20. Goofy one - do you guys have a list of your personal fruit rankings
1-5?
*Phil*:
1) Blackberries
2) Cherries
3) Palisade Peaches
4) Salmonberries (if you aren't from the Pacific Northwest, you don't know)
5) Limes (underrated)
*Ben*:
1) The California Raisins
2) Strawberry Smiggles
3) Boo-Berry
4) Bananarama
5) Honeycrisp Apples
21. With the legalization of weed in Colorado, most empty warehouse spaces
in Denver got gobbled up by the marijuana industry for use as grow sites.
Has the loss of those warehouse spaces - meaning the loss of a lot of
DIY-ish performance spaces - had a negative impact on the metal (or general
music) scene in Denver, especially for up-and-coming bands?
*Ben*: This is a fantastic question, and is relevant to my interests. I'm a
PhD candidate in the Sociology department at CU Boulder, and my
dissertation is on the Denver underground scene. One of the themes in my
work is how economic development affects cultural production and
engagement, so the influx of newcomers because of marijuana (as well as
tech-related businesses) has increased the cost of living, driven up
commercial rent prices, and produced a shift in the cultural appetites of
the city. All of these factors impact how and where music gets made and
performed here. Thus far, venues like our beloved HiDive have been able to
continue to thrive and support underground music of all types, but access
to the metal and punk music for younger people is relegated to big
concerts--whose ticket prices can be a barrier for lower income folks--or
one of our few DIY spaces. 7th Circle Music Collective is a long-running
DIY spot that continues to put on a wide variety of all-ages shows, from
folk to punk to metal, and there are a few under-the-radar locations also
host lesser-known acts. But the aforementioned economic forces mean it's
harder to open and sustain a safe, successful DIY spot here than, say, 10
years ago, even if there's technically a larger pool of potential
showgoers.
How has that affected up and coming bands? I'm not 100% sure yet. The
underground scene that we're part of--alongside bands like Primitive Man,
Of Feather and Bone, In the Company of Serpents, Wayfarer, Dreadnought--is
generally pretty great about supporting newer bands and helping them get on
bills. As more tours come through town and the aforementioned established
acts play fewer local shows, the scene needs more new bands to fill local
support slots. That said, one trend I've seen is that a lot of these newer
bands don't have young folks in 'em; in the cohort of newer, up-and-coming
heavy acts, we've got quite a few bands with older, established scene
members in them, but I haven't seen too many twenty-somethings in their
ranks. That doesn't mean they aren't there--there's obviously a selection
bias issue given my own musical preferences, the fact that I don't go to as
many shows as I once did given my busier touring schedule, and the fact
that I'm getting older and would rather see bands in a "real" venue with a
good PA than in a dimly-lit basement--but it does seem that economic
development at least impedes access to the underground music world for
younger people, even if it doesn't totally cut off their access.
It's not all bad news, though. In addition to places like HiDive still
thriving, Rhinoceropolis (nigh-legendary DIY spot that was shut down by the
city after the Ghost Ship fire
Beloved Denver DIY Venue Rhinoceropolis Shut Down in Wake of Oakland Fire | Pitchfork
has reopened
Rhinoceropolis Owner on Re-Opening DIY Venue in RiNo This Year,
though I haven't seen the newest incarnation so I don't know what's
changed. Its closure really bummed a lot of folks out, as not only did it
further highlight the RiNo "arts district" as the newest victim of
gentrification, but it also displaced quite a few local artists in the
middle of the winter. It's fucking hard to afford to live here at all,
doubly so if you're relying on income from your art to make ends meet. Will
it be able to stick around this time? I sure hope so. Underground music
scenes need DIY/all-ages spaces to open young folks' eyes and ears to a
world to which they might otherwise be oblivious. Like many lifers, my
formative years were spent seeing rad bands--as well as plenty of awful
ones--in shitty dives, garages, and basements. I discovered, and fell in
love with, underground metal by banging my head and drinking cheap malt
liquor in DIY spaces with like-minded maniacs. I don't think you can
acquire that sort of visceral connection to an art world, as a performer
and/or as a fan, by seeing a handful of concerts each year in corporate
venues with $9 beers and stage barricades. Acquiring the language and
practices that deeply connect you to art requires intense, meaningful
social experiences that aren't (as) mediated by economic capital; I'm not
saying that can't happen in 1000-cap rooms, but I am saying that it happens
much more deeply and intensely when the band is standing 5 feet in front of
you and selling their merch out of the back of their van in the street. The
idea of a generation of potential punks and metalheads being denied those
kinds of experiences in a place like Denver, where the scene is absolutely
thriving and where bands are putting out so much honest, compelling art,
breaks my heart. That's why spots like Rhinoceropolis and 7th Circle, among
others, are so important and why people like Ethan McCarthy, the godfather
of this city's scene(s) and the hardest working man in the underground, are
so integral to keeping music and its related spaces alive.
Thanks for asking such great questions and for your support of the band.
Hope to see y'all on the road!"
Since I copied it from our webmail, I think the formatting didn't translate properly so I'll edit a little more tomorrow. Really just wanted to get this to y'all today.