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I could swear mine came with more than those you listed, a 200, 500 and IK ohm. But no, what you have won't cut it for the EL unfortunately.

It does seem like some older units did indeed ship with more plugs, including an "open" plug that you could insert your own resistors or capacitors into.

I’ll double check my box and see. I took that info from their website. But pretty sure I only remember two pairs of plugs with mine
 
The return of the "Dirty Weekend"

Dirty Weekend Six is a complete platform revamp over the discontinued Omen Dirty Weekend, only the size and famous good looks and tone remain. DW6 is a healthy slice of the fidelity and precision of Union 6 drenched in the warm wet and full tones of Omen. Redesigned from the ground up to satisfy, with noticeably improved resolution, bass through treble, with deeper bass extension and smoother everywhere, keeping that easy going and always likable charm.

Sale goes live September 1, Thursday @ Noon (Mountain)
 
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The return of the "Dirty Weekend"

Dirty Weekend Six is a complete platform revamp over the discontinued Omen Dirty Weekend, only the size and famous good looks and tone remain. DW6 is a healthy slice of the fidelity and precision of Union 6 drenched in the warm wet and full tones of Omen. Redesigned from the ground up to satisfy, with noticeably improved resolution, bass through treble, with deeper bass extension and smoother everywhere, keeping that easy going and always likable charm.

Sale goes live September 1, Thursday @ Noon (Mountain)

*Excludes Linton Owners
 
I debated whether to post this here or in the Technics thread, but since its an opinion on a given piece of equipment, here we are.

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I've just spent 40 hours listening to this table, the only additional setup was installing the KAB damper and dropping on the Funkfirm mat, outside of that, it's stock out of the box. While I was setting this up, that little voice in my head kept asking me "You spent how much on a turntable?", you who's all about "Bang for your buck". I gotta be honest, when I decided to consolidate down to one system, it wasn't an easy choice, but a choice I had to make, and I will say without reservation that the UltraDeck/Hana SL > Manley > PrimaLuna combo will always be my favorite set up, and at times I still miss it. One of the defining aspects of that upheaval was long term cost and simplicity.

The Manley has remained, the PLX gave way to a GR and amp issues forced a move to a Mucial Fidelity M2si. There was some struggle with the system, too many changes, some actual gear problems looming, and some time and effort into optimizing the GR with @HiFi Guy and myself double teaming calibration, geometry and so on, of the GR.............luckily, we hammered that out.

I was completely content at that point with the system, the question became, what cartridge/s to use, again, leaning on "Bang for your buck". A few unexpected things happened in the span of a week that brought in some unexpected funds to my "hobby" account, not just a couple of bucks, but enough to prompt a "Wow! What am I going to do with this?" The purchase of the GR was always a compromise, not a bad one, but a compromise non the less, it was a move up from the PLX and still within the budget I set for my single system. But now, a window opened and the G was a possibility. If I didn't take the opportunity now, I probably wouldn't, or most likely, couldn't later.

$4000 isn't in most peoples budget for a turntable, it's not in most peoples budget for a system, I understand that. What I wanted to share was my thought about the G and how I was taken a back as I listened to album after album. I was expecting a "difference", the cynic in me kept pumping the breaks to keep me on an even keel. Having the G and GR side by side it's hard to see why there's a $2300 difference, really hard. Once you start using them you can start to "feel" some of the differences and like most items with tiers, cost saving start with materials, it's not a bad thing and probably the least intrusive to the overall output of the item.

I'm not going to go too deep into this, but rather highlight a couple of things that live in the $2300 extra I paid. The G brings out the best in other things, that's the best I can put it. I kept going back and forth with the Opus3 and Hana EL, they both sounded great, better than they have, but what did come through were two things, how amazing the Opus3 sounded now and how the G was now showing the "limitations" of an entry level MC cart. The G also made the Manley a bit more honest, I could hear an audible, not on/off switch, audible, but more than noticeable change in the sound after about 30 minutes when the tubes warmed up, tube life, it is, what it is.

The last thing, and something that still floors me after having the gear I've had, and how many times I've listened to a given album. I'm hearing things from some recording that I never heard before, I feel almost stupid making that comment, but seriously, I was already actively listening, but I felt like a dog who's ears perked up because it heard something. I stated 40 hours because I just kept going back for more, what other album could I throw on the platter and be not only excited about the sound quality, but anything I might have been missing all these years. There are other aspects, materials, small aesthetic changes, but this is the "meat and potato's" of it.

