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U.S. Offered ‘Large Sum’ to German Company for Access to Coronavirus Vaccine Research, German Officials Say (Published 2020)

The United States says it will share any vaccine breakthroughs with the world, but German officials appeared rattled by its reported overture to a biotech firm.
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According to the German newspaper Die Welt am Sonntag, which first reported the story on Sunday, Mr. Trump offered CureVac roughly $1 billion in exchange for exclusive access to the vaccine. The newspaper quoted an unnamed German government source who said Mr. Trump wanted the resulting vaccine “only for the United States.”

But another German official, reached by The New York Times, said it was unclear whether the administration simply wanted the research work, and for any resulting production to be on American soil.
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Imperial College London have released a paper.



Conclusion
Perhaps our most significant conclusion is that mitigation is unlikely to be feasible without emergency surge capacity limits of the UK and US healthcare systems being exceeded many times over. In the most effective mitigation strategy examined, which leads to a single, relatively short epidemic (case isolation, household quarantine and social distancing of the elderly), the surge limits for both general ward and ICU beds would be exceeded by at least 8-fold under the more optimistic scenario for critical care requirements that we examined. In addition, even if all patients were able to be treated, we predict there would still be in the order of 250,000 deaths in GB, and 1.1-1.2 million in the US.

In the UK, this conclusion has only been reached in the last few days, with the refinement of estimates of likely ICU demand due to COVID-19 based on experience in Italy and the UK (previous planning estimates assumed half the demand now estimated) and with the NHS providing increasing certainty around the limits of hospital surge capacity.

We therefore conclude that epidemic suppression is the only viable strategy at the current time. The social and economic effects of the measures which are needed to achieve this policy goal will be profound. Many countries have adopted such measures already, but even those countries at an earlier stage of their epidemic (such as the UK) will need to do so imminently.

Our analysis informs the evaluation of both the nature of the measures required to suppress COVID- 19 and the likely duration that these measures will need to be in place. Results in this paper have informed policymaking in the UK and other countries in the last weeks. However, we emphasise that is not at all certain that suppression will succeed long term; no public health intervention with such disruptive effects on society has been previously attempted for such a long duration of time. How populations and societies will respond remains unclear.
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I've been trying to keep up with this but I admit I might have missed the discussion. Does anyone think they already had this? My wife was really sick a month ago. No real "cold" symptoms, just a fever, cough, and shortness of breath. She never takes more than a day off work, and was out three days and stayed in bed for the three days and the weekend. I guess we'll never know, but I'm thinking maybe she had it already.
 
Kris said:
I've been trying to keep up with this but I admit I might have missed the discussion. Does anyone think they already had this? My wife was really sick a month ago. No real "cold" symptoms, just a fever, cough, and shortness of breath. She never takes more than a day off work, and was out three days and stayed in bed for the three days and the weekend. I guess we'll never know, but I'm thinking maybe she had it already.
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I’m not saying yes or no because I’m not a doctor, but if I were to have those symptoms now, I’d be getting tested for it.

I do suspect that it’s been out in the wild here before we realized it. A few of my truck driver friends have had a case of “the flu” that had those symptoms in the last month to 6 weeks.
 
Kris said:
I've been trying to keep up with this but I admit I might have missed the discussion. Does anyone think they already had this? My wife was really sick a month ago. No real "cold" symptoms, just a fever, cough, and shortness of breath. She never takes more than a day off work, and was out three days and stayed in bed for the three days and the weekend. I guess we'll never know, but I'm thinking maybe she had it already.
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Not impossible. You may have had it too and had no symptoms. Data from the Diamond Princess counted 55% of cases as positive for covid-19 but exhibited no symptoms (380 asymptomatic of 691 positives). Those people were probably still infectious though. This thing is insidious as hell and essentially nobody had immunity.

From this article:

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80% of COVID-19 patients experience 'mild' symptoms — but that likely still involves a fever and cough

A mild case of the coronavirus probably feels more severe than you'd expect. It almost certainly involves a fever.
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Turbo said:
Not impossible. You may have had it too and had no symptoms. Data from the Diamond Princess counted 55% of cases as positive for covid-19 but exhibited no symptoms (380 asymptomatic of 691 positives). Those people were probably still infectious though. This thing is insidious as hell and essentially nobody had immunity.

From this article:

www.businessinsider.com

80% of COVID-19 patients experience 'mild' symptoms — but that likely still involves a fever and cough

A mild case of the coronavirus probably feels more severe than you'd expect. It almost certainly involves a fever.
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But yeah, ONLY PEOPLE WITH SYMPTOMS NEED TO GET TESTED, SURE.
 
So, to preface the pics to follow, we stock up on dry goods and food necessities throughout the year anyway. I’m not a preppier or anything but family dynamics necessitate me buying staples in bulk when they’re on sale. For instance, at any given point during the year we have 10 bags of flour, 10 bags of sugar, 15 boxes of salt, etc in our pantry. Plus tons of dried legumes etc. So the sort of food hoarding we’re seeing on the news doesn’t really affect me. I have a freezer full of meat as well but we don’t eat much meat outside of seafood all that often.

