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RenegadeMonster said:
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So I guess you don't have to self-quarantine while you wait for the results? That shouldn't be happening over here because you have to stay home waiting for the result. But we're actually heading towards a different issue because it can take days to get results. So knowing that you have to stay home for days once you get a test (or stay home with your kids if they are tested), people may not get tested unless they have clear symptoms or they are told to by the health authorities.
 
Goatfish said:
We could never do what Sweden did as an entire country, but perhaps a more measured approach is needed on a state by state or even county by county basis. Our country is more akin to the entire European Union in terms of heterogeneity and population, but our healthcare system is a mess and our population is extremely individualistic.

However, Sweden got hammered for their approach and their deaths per million are better than Belgium, UK, Spain, and Italy. We also don't have the full picture yet. Spain has relatively unaffected areas spiking again, and I fully expect second waves come fall/winter in other countries that locked down hard unless a vaccine comes.

We will be able to make that "death toll" call next year, but it was too early to excoriate their approach given their specific circumstances back in April/May or even now.
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We could never do what Sweden did because we do not have universal health care. The thing that would help the most for everyone is if legislation was passed that guarantees any expense related to coronavirus gets covered by the government at 100%. If we don't pass this legislation but continue to open everything up, we are heartless idiots.
wokeupnew said:
It's so strange to me to see people say "I don't wanna be someone's guinea pig!"

like.... there are currently several stages of trials with thousands of people who are already doing that. When they approve and mass produce they are saying that it is safe and effective for mass use. People are idiots.



This is the only thing that makes sense^ if the supply is short, let those have it first who really need it.
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What happens if you take this and you have something like a suspected autoimmune condition prior to taking the vaccine? In these trials, are they only using adults? (the answer is probably adults only) I do have a tough time trusting a vaccine unless there is some data about existing conditions and that risk--and I want hard science here. The other issue is that this is probably not being tested on kids because IRBs don't just give out a bunch of okays to experiment on kids. It is hard for me to want to give my kids this vaccine before it's been widely tested in children.

abcnews.go.com

In the race for a vaccine, children may be last to be vaccinated

Even as scientists race to develop a COVID-19 vaccine, experts acknowledge that children could be among the last members of society to be vaccinated.
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nolalady said:
We could never do what Sweden did because we do not have universal health care. The thing that would help the most for everyone is if legislation was passed that guarantees any expense related to coronavirus gets covered by the government at 100%. If we don't pass this legislation but continue to open everything up, we are heartless idiots.

What happens if you take this and you have something like a suspected autoimmune condition prior to taking the vaccine? In these trials, are they only using adults? (the answer is probably adults only) I do have a tough time trusting a vaccine unless there is some data about existing conditions and that risk--and I want hard science here. The other issue is that this is probably not being tested on kids because IRBs don't just give out a bunch of okays to experiment on kids. It is hard for me to want to give my kids this vaccine before it's been widely tested in children.

abcnews.go.com

In the race for a vaccine, children may be last to be vaccinated

Even as scientists race to develop a COVID-19 vaccine, experts acknowledge that children could be among the last members of society to be vaccinated.
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These two articles discuss the race to vaccines and some of the issues you rightfully bring up:

www.statnews.com

‘A huge experiment’: How the world made so much progress on a Covid-19 vaccine so fast

Experts warned a coronavirus vaccine could take years. So how are we moving so fast?
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A Covid-19 vaccine, amazingly, is close. Why am I so worried?

Despite pressure to approve thalidomide in 1960, the FDA's Frances Oldham Kelsey said "no" after spotting a toxicity risk. May her spirit inspire today's FDA leaders if asked to approve a Covid-19 vaccine that isn't ready.
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The underlying issue is that we may very well have convincing data on efficacy by the fall, especially if the vaccines are being tested in high incidence areas like the US and Brazil. But that is not enough time to really understand if there are any serious side effects.

The troubling thing is that your administration may want to force the approval of an effective (but unclear if safe) vaccine to create an "October surprise".
 