The G has been an experience. Was it worth the additional $2300? It was for me, at this moment. It is "end game" and that honestly makes me really happy. I love gear, probably always will, but I don't feel the need to look any further, I know, I know, famous last words, but honestly, this one piece of gear has given me some "Calm". With all that said, it takes nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing away from other turntables. If you're looking for a turntable that delivers solid sound quality and you like tinkering (carts), the PLX is hands down the best "Bang for your buck", if your budget can afford a little more, or you want to save for a move up in all facets of that type of turntable, the GR is the way to go. If you can, or you're patient enough to save, or a window of opportunity opens for you, the G is in a class all itself.
 
I debated whether to post this here or in the Technics thread, but since its an opinion on a given piece of equipment, here we are.

View attachment 149199

I've just spent 40 hours listening to this table, the only additional setup was installing the KAB damper and dropping on the Funkfirm mat, outside of that, it's stock out of the box. While I was setting this up, that little voice in my head kept asking me "You spent how much on a turntable?", you who's all about "Bang for your buck". I gotta be honest, when I decided to consolidate down to one system, it wasn't an easy choice, but a choice I had to make, and I will say without reservation that the UltraDeck/Hana SL > Manley > PrimaLuna combo will always be my favorite set up, and at times I still miss it. One of the defining aspects of that upheaval was long term cost and simplicity.

The Manley has remained, the PLX gave way to a GR and amp issues forced a move to a Mucial Fidelity M2si. There was some struggle with the system, too many changes, some actual gear problems looming, and some time and effort into optimizing the GR with @HiFi Guy and myself double teaming calibration, geometry and so on, of the GR.............luckily, we hammered that out.

I was completely content at that point with the system, the question became, what cartridge/s to use, again, leaning on "Bang for your buck". A few unexpected things happened in the span of a week that brought in some unexpected funds to my "hobby" account, not just a couple of bucks, but enough to prompt a "Wow! What am I going to do with this?" The purchase of the GR was always a compromise, not a bad one, but a compromise non the less, it was a move up from the PLX and still within the budget I set for my single system. But now, a window opened and the G was a possibility. If I didn't take the opportunity now, I probably wouldn't, or most likely, couldn't later.

$4000 isn't in most peoples budget for a turntable, it's not in most peoples budget for a system, I understand that. What I wanted to share was my thought about the G and how I was taken a back as I listened to album after album. I was expecting a "difference", the cynic in me kept pumping the breaks to keep me on an even keel. Having the G and GR side by side it's hard to see why there's a $2300 difference, really hard. Once you start using them you can start to "feel" some of the differences and like most items with tiers, cost saving start with materials, it's not a bad thing and probably the least intrusive to the overall output of the item.

I'm not going to go too deep into this, but rather highlight a couple of things that live in the $2300 extra I paid. The G brings out the best in other things, that's the best I can put it. I kept going back and forth with the Opus3 and Hana EL, they both sounded great, better than they have, but what did come through were two things, how amazing the Opus3 sounded now and how the G was now showing the "limitations" of an entry level MC cart. The G also made the Manley a bit more honest, I could hear an audible, not on/off switch, audible, but more than noticeable change in the sound after about 30 minutes when the tubes warmed up, tube life, it is, what it is.

The last thing, and something that still floors me after having the gear I've had, and how many times I've listened to a given album. I'm hearing things from some recording that I never heard before, I feel almost stupid making that comment, but seriously, I was already actively listening, but I felt like a dog who's ears perked up because it heard something. I stated 40 hours because I just kept going back for more, what other album could I throw on the platter and be not only excited about the sound quality, but anything I might have been missing all these years. There are other aspects, materials, small aesthetic changes, but this is the "meat and potato's" of it.

The G has been an experience. Was it worth the additional $2300? It was for me, at this moment. It is "end game" and that honestly makes me really happy. I love gear, probably always will, but I don't feel the need to look any further, I know, I know, famous last words, but honestly, this one piece of gear has given me some "Calm". With all that said, it takes nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing away from other turntables. If you're looking for a turntable that delivers solid sound quality and you like tinkering (carts), the PLX is hands down the best "Bang for your buck", if your budget can afford a little more, or you want to save for a move up in all facets of that type of turntable, the GR is the way to go. If you can, or you're patient enough to save, or a window of opportunity opens for you, the G is in a class all itself.
I got the 1210G about 3 months ago and only did the two things you mention....same mat (Funkfirm) and the KAB damper. I have been nothing but pleased with it.

