up against each other in the Best Supporting Actor category, and each of them deserves it. Gotta go with Anthony Carrigan as NoHo Hank though. I think Henry Winkler won last year, or maybe that was the Golden Globe. In any case, Carrigan is such a wonderful scene stealer in that show.
 
I’m not suggesting you have feel happy enjoyment for a show to be good. There are many things I love where the end goal is not to make you feel happy. The feeling of dread or depressing situations can make for incredible pieces of art. Something that can make you feel uncomfortable can be powerful. As a bad example, there’s the ending of Twin Peaks, or even the whole film Fire Walk With Me. I watch those things and feel that overwhelming sense of dread, but it doesn’t stop me from enjoying it. In fact, in those cases it’s part of why I love it.

I don’t think Euphoria is one of those shows that gets it right cause it’s not doing it in any way that means anything beyond surface level shock. I am reminded of another thing that thoroughly depressed me, which is Requiem For A Dream. I find that film very difficult and unenjoyable, but I think that’s the point. And I think its points being made are well executed. Here, it doesn’t feel that way. Euphoria wants to be two different shows, but that push-pull results in messiness, from both a general tv viewing point and a critical one. It looks visually appealing, but its visuals are enhancing traumatic situations, almost to the point of glamorizing them, which I know people will disagree with but whatever. Never mind the fact that these are all supposed to be teens, so it feels almost voyeuristic and weird for adults to watch the highly sexualized scenes and get some enjoyment out of them. Yet, this doesn’t feel like a show made for teens. I struggle with seeing what the appeal is for either audience, or whoever is the target audience.

I also am not suggesting it needs to have a moment of sincerity necessarily, where characters are sat down and told by their parents or other adults how their decisions are bad or something. That’s not this show, and generally not something I want to see in a show. I just feel the show isn’t making any points other than “hey teens are fucked up.” That’s a problem to me cause it’s tired and dumb. And I do genuinely get the sense that the creator and writers and whatnot are giddy about showing the depraved scenes, which leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It doesn’t seem to be coming from a place of genuine concern or understanding or curiosity, but instead a place of just desperation and depression. And to have the tone and messaging be so off base when it comes to these very real and very serious issues is a bad look. A montage of statuary rape shouldn’t just be thrown into a show with no real weight put behind it. And no consideration at how awful it is.

It’s insane to me that a show like 13 Reasons Why can get people up in arms over the belief that it’s glorifying suicide (which I do not believe), but when it comes to Euphoria people are defending this? This? They are very different shows, each unique in a way and over dramatic in their own ways. I would never argue to suggest 13 reasons why is a good show. It has bad acting, a messiness itself, dumb situations, but it remains consistently watchable. And let me just give them credit here for a second, because when you get to the end of season one and have to watch Hannah’s rape scene, it is really tough. It made me feel horrible. But I would say it wasn’t glamorizing it, or presenting it in a non-realistic way. The acting, the shot composition, the lead up to the event itself...this is why it works. Euphoria has none of that. It’s stylization on top of rape, which is, sorry, a really fucked up way to present these scenes. And I am baffled that people can watch that and get enjoyment out of it, and then defend it.

The result of me feeling awful while watching this show isn’t just the situations themselves. I’ve seen worse. It’s the presentation of those situations. It’s the gross feeling of someone getting away with something that bothers me, and by someone I mean both creator and audience. The dead-eyed emptiness (coupled with the visual flair of a music video) of the show’s mood as it cycles through unpleasant event after unpleasant event does not make for good tv in my eyes. It’s not toeing a line between so over the top it’s fun or funny, nor is it rich in substantive material. Instead, it feels just empty. Beautiful emptiness, sometimes, but emptiness nonetheless. And this isn’t even considering all the other issues with the show, such as dialogue, storylines, story writing, a lame voice over narrative device that doesn’t really make sense, irritating bits of some songs (not sure the songs), and a lack of true characterization. Summing up a person’s personality at the beginnings of the episodes is not character development. It’s lazy. And within individual scenes with characters, it often feels like there aren’t real people present. No body feels real, or even like a character. With the exception of a few here in there.

The addiction storyline could be great, if they bothered to really dive deeper into that. The Jules and Rue relationship could be great too, if there was more of a focus there, with more fleshing out. The drug dealer and Rue’s relationship is interesting, Rue looking out for her sister is interesting. There’s a decent show in here. But at the same time, it’s far from it.

And that’s that. I have my opinion, which is an unpopular one. But that’s okay. I think I’ve said much of what’s been on my mind, and I’ll just leave it there.

It seems like you're wanting these scenes to depict how You feel watching them, and not how the characters feel in these situations. I wholeheartedly disagree with the assessment that Jule's montage had no weight behind it. I'm also not sure you believe that. You seem to very clearly and concisely understand exactly what was so horrifying in that montage. Why is it, that everyone else watching wouldn't see that? That more sounds like projecting how you think other people are reacting to the scene, and being displeased with a population's reaction that doesn't actually exist. Please do post if I've missed it, but I haven't seen a single person claim that was a loving depiction of consensual one night stands. As I said in my previous post, Jules wants these interactions to take place. The visual flourishes are to get you to feel how she does in these moments.

If this is considered personal than by no means don't answer it, but from a general standpoint, does this remind you of what high school was like? I was far far to boring (Thank fucking god) for anything other than an extra sitting in the corner of one of those parties, but boy I could pull out a year book and place names, to some degree, for every main character. You say "empty" as an insult to the show. I say that's teenagers. They are depraved, malicious, extremely loyal to friends....until they need to ditch said friends because they're trying to get their own thing done. They constantly get themselves deeper and deeper into a bad situation always thinking they have the upperhand when they never did to begin with. And more often than not there are no consequences, punishments, comeuppances I don't know if a depiction of high school that feels real can be decried as exploitative.

As for the target audience, I'm really not sure. You would think that any one the age of these characters would have to rely on their parents accounts to watch it. But then again, would I really rather them watch Riverdale for an example of what high school is like? A part of me wishes this show existed (or shows closer to this style) back when I was heading into high school. I think shows like Dawson's Creek did far more harm to what the image of young love is than this ever could.

Bottom line, I think I do agree with a lot of your readings of who the characters are, and what they're going through. I just disagree with your conclusions. Though I don't think Sam Levinson is some vile creature trying to get one over on a creepy or voyeuristic audience. Also, I really like the narration and intros to each episode. It personally reminds me of Six Feet Under.

Let me know if there's any specific scene or character you wanted to discuss. I do find it it can be more rewarding to talk about a show with someone who views it very differently, otherwise you can have a stitled conversation along the lines of: "Isn't that show great" "oh yea!" "and that character rules" "totally".
 
Best Supporting Actress category is loaded. I've heard great things about "Fleabag", which has two actresses nominated, and then you have Betty Gilpin who is fantastic in "GLOW", Sarah Goldberg who is great in "Barry", and Anna Chlumsky from "Veep". Two actresses from "The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel" and Kate McKinnon from SNL. That's a talented group.
 
Best Supporting Actress category is loaded. I've heard great things about "Fleabag", which has two actresses nominated, and then you have Betty Gilpin who is fantastic in "GLOW", Sarah Goldberg who is great in "Barry", and Anna Chlumsky from "Veep". Two actresses from "The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel" and Kate McKinnon from SNL. That's a talented group.
Watch Fleabag immediately! It's only 2 seasons. 10ish episodes each. 30 min episodes.

It is FANTASTIC.

And yes, that is a stacked as heck ballot! 💪
 
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