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Turbo said:
The troubling thing is that your administration may want to force the approval of an effective (but unclear if safe) vaccine to create an "October surprise".
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this is my wife's concern. trust me, we're just about the furthest thing from being anti-vaxx but the Trump administration has loosened the guidelines in so many instances that there is a real concern that this could be pushed out the door before it is really known what side effects there may be. with her line of work she'll be required to get the vaccine early on. even Bill Gates had said things back in April to the effect of that if enough trials (like animal testing) aren't done he won't release the vaccine without indemnity.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
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Australia imposes strict new virus measures in Victoria as early successes unravel | CNN

About 5 million people in Australia's second-most populous city Melbourne are contending with some of the harshest restrictions ever imposed on the city, after authorities declared a "state of disaster" on Sunday.
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Thinking about this more. Melbourne is taking strict action when new daily numbers are only 671 new cases in a day. When compared to Florida, who is taking no action and has 3.5 times the population and 15x the number of daily cases is doing nothing. It shows where our political priorities lie. Health, lives and wellbeing for our population is what's most important here in the United States.
 
www.theguardian.com

Covid-19 treatment: Gilead Sciences urged to study drug that showed promise with cats

GS-441524 has been used to treat a coronavirus in cats but activists accuse company of pushing remdesivir to boost profit
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Activists are calling on the pharmaceutical firm Gilead Sciences to study a drug for the treatment of Covid-19 that showed promise in curing cats of a coronavirus.

The drug, called GS-441524, is chemically related to remdesivir, an antiviral also made by Gilead, and one of the only treatments to successfully shorten the duration of Covid-19 recovery.

There's a FB group "FIP Warriors" where members swap information on how to obtain (from China) the drug, often for thousands of dollars a dose.
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RenegadeMonster said:
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Opinion: The US food system is killing Americans

Akash Goel, Michel Nischan, Bill Frist and Tom Coliccio write that now, more than ever, it is critical to address nutrition insecurity in America head on. While food insecurity is about providing more food, nutrition insecurity is about providing the right food, so we and our children can build...
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From the article:
Programs born of good intent for reasons of national security and convenience no longer fit the bill. Instead of keeping our children and most vulnerable healthy and productive, we are now sicker than we were post-Depression. A 2018 report filed by Mission: Readiness, a council of retired admirals and generals who advocate for policies that help kids stay healthy, in school and out of trouble, stated that, "In the United States, 71 percent of young people between the ages of 17 and 24 do not qualify for military service," noting exceptionally high rates of obesity starting as early as age 2.
The numbers have flipped, and so have the health conditions. Fewer Americans are physically ready for work and war than in 1945, yet, instead of being underweight and malnourished, they are overweight and malnourished.
Now during this pandemic, our industrialized food system, optimized for efficiency over resilience, seems to be failing. One only has to witness farmers dumping milk and fresh produce and see the Depression-era-style lines wrapped around food banks to realize the depths of our food crisis. Now is the time to both address nutrition insecurity and support regional and specialty farmers.

The first time this issue pinged on my radar was when I was finishing up school and working for a public health non profit in NOLA. We were seeing extreme "food deserts" in the NOLA neighborhoods that were hit hardest by H. Katrina. A food desert is a place with no grocery store access to fresh foods like fruit, veggies and meat. These neighborhoods are often kept afloat by small convenience stores, but unlike a New York bodega, our NOLA stores only sold convenience foods, nothing fresh. We worked with these small corner stores and got subsidies for them so they could add fruit and veggies to their stores. This was always a problem, but we didn't have a massive event to clue us in until now. We throw away so much nutritionally dense foods due to spoilage and our current programs are focused on calories instead of nutritional value. I really, really hope that we start to re-examine our food production and pivot away from calorically dense but nutritionally devoid foods as staples of the American diet and start talking about nutritional value in a real way. Local farmers should be shipping food to school cafeterias, not Tyson or ConAgra.
 
www.cnn.com

Second grader tests positive for coronavirus after attending the first day of school in Georgia

A Georgia second grader tested positive for Covid-19 after attending the first day of school, the school district told CNN.
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Quit my job, or risk serious illness? Parents and teachers face grueling decisions as schools reopen

"I am actually afraid for my life," says one teacher with asthma who just learned students will be in her classroom in a few weeks. "I'm not going to be able to teach any children if I am having to take extended medical leave or if I die." But if classes stay online, millions of working parents...
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Florida has now recorded 6 deaths of kids/teenagers.