I knew I was going to get a 1200G (the 1210 wasn't out when I first became interested but I'm glad it got released before I pulled the trigger, as I much prefer the black for my overall look) a few years ago. I held off mostly because I spent about two years away from home (about a year overseas and another year at a U.S. location away from home). I, too, look at price tags like that, and while I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford them, and wonder what I'm dropping all that coin on. The Technics has been affirmation that sometimes you just got take the initial sticker shock in stride because I have found it to be nothing but a joy and will get many years of out of it.
 
I debated whether to post this here or in the Technics thread, but since its an opinion on a given piece of equipment, here we are.

View attachment 149199

I've just spent 40 hours listening to this table, the only additional setup was installing the KAB damper and dropping on the Funkfirm mat, outside of that, it's stock out of the box. While I was setting this up, that little voice in my head kept asking me "You spent how much on a turntable?", you who's all about "Bang for your buck". I gotta be honest, when I decided to consolidate down to one system, it wasn't an easy choice, but a choice I had to make, and I will say without reservation that the UltraDeck/Hana SL > Manley > PrimaLuna combo will always be my favorite set up, and at times I still miss it. One of the defining aspects of that upheaval was long term cost and simplicity.

The Manley has remained, the PLX gave way to a GR and amp issues forced a move to a Mucial Fidelity M2si. There was some struggle with the system, too many changes, some actual gear problems looming, and some time and effort into optimizing the GR with @HiFi Guy and myself double teaming calibration, geometry and so on, of the GR.............luckily, we hammered that out.

I was completely content at that point with the system, the question became, what cartridge/s to use, again, leaning on "Bang for your buck". A few unexpected things happened in the span of a week that brought in some unexpected funds to my "hobby" account, not just a couple of bucks, but enough to prompt a "Wow! What am I going to do with this?" The purchase of the GR was always a compromise, not a bad one, but a compromise non the less, it was a move up from the PLX and still within the budget I set for my single system. But now, a window opened and the G was a possibility. If I didn't take the opportunity now, I probably wouldn't, or most likely, couldn't later.

$4000 isn't in most peoples budget for a turntable, it's not in most peoples budget for a system, I understand that. What I wanted to share was my thought about the G and how I was taken a back as I listened to album after album. I was expecting a "difference", the cynic in me kept pumping the breaks to keep me on an even keel. Having the G and GR side by side it's hard to see why there's a $2300 difference, really hard. Once you start using them you can start to "feel" some of the differences and like most items with tiers, cost saving start with materials, it's not a bad thing and probably the least intrusive to the overall output of the item.

I'm not going to go too deep into this, but rather highlight a couple of things that live in the $2300 extra I paid. The G brings out the best in other things, that's the best I can put it. I kept going back and forth with the Opus3 and Hana EL, they both sounded great, better than they have, but what did come through were two things, how amazing the Opus3 sounded now and how the G was now showing the "limitations" of an entry level MC cart. The G also made the Manley a bit more honest, I could hear an audible, not on/off switch, audible, but more than noticeable change in the sound after about 30 minutes when the tubes warmed up, tube life, it is, what it is.

The last thing, and something that still floors me after having the gear I've had, and how many times I've listened to a given album. I'm hearing things from some recording that I never heard before, I feel almost stupid making that comment, but seriously, I was already actively listening, but I felt like a dog who's ears perked up because it heard something. I stated 40 hours because I just kept going back for more, what other album could I throw on the platter and be not only excited about the sound quality, but anything I might have been missing all these years. There are other aspects, materials, small aesthetic changes, but this is the "meat and potato's" of it.

The G has been an experience. Was it worth the additional $2300? It was for me, at this moment. It is "end game" and that honestly makes me really happy. I love gear, probably always will, but I don't feel the need to look any further, I know, I know, famous last words, but honestly, this one piece of gear has given me some "Calm". With all that said, it takes nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing away from other turntables. If you're looking for a turntable that delivers solid sound quality and you like tinkering (carts), the PLX is hands down the best "Bang for your buck", if your budget can afford a little more, or you want to save for a move up in all facets of that type of turntable, the GR is the way to go. If you can, or you're patient enough to save, or a window of opportunity opens for you, the G is in a class all itself.
Such a beautiful table. Maybe one day…
 
I debated whether to post this here or in the Technics thread, but since its an opinion on a given piece of equipment, here we are.

