Incoming! The New Equipment Thread

We need a detailed comparison of the 1200G vs the UltraDeck. You opened up this can of worms and have everyone thinking about how the 1200G would be in their systems.

I’m especially curious since your system is so similar to mine.
1200G thoughts:

This is a stellar table, which is no news to anyone I think, its near universal acclaim speaks for itself and I've learned quite quickly that its reputation is very well earned.

Lets talk comparisons with the MoFi Ultradeck

Build Quality:

• Both of these tables are great pieces of kit and I had little to complain about, maybe the tonearm lifter on the Ultradeck could sometimes feel a bit funny and changing things like VTA could be a bit tedious, though certainly not AWFUL. Overall I'm aware now of how great a value for the money the UD can be. Great feet, great dampening with the delrin platter/plinth. Oh I also wasn't a huge fan of the UD power button, it was lacking something and always felt like the least exciting element of the deck.
• The Technics is easily in another league as far as finish and build quality goes. For starters it weighs about twice as much as the UD and all of the touchpoints down from the on/off switch, start/stop switch, speed changers, run in groove light, tonearm and all of its adjustments, the lifter and on and on, everything is premium and an absolute joy to touch and interact with. You can see where your money went in some regards there.
• It feels far more forgiving as far as tweaking/adjusting tonearm settings + headshells. I can play with the VTA easily without having the anxiety of "if I mess this up theres a chance it can take a while to get it back to where it was". That's no longer an anxiety and so its much more inviting in that regard.
• The USER INTERFACE of the 1200G is supreme and makes it exciting and easy to interact with.

Sound:

• So here's where its interesting. I'll come out and say it, but I think the Ultradeck with a great cart and comparable components in the rest of the chain can pull like 85% of the performance of the 1200G. But for me that last 15% is kind of what I've been missing and longing for when I owned my Ultradeck.
• The 1200G exudes ease/grace without sacrificing authority and speed. It feels perfectly on time and appears to just EFFORTLESSLY pull music from the grooves and represents the music with a greater degree and nuance of tonal accuracy. When I say tonal accuracy, I mean that I'm hearing more nuance, more inflection, more imperfection in the voices and instruments.
• Last night listening to the Kind of Blue MoFi 45 I noticed more wavering, more faltering in a note from Miles Davis' trumpet that I always heard and thought to be solid and perfect. No, there's way more nuance to recordings I'm familiar with than I had imagined/anticipated. There are FAR more transients then ever before as a result. I noticed this a lot with Coltrane's playing on So What. What appeared before as a short journey between 2 notes, each represented in my mind as a mountain top, actually has revealed its valley between to be far more interesting and expansive than before, with smaller mountains dotted within, the journey between has become far more interesting and a whole new (yet tiny) layer of Coltrane's playing is revealed and it adds so much to nerd out on.
• Separation: I haven't experienced any muddiness, even on busy rock recordings where music is at risk of coagulating into a wall of sound, the technics does a wonderful job of pulling everything apart and giving it a place to live in the soundstage, but it also makes sure nothing gets lost in the mix. An example of this is Bill Evans on KOB, I always had felt he'd been buried in the mix and as a result wasn't very interesting on the record. Last night I got to actually focus on his performance because of how well it was isolated and communicated. His piano was delicate and crystalline but present and articulate.
• I think the word that I associate so far with the Technics is just that: articulate.
• Another thing that I've been overjoyed with is it's tracking, not a trace of IGD or deterioration as its tracks closer to the run out groove. Records sound as good in the home stretch as they do on track one. THIS was always something I felt the Utlradeck could do better, no matter the cart, I felt the Ultradeck and Hana SL combo could still on occasion fall victim to IGD within crowded deadwax. I could tell that the UD was working harder as it got further to the end. I haven't experienced any of that *yet*.
• Everything just sounds more alive, defined, and robust. Its a lot of fun to listen to and a breeze to use.

What else can I say:

To me the upgrade has been 100% worth the extra investment but perhaps the difference was not as NIGHT and DAY as my brain anticipated it to be, and yet that does not mean it hasn't been rewarding. I think if the price of the 1200G isn't too prohibitive then the upgrade becomes a no brainer, its a superior table in every way but not if you have to compromise your financials to experience it, you might not be as happy once its all hooked up and feeding your speakers. It's an upgrade best experienced at an upgrade pace that feels sustainable. Not everyone NEEDS this table, the Ultradeck is wholly satisfying for most and can easily be the end of the road for most, but for those who look to squeeze out every last drop from their records... yeah you'll definitely enjoy the experience of the 1200G as their endgame, if you're comfortable spending that type of money. Spare me coming into a ridiculous amount of cash, I imagine this is going to be the end of the line for me.

