Hot Take/ Musical Confession Thread!

Janes Addiction and The Velvet Underground are some of the most overrated boring bands to have ever existed imo

They deserve no praise nor have they brought anything to the table that hadn’t been done before nor did they “do it better” than those before them
 
Eriatarka said:
Janes Addiction and The Velvet Underground are some of the most overrated boring bands to have ever existed imo

They deserve no praise nor have they brought anything to the table that hadn’t been done before nor did they “do it better” than those before them
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Jane’s Addiction is overrated, sure, but to say that VU brought nothing to the table that hadn’t been done before is, ahem, a bold statement. Who would you say they followed? I can’t think of a single band that did anything remotely similar to their debut or WL/WH before they did
 
RickAllensMissingLeftArm said:
Any Aldo Nova fans here? Very underrated first two records IMO. I saw him when he opened for Journey(in I want to say 82?) In Detroit, for their Escape tour. He was huge back the for "Fantasy".
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I saw him open for Blue Oyster Cult at the Red River Valley Fairgrounds in Fargo ND in 1982.

My hot take is that What's the Story, Morning Glory by Oasis is a complete ripoff of Aldo's big hit, Fantasy.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
One man’s bloated mess is another’s Rock perfected.

Nothing against Sticky Fingers or Let It Bleed but Exile is a certain brand of disheveled, dirty blues rock that has rarely been replicated especially by a bunch of wealthy English Rock Stars. The decadence to depravity ratio for this album is off the charts.
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To be fair Exile sure felt good at top volume when I decided I needed some alone time and drove down a country road. Sun shining and Wildflowers on the mountains.
 
Eriatarka said:
They deserve no praise nor have they brought anything to the table that hadn’t been done before
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So VU and Janes Addiction come from two completely different eras. I like JA well enough but Not to the level that would be able to appropriately defend them.

But VU? They were revelatory. Their first album came out in 1967. You don’t get Bowie, The Talking Heads or hundreds of other amazing acts that rose to prominence in the 1970s without VU clearing a path.
 
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TenderLovingKiller® said:
So VU and Janes Addiction come from two completely different eras. I like JA well enough but Not to the level that would be able to appropriately defend them.

But VU? They were revelatory. Their first album came out in 1967 you don’t get Bowie, The Talking Heads or hundreds of other amazing acts that rose to prominence in the 1970s without VU clearing a path.
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Literally every band that cites VU as their inspiration are better than VU 🤷‍♂️
 
Eriatarka said:
Literally every band that cites VU as their inspiration are better than VU 🤷‍♂️
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I disagree but that wasn’t your initial argument. Also, if you don’t dig The VU that’s your loss but the fact that you can make a statement such as this would prove they were highly influential. They must have done something better than those who came before them and if they inspired a multitude of “better” bands I would assume that said praise was deserving.
 
Manzig said:
I’m wondering how high is Janes Addiction rated for them to be overrated. They were definitely vital as part of the late 80’s scene and PF did create Lollapalooza.
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Idk, I think I’d classify them as highly influential, yet appropriately rated. What they did for the “alternative” scene in the 90’s, through Perry Farrell’s creation of Lollapalooza and Dave Navarro’s inventive guitar work is more highly thought of than their music. That all being said, Ritual De Lo Habitual slays.
 
Sonicpharmacist said:
Idk, I think I’d classify them as highly influential, yet appropriately rated. What they did for the “alternative” scene in the 90’s, through Perry Farrell’s creation of Lollapalooza and Dave Navarro’s inventive guitar work is more highly thought of than their music. That all being said, Ritual De Lo Habitual slays.
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I'd agree - properly rated. I think there rep is 2 very good albums and influential in the alternative scene of the early 90s. I don't think I've ever heard anyone propose that they are the best band of their generation.
 
Sonicpharmacist said:
I am curious who you think VU followed in musical style, who preceded them.
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Various “old style”, blues, bluegrass, and ragtime artists used many of the same styles of vocals.

Many bands used the same style of instrumentation as them in the time of their debut, most commonly out of Japan and Africa.
 
Eriatarka said:
Various “old style”, blues, bluegrass, and ragtime artists used many of the same styles of vocals.

Many bands used the same style of instrumentation as them in the time of their debut, most commonly out of Japan and Africa.
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IDK where these Japanese and African precursor bands are coming from.

I can see the country reference, but Cale’s influences was more in the contemporary composers realm.

Where I think they innovated was bringing subject matter that no one talked about into the stories of their songs. Their style of their music was much different and more ritualistic in a way. I can see traces to MC5, but they are different in the motivation for all that chaos.
 
Eriatarka said:
Many bands used the same style of instrumentation as them in the time of their debut, most commonly out of Japan and Africa.
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If Reed and Cale were influenced by Japanese and African music (something I have never heard described and an influence but sure, I guess it’s possible) and seemingly blended those styles with the Avant-Garde, Classical, Doo-Wop, Jazz, and R&B (well noted influences of both Cale and Reed respectively) then I would say they were even more innovative than I initially thought.
 
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