To date, the youngest child included in Florida’s COVID-19 death toll is a 9-year-old girl from Putnam County. The other deaths were an 11-year-old boy from Miami-Dade, an 11-year-old girl from Broward County, a 16-year-old girl from Lee County and a 17-year-old from Pasco County.

A 19-year-old male from Gadsden County is also included in Florida’s COVID-19 death toll, but because he is older than 18 he is not counted in the state’s pediatric report.
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However, Florida continues to move forward with plans to reopen all schools. The general attitude is deaths of kids are quite rare an acceptable losses we must face so the economy does not suffer.
 
wokeupnew said:
this is everything that is wrong with this country right now
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Yup, and did you happen to catch Trump's interview with Jonathan Swan of Axios yesterday, or at least highlights from it. Tump totally dug himself into a hole there. It was so bad.

When asked about the current deaths in the US Trump's answer was "It is what it is". When pushed further about COVID-19 deaths and the US being the worst in the world Trump said that is not true at all. He starts looking at graphs / printouts in hand is starts listing off how we are actually doing better than China, South Korea, Most Europe. Jonathan Swan was dumbfounded and had no idea what Trump was talking about. Trump could tell this and to prove the point Trump shares his Graph. Then Jonathan Swan picked up on it. Trump's data was based on deaths per positive test. Not deaths per capita. And he called Trump out on that. Trump's response was you can't go by deaths per capita. You can't do that.


Trump also said multiple times during the interview that we are doing an amazing job. We are doing everything that we possible can.
 
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This is also a trend I have been seeing on snapchat. Quite a few people I follow who are either servers or a server as a second job have been posting on their stories that are way down. People keep stiffing them because they are angry over masks or that they were told no when they wanted to sit at a particular table or booth, but were told no because of social distancing measures. Only every other booth can be filled. People don't like to be told no or what to do. And they are taking out their frustrations with their tips.

For example, yesterday from in Florida someone's lunch came to $28. They paid with a $50 bill. Left no tip. This person also had chewed the servers ear off about having to wear a mask to get into the place and be seated.

To make matters worse, because of lower capacities in restaurants, many have initiated tip pooling and including the bus staff in the pool. With tips being a substantial portion of their wages they can't make a living off of this. At least 2 servers I follow who are in their late 20's had to move back in with their parents because they can't afford rent. Their restaurant never closed and they were never laid off or eligible for unemployment. They have just seen a drastic reduction in trips.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
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This is also a trend I have been seeing on snapchat. Quite a few people I follow who are either servers or a server as a second job have been posting on their stories that are way down. People keep stiffing them because they are angry over masks or that they were told no when they wanted to sit at a particular table or booth, but were told no because of social distancing measures. Only every other booth can be filled. People don't like to be told no or what to do. And they are taking out their frustrations with their tips.

For example, yesterday from in Florida someone's lunch came to $28. They paid with a $50 bill. Left no tip. This person also had chewed the servers ear off about having to wear a mask to get into the place and be seated.