To me the difference between an Ultradeck and a 1200G feels like the difference between a BMW 3 Series and a BMW 5 series. Both are beautiful and give you that "luxury" experience, but the 5 has a bit more power, its a bit roomier and spacious, its a bit more plush with nicer finishes and details, and its got cool ambient lighting strips that make it feel fancy and expensive lol.

Anyways, I hope that's helpful friends. Lmk if you have specific questions @mindhead1.

DISCLAIMER: I got the Hana ML with the Technics 1200G so it's difficult to say what out of what I wrote is the product of the 1200G or a Microline Hana cartridge. So keep that in mind.IMG_9805.jpg
 
JULIA JACKLIN!

I think turntables offer the least "big" jump once you get out of the super entry level market. Cartridges, preamps, amps, speakers, etc all offer pretty marked changes but once you're into the like mid-fi range and up for turntables, these differences aren't as stark.

For me the appeal of Technics is that you can have an army of carts to easily swap around with if you wanna change things up. I'm usually swapping out my cart every month or so just to get a new vibe.

P.S. you can get headshells and other official parts straight from Panasonic: SL1200G Panasonic Replacement Parts - Encompass

From experience, the Technics headshells are very good and there aren't many lighter out there.
 
1200G thoughts:

This is a stellar table, which is no news to anyone I think, its near universal acclaim speaks for itself and I've learned quite quickly that its reputation is very well earned.

Lets talk comparisons with the MoFi Ultradeck

Build Quality:

• Both of these tables are great pieces of kit and I had little to complain about, maybe the tonearm lifter on the Ultradeck could sometimes feel a bit funny and changing things like VTA could be a bit tedious, though certainly not AWFUL. Overall I'm aware now of how great a value for the money the UD can be. Great feet, great dampening with the delrin platter/plinth. Oh I also wasn't a huge fan of the UD power button, it was lacking something and always felt like the least exciting element of the deck.
• The Technics is easily in another league as far as finish and build quality goes. For starters it weighs about twice as much as the UD and all of the touchpoints down from the on/off switch, start/stop switch, speed changers, run in groove light, tonearm and all of its adjustments, the lifter and on and on, everything is premium and an absolute joy to touch and interact with. You can see where your money went in some regards there.
• It feels far more forgiving as far as tweaking/adjusting tonearm settings + headshells. I can play with the VTA easily without having the anxiety of "if I mess this up theres a chance it can take a while to get it back to where it was". That's no longer an anxiety and so its much more inviting in that regard.
• The USER INTERFACE of the 1200G is supreme and makes it exciting and easy to interact with.

Sound:

• So here's where its interesting. I'll come out and say it, but I think the Ultradeck with a great cart and comparable components in the rest of the chain can pull like 85% of the performance of the 1200G. But for me that last 15% is kind of what I've been missing and longing for when I owned my Ultradeck.
• The 1200G exudes ease/grace without sacrificing authority and speed. It feels perfectly on time and appears to just EFFORTLESSLY pull music from the grooves and represents the music with a greater degree and nuance of tonal accuracy. When I say tonal accuracy, I mean that I'm hearing more nuance, more inflection, more imperfection in the voices and instruments.
• Last night listening to the Kind of Blue MoFi 45 I noticed more wavering, more faltering in a note from Miles Davis' trumpet that I always heard and thought to be solid and perfect. No, there's way more nuance to recordings I'm familiar with than I had imagined/anticipated. There are FAR more transients then ever before as a result. I noticed this a lot with Coltrane's playing on So What. What appeared before as a short journey between 2 notes, each represented in my mind as a mountain top, actually has revealed its valley between to be far more interesting and expansive than before, with smaller mountains dotted within, the journey between has become far more interesting and a whole new (yet tiny) layer of Coltrane's playing is revealed and it adds so much to nerd out on.
• Separation: I haven't experienced any muddiness, even on busy rock recordings where music is at risk of coagulating into a wall of sound, the technics does a wonderful job of pulling everything apart and giving it a place to live in the soundstage, but it also makes sure nothing gets lost in the mix. An example of this is Bill Evans on KOB, I always had felt he'd been buried in the mix and as a result wasn't very interesting on the record. Last night I got to actually focus on his performance because of how well it was isolated and communicated. His piano was delicate and crystalline but present and articulate.
• I think the word that I associate so far with the Technics is just that: articulate.
• Another thing that I've been overjoyed with is it's tracking, not a trace of IGD or deterioration as its tracks closer to the run out groove. Records sound as good in the home stretch as they do on track one. THIS was always something I felt the Utlradeck could do better, no matter the cart, I felt the Ultradeck and Hana SL combo could still on occasion fall victim to IGD within crowded deadwax. I could tell that the UD was working harder as it got further to the end. I haven't experienced any of that *yet*.
• Everything just sounds more alive, defined, and robust. Its a lot of fun to listen to and a breeze to use.