View attachment 149199

I've just spent 40 hours listening to this table, the only additional setup was installing the KAB damper and dropping on the Funkfirm mat, outside of that, it's stock out of the box. While I was setting this up, that little voice in my head kept asking me "You spent how much on a turntable?", you who's all about "Bang for your buck". I gotta be honest, when I decided to consolidate down to one system, it wasn't an easy choice, but a choice I had to make, and I will say without reservation that the UltraDeck/Hana SL > Manley > PrimaLuna combo will always be my favorite set up, and at times I still miss it. One of the defining aspects of that upheaval was long term cost and simplicity.

The Manley has remained, the PLX gave way to a GR and amp issues forced a move to a Mucial Fidelity M2si. There was some struggle with the system, too many changes, some actual gear problems looming, and some time and effort into optimizing the GR with @HiFi Guy and myself double teaming calibration, geometry and so on, of the GR.............luckily, we hammered that out.

I was completely content at that point with the system, the question became, what cartridge/s to use, again, leaning on "Bang for your buck". A few unexpected things happened in the span of a week that brought in some unexpected funds to my "hobby" account, not just a couple of bucks, but enough to prompt a "Wow! What am I going to do with this?" The purchase of the GR was always a compromise, not a bad one, but a compromise non the less, it was a move up from the PLX and still within the budget I set for my single system. But now, a window opened and the G was a possibility. If I didn't take the opportunity now, I probably wouldn't, or most likely, couldn't later.

$4000 isn't in most peoples budget for a turntable, it's not in most peoples budget for a system, I understand that. What I wanted to share was my thought about the G and how I was taken a back as I listened to album after album. I was expecting a "difference", the cynic in me kept pumping the breaks to keep me on an even keel. Having the G and GR side by side it's hard to see why there's a $2300 difference, really hard. Once you start using them you can start to "feel" some of the differences and like most items with tiers, cost saving start with materials, it's not a bad thing and probably the least intrusive to the overall output of the item.

I'm not going to go too deep into this, but rather highlight a couple of things that live in the $2300 extra I paid. The G brings out the best in other things, that's the best I can put it. I kept going back and forth with the Opus3 and Hana EL, they both sounded great, better than they have, but what did come through were two things, how amazing the Opus3 sounded now and how the G was now showing the "limitations" of an entry level MC cart. The G also made the Manley a bit more honest, I could hear an audible, not on/off switch, audible, but more than noticeable change in the sound after about 30 minutes when the tubes warmed up, tube life, it is, what it is.

The last thing, and something that still floors me after having the gear I've had, and how many times I've listened to a given album. I'm hearing things from some recording that I never heard before, I feel almost stupid making that comment, but seriously, I was already actively listening, but I felt like a dog who's ears perked up because it heard something. I stated 40 hours because I just kept going back for more, what other album could I throw on the platter and be not only excited about the sound quality, but anything I might have been missing all these years. There are other aspects, materials, small aesthetic changes, but this is the "meat and potato's" of it.

The G has been an experience. Was it worth the additional $2300? It was for me, at this moment. It is "end game" and that honestly makes me really happy. I love gear, probably always will, but I don't feel the need to look any further, I know, I know, famous last words, but honestly, this one piece of gear has given me some "Calm". With all that said, it takes nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing away from other turntables. If you're looking for a turntable that delivers solid sound quality and you like tinkering (carts), the PLX is hands down the best "Bang for your buck", if your budget can afford a little more, or you want to save for a move up in all facets of that type of turntable, the GR is the way to go. If you can, or you're patient enough to save, or a window of opportunity opens for you, the G is in a class all itself.
@AnthonyI has had a very similar experience to mine.

The difference is that I don’t miss my PrimaLuna- my NAD separates out perform it and no pesky (and expensive) tube failures.

The UltraDeck is a different matter. I found myself missing the UltraDeck when living with the GR. I loved the build quality of the GR, it’s compact footprint in relation to the UltraDeck, and especially the ability to easily alternate between mono and stereo cartridges.

Sound quality? The UltraDeck sounds better than the GR. The GR does something with tone and dynamics that I can’t put my finger on. The best way to put it was a brighter tone and an artificial sense of excitement.

The G is a whole different kettle of fish, It sounds nothing like the GR. It sounds like the UltraDeck on steroids- quieter, smoother, deeper and more authoritative bass. Huge dynamics. Absolutely no down side, except the big one- price.

