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I think we're witnessing the beginning of the end of the modern movie going experience. People say they want practical effects, stunts, and less CGI yet they won't support movies like Furiosa and The Fall Guy that give you exactly that. Yes, I understand both had CGI but they also tried to give people old time movie thrills with the assistance of CGI versus straight up green screen shitfests. I think it's hard to pinpoint exactly what's wrong. We just came off two summers of Top Gun Maverick and Barbie/Oppenheimer blowing out the box office. People went to event movies. Yeah, it's expensive to go to a movie. Yeah you can just wait until it comes out on streaming in less than 60 days. But at some point, we're just going to get CGI and AI shitfests on streaming services because it is no longer feasible to make movies for the theaters.
Personally, I went to see the Fall Guy in the theater as it's the type of movie I want to see more of - big dumb fun and though it's based on IP you really don't need to know anything about the 80's tv show to watch it. As for Furiousa, and as much as I love Ana Taylor Joy, I'm just not that interested in that series.
 
Personally, I went to see the Fall Guy in the theater as it's the type of movie I want to see more of - big dumb fun and though it's based on IP you really don't need to know anything about the 80's tv show to watch it. As for Furiousa, and as much as I love Ana Taylor Joy, I'm just not that interested in that series.
I think a lot of people probably feel that way. Fury Road was a mild hit. It only made 379M globally in 2015. It had a budget of 150M. So then they greenlit a prequel that had an even higher budget of 168M. That's where this is starting to become untenable. Either the actors have got to start taking less or the studios have to throttle back the budgets and of course we all suffer when they do this because they will take the easiest way out that's available to them, more CGI and AI.
 
Personally, I went to see the Fall Guy in the theater as it's the type of movie I want to see more of - big dumb fun and though it's based on IP you really don't need to know anything about the 80's tv show to watch it. As for Furiousa, and as much as I love Ana Taylor Joy, I'm just not that interested in that series.
I suppose I’m part of the problem- quite fancied both movies, but I never actually went to see them.

I only really go to IMAX now, to be honest.
 
I have a soft spot for Bottle Rocket since it was filmed in my hometown. It was only later that I found out that the Wilson brothers (including Futureman) were all from Dallas and that Owen and Wes met each other at UT in Austin. Plus the moment when Anthony runs to find Inez and Alone Again Or is playing is one of the best uses of a song in a movie that I can think of.
 
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I don't go see movies in the theater all that often anymore, because the experience doesn't justify the price.

A ticket, large popcorn, and a large soda is almost 40 bucks.

I can wait 3 months or less and watch it at home for 1/4 the price - own the 4K blu ray for half - and have money left over for snacks that I actually like.


When I was younger and had more disposable income, I'd see 3 or 4 movies a week in the theater....but it was 10 bucks max each time. I could see 4 movies for the price of one now.


And don't get me started on the whole "pick your seat" bullshit.
 
I don't go see movies in the theater all that often anymore, because the experience doesn't justify the price.

A ticket, large popcorn, and a large soda is almost 40 bucks.

I can wait 3 months or less and watch it at home for 1/4 the price - own the 4K blu ray for half - and have money left over for snacks that I actually like.


When I was younger and had more disposable income, I'd see 3 or 4 movies a week in the theater....but it was 10 bucks max each time. I could see 4 movies for the price of one now.


And don't get me started on the whole "pick your seat" bullshit.
For one ticket? That's insane. I'd say my wife and I can both go together for under $40 and that includes all of our snacks.
 
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If I had an Alamo near me, I'd do something like that. But I don't.
I will say that my wife and I subscribe to the Cinemark Movie Club. So it's $10 a month for one movie credit and then once you run out of credits, any additional tickets are also $10. So it's never more than $20 for both of us to go but more often than not we've already pre-paid. And then we also get a discount on concessions.
 
What did you think of this podcast episode out of interest? I had never heard of it before but gave it a listen when you posted it on here.
I came to it third-hand; the cohost Michael Hobbes used to cohost You're Wrong About, a similar deep-dive podcast concerning historical events we collectively misremember. He fractured off to do Maintenance Phase, which is a similar format though it concerns diet culture and fad eating. But currently Hobbes is hosting my favorite iteration of this format, If Books Could Kill, which addresses pop science and political writing from the last few decades; it's a good crash course on media literacy and often the hosts articulate opinions I've struggled to find words for.

Anyway, Maintenance Phase has been on my radar, and I listened specifically to the Spurlock ep a couple weeks back because there were some "hey remember this guy" threads on bluesky. I've listened to a few other episodes (The Omnivore's Dillema, Forks over Knives, Presidential Fitness Test) and while they're good and informative, they kinda peter out for me once the hosts get past their initial arguments.
 