What else can I say:

To me the upgrade has been 100% worth the extra investment but perhaps the difference was not as NIGHT and DAY as my brain anticipated it to be, and yet that does not mean it hasn't been rewarding. I think if the price of the 1200G isn't too prohibitive then the upgrade becomes a no brainer, its a superior table in every way but not if you have to compromise your financials to experience it, you might not be as happy once its all hooked up and feeding your speakers. It's an upgrade best experienced at an upgrade pace that feels sustainable. Not everyone NEEDS this table, the Ultradeck is wholly satisfying for most and can easily be the end of the road for most, but for those who look to squeeze out every last drop from their records... yeah you'll definitely enjoy the experience of the 1200G as their endgame, if you're comfortable spending that type of money. Spare me coming into a ridiculous amount of cash, I imagine this is going to be the end of the line for me.

To me the difference between an Ultradeck and a 1200G feels like the difference between a BMW 3 Series and a BMW 5 series. Both are beautiful and give you that "luxury" experience, but the 5 has a bit more power, its a bit roomier and spacious, its a bit more plush with nicer finishes and details, and its got cool ambient lighting strips that make it feel fancy and expensive lol.

Anyways, I hope that's helpful friends. Lmk if you have specific questions @mindhead1.

DISCLAIMER: I got the Hana ML with the Technics 1200G so it's difficult to say what out of what I wrote is the product of the 1200G or a Microline Hana cartridge. So keep that in mind.View attachment 224784
Congrats and glad it worked out for you. Now that you're thoroughly in the upper tier in terms of gear I think you'll soon come to find that most upgrades from this point on no matter how massive will likely only net you a 5 to 15% increase in fidelity/quality etc... You've officially reached the point of diminishing returns. From this point on attempting to justify each successive purchase to your significant other becomes EXPONENTIALLY MORE DIFFICULT OMG DO NOT EVER MERGE YOUR FINANCES DID YOU DO THAT OH NO GOOD CHRIST DON'T EVER DO THAT
 
To me the difference between an Ultradeck and a 1200G feels like the difference between a BMW 3 Series and a BMW 5 series. Both are beautiful and give you that "luxury" experience, but the 5 has a bit more power, its a bit roomier and spacious, its a bit more plush with nicer finishes and details, and its got cool ambient lighting strips that make it feel fancy and expensive lol.
@Ghost thanks for the detailed review and comparison. I love the 3 series vs 5 series analogy.

There maybe a 1200G in my future, but for now I’m going to see what the UD can get me with a cart upgrade. Hana S or M are on my short list.
 
1200G thoughts:

This is a stellar table, which is no news to anyone I think, its near universal acclaim speaks for itself and I've learned quite quickly that its reputation is very well earned.

Lets talk comparisons with the MoFi Ultradeck

Build Quality:

• Both of these tables are great pieces of kit and I had little to complain about, maybe the tonearm lifter on the Ultradeck could sometimes feel a bit funny and changing things like VTA could be a bit tedious, though certainly not AWFUL. Overall I'm aware now of how great a value for the money the UD can be. Great feet, great dampening with the delrin platter/plinth. Oh I also wasn't a huge fan of the UD power button, it was lacking something and always felt like the least exciting element of the deck.
• The Technics is easily in another league as far as finish and build quality goes. For starters it weighs about twice as much as the UD and all of the touchpoints down from the on/off switch, start/stop switch, speed changers, run in groove light, tonearm and all of its adjustments, the lifter and on and on, everything is premium and an absolute joy to touch and interact with. You can see where your money went in some regards there.
• It feels far more forgiving as far as tweaking/adjusting tonearm settings + headshells. I can play with the VTA easily without having the anxiety of "if I mess this up theres a chance it can take a while to get it back to where it was". That's no longer an anxiety and so its much more inviting in that regard.
• The USER INTERFACE of the 1200G is supreme and makes it exciting and easy to interact with.

