The Technics Turntable Fan Club - Questions, Advice, Discussion

quick update....moved amp and turntable (both) to another room...with all hooked up no hum.....but....the technics still had that slight crackly hum with the head shell off. Technics finally said that it could be an internal issue. Sending it back for another and we will see.

of note...the AT table did the same thing, but to a much lesser degree. if this was a $350.00 table i could live with that, but it is not.

so will now attack the rack when i have some time...bought a new Furman power strip to replace an old one i was using.
 
Lek said:
quick update....moved amp and turntable (both) to another room...with all hooked up no hum.....but....the technics still had that slight crackly hum with the head shell off. Technics finally said that it could be an internal issue. Sending it back for another and we will see.

of note...the AT table did the same thing, but to a much lesser degree. if this was a $350.00 table i could live with that, but it is not.

so will now attack the rack when i have some time...bought a new Furman power strip to replace an old one i was using.
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Just curious…. Why would one ever have a turntable powered on without a headshell attached?
 
good question...actually it was powered off but amp was powered on...if i am not mistaken, it should be a closed circuit without a head-shell on if all is grounded...which in the test, it was. So, it should not hum...no?
 
Slimwhit33 said:
Just curious…. Why would one ever have a turntable powered on without a headshell attached?
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The signal down the tonearm would come regardless of power because the power is powering the motor rather than the tonearm which is getting its signal from the cartridge generator. So once the phono stage is on you’d get that regardless of the turntable being powered on I’d imagine because the ground the the amp is grounding the tonearm tube itself?
 
ok...been busy, but new table came back about two weeks ago, well the replacement table and all is working perfectly..as it should be, YAY!.

the ground loop?...tore it all down, replaced one of the power strips with an upgrade with filter and such and all seems to be fixed...no idea what was causing it, maybe the older power strip?, but no matter as all is good. Thanks for the help and advice.

now, on to head shells and cartridges.....lol
 
Great comparison review of the GR2, 1300G, and 1200G. Also, mentions how the Denon dp3000 compares. Need more reviews like this.

www.hifi-advice.com

Technics Grand Class SL-1200GR2, SL-1300G, and SL-1200G

When several reviewers raved about the Technics Grand Glass models, I was intrigued. Would they really be so different from the classic SL-1210MkII I know so well? And how would the various models compare? So, I set out to compare the SL-1200G, SL-1200GR2, and SL-1300G with the SL-1210MkII.
www.hifi-advice.com www.hifi-advice.com
 
mindhead1 said:
Great comparison review of the GR2, 1300G, and 1200G. Also, mentions how the Denon dp3000 compares. Need more reviews like this.

www.hifi-advice.com

Technics Grand Class SL-1200GR2, SL-1300G, and SL-1200G

When several reviewers raved about the Technics Grand Glass models, I was intrigued. Would they really be so different from the classic SL-1210MkII I know so well? And how would the various models compare? So, I set out to compare the SL-1200G, SL-1200GR2, and SL-1300G with the SL-1210MkII.
www.hifi-advice.com www.hifi-advice.com
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Very nice review.
He's not the first one to say the 1200G punches up with the >$10k tables.

It's definitely a table you can build a system around and it keeps up with the highest quality components as you upgrade. Neutral and resolving are good descriptors.
 
ngower said:
I really hope the tariffs don't fuck up my plan to buy a 1200G this year. Because at ~$4k it's steep. At like $8k, it's out of my price range.
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Yes - tariffs will fuck up your plan.

Just purchased a laptop tonight to replace my old HP because … China.

Consider pre-owned.
 
ngower said:
I really hope the tariffs don't fuck up my plan to buy a 1200G this year. Because at ~$4k it's steep. At like $8k, it's out of my price range.
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It might be more, but it wouldn't be that much. Tariffs are paid on the transaction price based on the country or origin, so we're looking at the distributor price.
$4300 retail, probably $2100 distributor cost. And made in Malaysia, which is set at 24%. That's a tariff of $504/unit. Assuming the distributor and dealers pass all of that cost onto the consumer (they will likely absorb some to minimize sales hits), then we are looking at basically $4,800 retail. That's also only on new imports. Anything that has already passed the ports is good to go, so this means if we have a year supply in the US already, price increases could be avoided for a full year (or until the tariffs are dropped/compromised).