@AnthonyI and I both went back and forth and shared experiences trying to get the GR to sound the way we wanted. We both learned a lot, and I ultimately learned I wanted the GR to sound like the G, which is simply impossible. He kept adjusting and tweaking his GR after my G arrived. I’m afraid I irritated him more than once- the answer wasn’t a tweak or a cartridge. The answer was getting a G.

If you can swing a G, do it. It’s worth the money, and then some. I’ve bought my last turntable.
 
He kept adjusting and tweaking his GR after my G arrived. I’m afraid I irritated him more than once- the answer wasn’t a tweak or a cartridge. The answer was getting a G.
Irritated is such a harsh word, lol.

There are two realities folks, that none of us can escape and are limited by budget.
One, we all chase a certain sound, I know I've heard systems 10x the cost of not only my current system, but past systems and found them not to my liking. Conversely, I've heard lots of "inexpensive" gear that delivers the goods...................this is why I spent the time understanding the GR.

Two, Bang for your Buck. I really didn't look at the GR as a replacement to the UltraDeck, that system was a completely different animal. I did compare it to the PLX. That being said, and having now had a chance to hear what the G sounded like (Once again, I blame @HiFi Guy) I could see/hear the obvious differences between the G and GR, BUT, it's at a cost.

Again, if the moon and the stars hadn't aligned, I found the "sweet spot" in the GR and would have been fine keeping it. I still contend, not only with TT, but most gear, once you get into the $1k plus territory there is no "Bad" gear, it's about preferences and budget.
 
Irritated is such a harsh word, lol.

There are two realities folks, that none of us can escape and are limited by budget.
One, we all chase a certain sound, I know I've heard systems 10x the cost of not only my current system, but past systems and found them not to my liking. Conversely, I've heard lots of "inexpensive" gear that delivers the goods...................this is why I spent the time understanding the GR.

Two, Bang for your Buck. I really didn't look at the GR as a replacement to the UltraDeck, that system was a completely different animal. I did compare it to the PLX. That being said, and having now had a chance to hear what the G sounded like (Once again, I blame @HiFi Guy) I could see/hear the obvious differences between the G and GR, BUT, it's at a cost.

Again, if the moon and the stars hadn't aligned, I found the "sweet spot" in the GR and would have been fine keeping it. I still contend, not only with TT, but most gear, once you get into the $1k plus territory there is no "Bad" gear, it's about preferences and budget.
I did see the GR as a replacement for the UltraDeck. Obviously easier to change cartridges on the GR, along with easy and far more precise VTA adjustment. The Ultradeck counters with a one piece arm, a continuous run of Cardas wiring between the cartridge clips to the RCA jacks and a heavier Delryn platter. I saw it as two paths to the same destination. It turns out the destinations differ quite a bit.

The other thing is that my perspective is a bit skewed. Initially the UltraDeck and GR were priced within $100 of each other, Then MoFi increased the price, making the difference $300. Now due to inflation it’s $800. But I still see a $1799 turntable.

Don’t think I’m ragging on the GR, because I’m not. In fact, I’d recommended it.

Given current pricing, here’s how I see it-

Under $1k- Pioneer PLX-1000
Under $2k- Technics GR
Under $3k- ???? MoFi or VPI???
Over $3k- Technics G

And I’m really torn on under $3k because I really want to say skip everything and save for a Technics G.

Things Technics has taught me-

There is no “best” alignment. What is best in theory and on paper may not give the most pleasing sound. I prefer the Technics alignment to anything else I tried- at least on a Technics.

Ditto headshells. I prefer the factory plastic headshell to the “better” Jelco magnesium models.

The little wires in the headshell matter. I bought a set of A/T 6018 headshell wires thinking I’d hear no difference but I’d feel better knowing I’ve done what I could to maximize the signal between the cartridge and arm. I was shocked. That 1 inch of wire makes a noticeable difference. I wouldn’t run a removable headshell without them.

A budget cartridge can be an end game cartridge on a great turntable.
 
Under $1k- Pioneer PLX-1000
Under $2k- Technics GR
Under $3k- ???? MoFi or VPI???
Over $3k- Technics G
Agreed, that Under $3k is a tough spot.

The little wires in the headshell matter. I bought a set of A/T 6018 headshell wires thinking I’d hear no difference but I’d feel better knowing I’ve done what I could to maximize the signal between the cartridge and arm. I was shocked. That 1 inch of wire makes a noticeable difference. I wouldn’t run a removable headshell without them.
Agreed...............and I was shocked.

A budget cartridge can be an end game cartridge on a great turntable.
Agreed
 
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