While personally I don't believe the worth of a movie should be measured by how much it makes, Furiosa's performance at the box office doesn't spell good things for the prospects of Miller returning for another Mad Max installment. I'm thinking the marketing may have done a disservice to this movie, as a lot of the trailers and ads made it seem like it would be another high-octane nonstop thrill ride like Fury Road, when in reality it's a slower, more contemplative character study. I thought it was great to see Miller explore even more of the world he's created with this franchise, but I think a lot of audiences might come away disappointed it doesn't provide that shot of adrenaline that Fury Road did (even though, in my opinion, there's some action scenes in this that rival the finest of that movie).

It's also been extremely disheartening to see the two most common reactions to it underperforming have been "who asked for this?" and "I'll just wait for it to come to streaming." I'm not the type of person that likes to go around complaining about and looking down on the "general audience" - it usually feels really elitist and snobby to me - but I look at comments like this and can't help but feel like we've really lost the plot at some point.
I think we're witnessing the beginning of the end of the modern movie going experience. People say they want practical effects, stunts, and less CGI yet they won't support movies like Furiosa and The Fall Guy that give you exactly that. Yes, I understand both had CGI but they also tried to give people old time movie thrills with the assistance of CGI versus straight up green screen shitfests. I think it's hard to pinpoint exactly what's wrong. We just came off two summers of Top Gun Maverick and Barbie/Oppenheimer blowing out the box office. People went to event movies. Yeah, it's expensive to go to a movie. Yeah you can just wait until it comes out on streaming in less than 60 days. But at some point, we're just going to get CGI and AI shitfests on streaming services because it is no longer feasible to make movies for the theaters.
It's weird: I feel more optimistic about movies and moviegoing than I have in a while. Remember Dune II was pretty huge. And remember Furiosa is a rated-R, offbeat action movie; as much as Fury Road paved the way (ha ha) for Furiosa, the audience is narrow. The high-profile, big-budget releases are getting attention for their inability to pull in profits, but midsize and low-budget features released by entities such as A24 and Neon are doing better than ever.

I'd like to posit we're already past a certain breaking point, and what we're seeing now is the experience/industry settling into a new mode. 5-10 years ago I'd say the problem is studios keep engineering four-quadrant blockbusters which appease everyone but please no one, out of hopes of recouping a $150-200 budget. Covid closures and superhero fatigue basically demolished this model. While streaming services have been eating the mid and low budget market's lunch by scooping up movies and dumping them on their services, they're starting to come around to the fact that a theatrical release window is money on the table.

I'm noticing the indie and foreign market picking up somewhat, reflected both in box office and awards success; I think we're moving away from the movies being a family outing where you sink $100 into tickets and concessions, but individuals or small groups seeing smaller, more specifically-targeted movies is on the rise. Cineplexes are becoming untenable to run, but smaller screens where curated selections and thoughtful snacks are able to draw in loyal movie freaks.

eta: I wonder how much Barbenheimer is indicative of "narrower" (as narrowly aimed as two mainstream corporate blockbusters could be) films winning out; these movies were highly anticipated more for the artists making them than the spectacle being put before us, and they ostensibly fit into convenient demographic categories. For the first time in a while an opening weekend wasn't about the movie opening vs. the alternatives riding its wake, there was an "equal" choice put before us: see one, the other, or see 'em both. People went to Barbie dressed up in pink as a personal expression, and not just for the Thursday night previews. Earlier today on his insta story Hanif Abdurriqib mentioned enjoying writing about live music more than recorded music because the act of witnessing was an important part of the experience; I think moviegoing will always have that appeal to a certain set, and I have some optimism that not only will there always be a market for that, the market will recognize and lean into how witnessing communally is why we go to the movies rather than stay home.
 
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All we have here is AMC now, unfortunately. But they have a program like that too. It's only $21 a month and you can see 3 movies a week. It's a wild deal and pays for itself incredibly easily. It's also pushed me to go to the theater more this year.
I would do this but the Sacramento area is the first place I've lived in California where we have no AMCs.
 
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From Russia With Love
GoldenEye
Dr. No
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
The Spy Who Loved Me
Thunderball
Tomorrow Never Dies
You Only Live Twice
Live And Let Die
Moonraker
The Living Daylights
For Your Eyes Only
The Man With The Golden Gun
Licence To Kill
Diamonds Are Forever
A View To A Kill
Octopussy

Rank (Song):
Shirley Bassey - "Diamonds Are Forever"
Shirley Bassey - "Goldfinger"
Tina Turner - "GoldenEye"
Gladys Knight - "License To Kill"
The John Barry Orchestra - "James Bond Theme"
Nancy Sinatra - "You Only Live Twice"
Sheena Easton - "For Your Eyes Only"
Louis Armstrong - "We Have All The Time In The World"
Carly Simon - "Nobody Does It Better"
Shirley Bassey - "Moonraker"
Sheryl Crow - "Tomorrow Never Dies"
Tom Jones - "Thunderball"
Paul McCartney - "Live And Let Die"
Lulu - "The Man With The Golden Gun"
Duran Duran - "A View To A Kill"
The John Berry Orchestra - "On Her Majesty's Secret Service"
Matt Monro - "From Russia With Love"
Rita Coolidge - "All Time High"
a-ha - "The Living Daylights"
 
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