This is also why country of origin matters. If the 1200G was made in China, the tariffs would be closer to $1,400 because of the now 67% tariffs.

This is also the issue with the tariff plan. Trump's pitch assumes that this will inspire companies to move to the US. But between our land prices, labor pricing, and business tax laws, it would actually be much more affordable to go to somewhere with a 10% import rate. This is also why Trump put tariffs on uninhabited islands. If there was an island that escaped the tariffs, they'd probably have low skill manufacturing set up overnight.

*My numbers might not be exact, but my point stands.
 
displayname said:
It might be more, but it wouldn't be that much. Tariffs are paid on the transaction price based on the country or origin, so we're looking at the distributor price.
$4300 retail, probably $2100 distributor cost. And made in Malaysia, which is set at 24%. That's a tariff of $504/unit. Assuming the distributor and dealers pass all of that cost onto the consumer (they will likely absorb some to minimize sales hits), then we are looking at basically $4,800 retail. That's also only on new imports. Anything that has already passed the ports is good to go, so this means if we have a year supply in the US already, price increases could be avoided for a full year (or until the tariffs are dropped/compromised).


This is also why country of origin matters. If the 1200G was made in China, the tariffs would be closer to $1,400 because of the now 67% tariffs.

This is also the issue with the tariff plan. Trump's pitch assumes that this will inspire companies to move to the US. But between our land prices, labor pricing, and business tax laws, it would actually be much more affordable to go to somewhere with a 10% import rate. This is also why Trump put tariffs on uninhabited islands. If there was an island that escaped the tariffs, they'd probably have low skill manufacturing set up overnight.

*My numbers might not be exact, but my point stands.
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Tariffs may not double the price for an individual item, but they can soak up discretionary income. They can spike consumer demand and inflation on existing inventory. They can incite profiteering. All kinds of nasty pricing stuff across supply chains.

I did not accelerate plans to retip my cartridge even though tariffs will likely impact the foreign-made styli and cantilevers. I bought a Swiss watch instead.
 
Angsty said:
Tariffs may not double the price for an individual item, but they can soak up discretionary income. They can spike consumer demand and inflation on existing inventory. They can incite profiteering. All kinds of nasty pricing stuff across supply chains.

I did not accelerate plans to retip my cartridge even though tariffs will likely impact the foreign-made styli and cantilevers. I bought a Swiss watch instead.
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I’m not doing any luxury spending to avoid tariff pricing. It’s luxuries. We don’t NEED any of this stuff.

I have far larger concerns of increasing prices of things I actually need and having adequate cash if layoffs hit during low hiring periods and elevated pricing. Plus there is the concern of sustained elevated pricing post tariffs. Luxury purchasing is just not a priority now.
 
ngower said:
I really hope the tariffs don't fuck up my plan to buy a 1200G this year. Because at ~$4k it's steep. At like $8k, it's out of my price range.
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There's very little that goes wrong with these. Almost zero as long as nothing is wrong coming out of the factory.
A well taken care of used table could be your best way to get in on one.

Of course higher new prices could drive up used similar to the car market since COVID.
 
Jbraswell said:
There's very little that goes wrong with these. Almost zero as long as nothing is wrong coming out of the factory.
A well taken care of used table could be your best way to get in on one.

Of course higher new prices could drive up used similar to the car market since COVID.
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Ultimately I don't NEED one. My GR is just fine. So I'm fine waiting out Trump's stupid ass market manipulations.

My plan was gonna be to wait for Music Direct to have one of their 15% codes and use that on it, bring it down to like 10% off after taxes, which is basically what its MSRP was a while back.
 
displayname said:
This is also why Trump put tariffs on uninhabited islands. If there was an island that escaped the tariffs, they'd probably have low skill manufacturing set up overnight.
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Manufacturing requires wide infrastructure (water utilities, electricity, transportation) which is extremely difficult to “set up overnight” on uninhabited islands without a labor force. Retaliatory tariffs will hurt US audio manufacturers who heavily depend on exports and US audio dealers who heavily rely on imports.

Even a large percentage of the records I buy are pressed overseas or are pressed using equipment from European manufacturers.
 
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