Sound:

• So here's where its interesting. I'll come out and say it, but I think the Ultradeck with a great cart and comparable components in the rest of the chain can pull like 85% of the performance of the 1200G. But for me that last 15% is kind of what I've been missing and longing for when I owned my Ultradeck.
• The 1200G exudes ease/grace without sacrificing authority and speed. It feels perfectly on time and appears to just EFFORTLESSLY pull music from the grooves and represents the music with a greater degree and nuance of tonal accuracy. When I say tonal accuracy, I mean that I'm hearing more nuance, more inflection, more imperfection in the voices and instruments.
• Last night listening to the Kind of Blue MoFi 45 I noticed more wavering, more faltering in a note from Miles Davis' trumpet that I always heard and thought to be solid and perfect. No, there's way more nuance to recordings I'm familiar with than I had imagined/anticipated. There are FAR more transients then ever before as a result. I noticed this a lot with Coltrane's playing on So What. What appeared before as a short journey between 2 notes, each represented in my mind as a mountain top, actually has revealed its valley between to be far more interesting and expansive than before, with smaller mountains dotted within, the journey between has become far more interesting and a whole new (yet tiny) layer of Coltrane's playing is revealed and it adds so much to nerd out on.
• Separation: I haven't experienced any muddiness, even on busy rock recordings where music is at risk of coagulating into a wall of sound, the technics does a wonderful job of pulling everything apart and giving it a place to live in the soundstage, but it also makes sure nothing gets lost in the mix. An example of this is Bill Evans on KOB, I always had felt he'd been buried in the mix and as a result wasn't very interesting on the record. Last night I got to actually focus on his performance because of how well it was isolated and communicated. His piano was delicate and crystalline but present and articulate.
• I think the word that I associate so far with the Technics is just that: articulate.
• Another thing that I've been overjoyed with is it's tracking, not a trace of IGD or deterioration as its tracks closer to the run out groove. Records sound as good in the home stretch as they do on track one. THIS was always something I felt the Utlradeck could do better, no matter the cart, I felt the Ultradeck and Hana SL combo could still on occasion fall victim to IGD within crowded deadwax. I could tell that the UD was working harder as it got further to the end. I haven't experienced any of that *yet*.
• Everything just sounds more alive, defined, and robust. Its a lot of fun to listen to and a breeze to use.

What else can I say:

To me the upgrade has been 100% worth the extra investment but perhaps the difference was not as NIGHT and DAY as my brain anticipated it to be, and yet that does not mean it hasn't been rewarding. I think if the price of the 1200G isn't too prohibitive then the upgrade becomes a no brainer, its a superior table in every way but not if you have to compromise your financials to experience it, you might not be as happy once its all hooked up and feeding your speakers. It's an upgrade best experienced at an upgrade pace that feels sustainable. Not everyone NEEDS this table, the Ultradeck is wholly satisfying for most and can easily be the end of the road for most, but for those who look to squeeze out every last drop from their records... yeah you'll definitely enjoy the experience of the 1200G as their endgame, if you're comfortable spending that type of money. Spare me coming into a ridiculous amount of cash, I imagine this is going to be the end of the line for me.

To me the difference between an Ultradeck and a 1200G feels like the difference between a BMW 3 Series and a BMW 5 series. Both are beautiful and give you that "luxury" experience, but the 5 has a bit more power, its a bit roomier and spacious, its a bit more plush with nicer finishes and details, and its got cool ambient lighting strips that make it feel fancy and expensive lol.

Anyways, I hope that's helpful friends. Lmk if you have specific questions @mindhead1.

DISCLAIMER: I got the Hana ML with the Technics 1200G so it's difficult to say what out of what I wrote is the product of the 1200G or a Microline Hana cartridge. So keep that in mind.View attachment 224784
Nice write-up. It's a fun read.

I've gone from the AT33 PTG to the ART series carts and boy does the G make it apparent how each cart sounds different. However, each cart tracked consistently well and distortion or skipping has never been an issue, regardless of how hot an album was cut. The original source classical series is an interesting test.


The major challenge with this table is it brings out the most from each cart.
As you go up in each cart, the G doesn't mask or hide anything. It just gets better.
You get a complete appreciation from moving up the chain in cart quality.
So you are always curious to hear the next best one. It's borderline addictive 😬
 
JULIA JACKLIN!