Currently, we are low on butter and cheap beer to make bread (not going to use the good beer for baking). So my genius ass decides to go to the store to pick some up. I was in for a shock. Way out here in suburbia land, on the edge of Phoenix shit is WILD. Like thanksgiving meal, morning of shopping kind of wild. I’m watching grown adult quietly weep as they push their children in a cart when they hit the meat aisle and there is not any meat except for steak at 13.99 a lb. no butter, no eggs, no sugar, etc etc. aisle after aisle. I wandered around the store just to see what the damage was and to do a bit of people watching. People are in full on panic mode in the highly affluent, well-heeled neighborhood grocery store.

I did not realize it was hitting this hard in these areas.My heart goes out for the families that have never learned to cook with dry staples and are not accustomed to not eating meat. I felt for these folks. But more than anything my heart broke a bit watching elderly couples slowly walk through the store realizing that they have effectively been priced out of buying the things they are used to eating with all supermarket price gouging chicanery. I may have paid for a couples entire cart. Big ole softy over here.

pics are wild

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Kris said:
I've been trying to keep up with this but I admit I might have missed the discussion. Does anyone think they already had this? My wife was really sick a month ago. No real "cold" symptoms, just a fever, cough, and shortness of breath. She never takes more than a day off work, and was out three days and stayed in bed for the three days and the weekend. I guess we'll never know, but I'm thinking maybe she had it already.
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I think I may have possibly had it. I had symptoms of a stomach flu early last week, mucus cough with phlegm and then Thursday and Friday feverish conditions. My temperature never went above 100 but I was feeling very warm. I was taking cold and cough medicine and pepto bismol and now I feel fine. I have no idea if I did have it or not, but I’m taking precautions to not expose myself to anyone for at least another week. It may not have been the Coronavirus because my girlfriend would have definitely caught it from me and she’s been fine the whole time. So who knows. But it definitely was not the best time to get sick. My anxiety was not a fan.
 
In Connecticut:

Schools are closed.
The governor FINALLY enforced that all restaurants and bars need to shut down by 8pm tonight for the next few weeks, which means I don't need to cancel gigs because they don't exist for the next four weeks.

I love being around my wife and kids more, and it's cool to interact with my students on Google Classroom! I feel like they type things to me that they would normally not want to because of "cool factor" which is really heart-melting.

But I miss my parents.

My brother is an ER nurse. Currently, his living situation is with them. I begged him to figure out alternate living weeks ago, but to no avail.
My parents are in their early 70's. This thing is a more than 50% chance of a death sentence for them in their condition if they get it.

And it fucking kills me that last Thursday could've been the last time I get to see one of them or they get to see their grandkids.

I hate to be so personal here, but it hurts really bad right now. I don't know how else to feel.
 
wokeupnew said:
I think I may have possibly had it. I had symptoms of a stomach flu early last week, mucus cough with phlegm and then Thursday and Friday feverish conditions. My temperature never went above 100 but I was feeling very warm. I was taking cold and cough medicine and pepto bismol and now I feel fine. I have no idea if I did have it or not, but I’m taking precautions to not expose myself to anyone for at least another week. It may not have been the Coronavirus because my girlfriend would have definitely caught it from me and she’s been fine the whole time. So who knows. But it definitely was not the best time to get sick. My anxiety was not a fan.
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iirc dry cough is a primary symptom so your wet cough points to maybe not.
 
dhodo said:
But yeah, ONLY PEOPLE WITH SYMPTOMS NEED TO GET TESTED, SURE.
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Theoretically everyone should get tested but nearly no country is able to do this in the moment. But i think rigorous testing and isolation of the positives is important in the beginning stages . Singapore or vietman did that succesfully. Europe and the us are past this point. No matter how much Resources we put in testing we won't be able to find all positives. So we just test those with stronger symptons in case they have to be treated in hospital and isolated accordingly there. Thats why we shut down everything, because the window for testing every suspected case and isolating is gone. One can discussed when this was botched and by whom but frankly we can do that in fhe aftermath, now other things are more important like rAmling up capacities for treatment.
 
Jan said:
Theoretically everyone should get tested but nearly no country is able to do this in the moment. But i think rigorous testing and isolation of the positives is important in the beginning stages . Singapore or vietman did that succesfully. Europe and the us are past this point. No matter how much Resources we put in testing we won't be able to find all positives. So we just test those with stronger symptons in case they have to be treated in hospital and isolated accordingly there. Thats why we shut down everything, because the window for testing every suspected case and isolating is gone. One can discussed when this was botched and by whom but frankly we can do that in fhe aftermath, now other things are more important like rAmling up capacities for treatment.
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South Korea I believe is the only country that has been able to test every body. Sure, not the entire country was tested, but with the early testing and testing so many people they have a handle on it. I heard cases are starting to go down now.
 
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