To make matters worse, because of lower capacities in restaurants, many have initiated tip pooling and including the bus staff in the pool. With tips being a substantial portion of their wages they can't make a living off of this. At least 2 servers I follow who are in their late 20's had to move back in with their parents because they can't afford rent. Their restaurant never closed and they were never laid off or eligible for unemployment. They have just seen a drastic reduction in trips.
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This is some straight up Bullshit.
 
nolalady said:
From the article:
Programs born of good intent for reasons of national security and convenience no longer fit the bill. Instead of keeping our children and most vulnerable healthy and productive, we are now sicker than we were post-Depression. A 2018 report filed by Mission: Readiness, a council of retired admirals and generals who advocate for policies that help kids stay healthy, in school and out of trouble, stated that, "In the United States, 71 percent of young people between the ages of 17 and 24 do not qualify for military service," noting exceptionally high rates of obesity starting as early as age 2.
The numbers have flipped, and so have the health conditions. Fewer Americans are physically ready for work and war than in 1945, yet, instead of being underweight and malnourished, they are overweight and malnourished.
Now during this pandemic, our industrialized food system, optimized for efficiency over resilience, seems to be failing. One only has to witness farmers dumping milk and fresh produce and see the Depression-era-style lines wrapped around food banks to realize the depths of our food crisis. Now is the time to both address nutrition insecurity and support regional and specialty farmers.

The first time this issue pinged on my radar was when I was finishing up school and working for a public health non profit in NOLA. We were seeing extreme "food deserts" in the NOLA neighborhoods that were hit hardest by H. Katrina. A food desert is a place with no grocery store access to fresh foods like fruit, veggies and meat. These neighborhoods are often kept afloat by small convenience stores, but unlike a New York bodega, our NOLA stores only sold convenience foods, nothing fresh. We worked with these small corner stores and got subsidies for them so they could add fruit and veggies to their stores. This was always a problem, but we didn't have a massive event to clue us in until now. We throw away so much nutritionally dense foods due to spoilage and our current programs are focused on calories instead of nutritional value. I really, really hope that we start to re-examine our food production and pivot away from calorically dense but nutritionally devoid foods as staples of the American diet and start talking about nutritional value in a real way. Local farmers should be shipping food to school cafeterias, not Tyson or ConAgra.
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www.cnn.com

Kraft mac and cheese is now a breakfast food, apparently

Kraft wants you to wake up and smell the mac and cheese.
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Kraft wants you to wake up and smell the mac and cheese.
More Americans are eating at home as the pandemic spreads across the United States, and household routines are changing. So Kraft Heinz (KHC) announced Tuesday that it will rebrand its Kraft Macaroni and Cheese Dinner along with its iconic blue box.
It's not getting a full redesign: The company is just adding the word "breakfast" — instead of dinner — to encourage Americans to start their day with neon orange cheesy noodles.
The company hopes the new "breakfast" label could take away some of the shame that's associated with parents serving their kids easy-to-make non-breakfast foods in the morning.
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Yes, let's get more processed food into our diet.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
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This is also a trend I have been seeing on snapchat. Quite a few people I follow who are either servers or a server as a second job have been posting on their stories that are way down. People keep stiffing them because they are angry over masks or that they were told no when they wanted to sit at a particular table or booth, but were told no because of social distancing measures. Only every other booth can be filled. People don't like to be told no or what to do. And they are taking out their frustrations with their tips.

For example, yesterday from in Florida someone's lunch came to $28. They paid with a $50 bill. Left no tip. This person also had chewed the servers ear off about having to wear a mask to get into the place and be seated.

To make matters worse, because of lower capacities in restaurants, many have initiated tip pooling and including the bus staff in the pool. With tips being a substantial portion of their wages they can't make a living off of this. At least 2 servers I follow who are in their late 20's had to move back in with their parents because they can't afford rent. Their restaurant never closed and they were never laid off or eligible for unemployment. They have just seen a drastic reduction in trips.
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That's hard to believe. I am generally tipping in the 40% range these days BECAUSE these people are risking their lives to serve food. Note, I actually only ate at a restaurant while traveling and stopped at the same place both ways since they have great food and outside seating and mask requirements (shout out to Tomato Head in Knoxville on Kingston Pike). I have done carry out a few times as well and still tip huge. I was actually assuming most people were increasing the tips substantially.
 
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