I think turntables offer the least "big" jump once you get out of the super entry level market. Cartridges, preamps, amps, speakers, etc all offer pretty marked changes but once you're into the like mid-fi range and up for turntables, these differences aren't as stark.

For me the appeal of Technics is that you can have an army of carts to easily swap around with if you wanna change things up. I'm usually swapping out my cart every month or so just to get a new vibe.

P.S. you can get headshells and other official parts straight from Panasonic: SL1200G Panasonic Replacement Parts - Encompass

From experience, the Technics headshells are very good and there aren't many lighter out there.
I was thinking about that, my most memorable jump was probably honestly from my AT LP60 to my Fluance RT85 and then the next time I was wowed by an upgrade was when I upgraded my pre-amp and cartridge on my Ultradeck and went from a Grado Opus to a Hana SL and a Musical Fidelity LX-LPS to an Insight Sutherland, that was the first time I was like "woah, holy moly thats a difference!"

I'm very excited to start accumulating new cartridges, thats not something I've been into simply because of the Mofi's one piece tone arm, but definitely eager to do that on the Technics!
 
Congrats on your new purchase! My finding was that the Hana SL was about 90% of the ML on my tables.

The 1200G and the Sutherland look good together in the photo.
Wow! Thats impressive. I'm going to get my SL retipped to have on hand when this thing burns out! Also I think so too, I was excited to ditch the matte black look of the MoFi and get another shiny aluminum turntable. Its not in the picture but my Kinki Studios EX M1 is right next to the Sutherland and they look really nice as a shiny aluminum trio up there!
 
Congrats and glad it worked out for you. Now that you're thoroughly in the upper tier in terms of gear I think you'll soon come to find that most upgrades from this point on no matter how massive will likely only net you a 5 to 15% increase in fidelity/quality etc... You've officially reached the point of diminishing returns. From this point on attempting to justify each successive purchase to your significant other becomes EXPONENTIALLY MORE DIFFICULT OMG DO NOT EVER MERGE YOUR FINANCES DID YOU DO THAT OH NO GOOD CHRIST DON'T EVER DO THAT
That's good to hear honestly, and it feels good to be at the point of diminishing return. The only thing I'm desirous of upgrading is my digital set-up, I'll probably add a Denafrips DAC or something in the next year or two and then just chill the fuck out for 5 years or something lol. Although my friend is going to let me hang onto his EAR Phonobox.... I'm praying that doesn't wow me cause then I'll get the upgradeitis again lol.

I also keep saying this to my wife, I'm going to look real bad if a year from now I'm like "MAYBE I SHOULD GET A NEW INTEGRATED AMP? GO FOR A MORE TUBEY SOUND!" *itches neck*
 
Nice write-up. It's a fun read.

I've gone from the AT33 PTG to the ART series carts and boy does the G make it apparent how each cart sounds different. However, each cart tracked consistently well and distortion or skipping has never been an issue, regardless of how hot an album was cut. The original source classical series is an interesting test.


The major challenge with this table is it brings out the most from each cart.
As you go up in each cart, the G doesn't mask or hide anything. It just gets better.
You get a complete appreciation from moving up the chain in cart quality.
So you are always curious to hear the next best one. It's borderline addictive 😬
Yes, that makes sense! I guess the goal of a really good turntable should be to actually get the fuck out of the way and make it so all you hear is a quiet background for a cart to show off its stuff. What carts have you really fallen in love with on the G?
 
I was thinking about that, my most memorable jump was probably honestly from my AT LP60 to my Fluance RT85 and then the next time I was wowed by an upgrade was when I upgraded my pre-amp and cartridge on my Ultradeck and went from a Grado Opus to a Hana SL and a Musical Fidelity LX-LPS to an Insight Sutherland, that was the first time I was like "woah, holy moly thats a difference!"

I'm very excited to start accumulating new cartridges, thats not something I've been into simply because of the Mofi's one piece tone arm, but definitely eager to do that on the Technics!
Something worth noting is the Technics arm doesn't loooooove some of the higher compliance carts out there (e.g. the OC9 series) and is really fussy with the low compliance carts (Denon 103) but you can make them work. Anything with a dynamic compliance roughly around 15-25 should mesh just fine with the stock headshell and arm.

P.P.S. If you ever start getting more than a few, these are really nice looking ways to display/store your carts:


(just keep it away from direct sunlight or your carts are in a greenhouse)
 
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