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DownIsTheNewUp said:
Yes, but that again misses the larger point. Minimizing the economic impact meant minimizing the # of cases via a national shutdown and ample testing. The fact that we still haven't implemented a national shutdown is a sad joke-- and means the economic impact will likely be long standing while random states continue to ebb and flow in their handling of the situation.
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It is much bigger than that. 84% of employment in this country is considered service sector. Sure, plenty of white collar folks can work from home, as this group here shows. But tens of millions are sitting at home right now furloughed, laid off, or just plain without a job right now. I don’t have, and never have, claim to have the answers. All I know is that the government can’t take over enough stuff, or print enough money to make this all better. All I’m trying to say is ease off on the folks who are focusing on the economic side. Some of us focus on the business stuff and leave the doctoring stuff to the doctors in our family. Or to put it another way, after 16 years I can still watch Grey’s Anatomy and find a medical crisis of the week interesting Instead of ridiculous.
 
dhodo said:
True, but unfortunately, neither are so simple. If everyone goes back to work tomorrow, the economy will still be down if only because people are (rightfully and realistically) scared and won't go back to their normal spending and leaving the home habits until it has begun to subside. Sure, some will, but when we get to the point that everyone knows several people who have been in ICU for two weeks and someone who has died because they weren't the best candidate for a ventilator, it won't be back to normal.
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Like I said I don’t have the answers and I don’t know where that Balance is. I’m just trying to say that it’s OK to start discussing where that balance is at.
 
Chucktshoes said:
The medical experts say that if we don’t stay locked down the infection rates will soar and people will die. Economist say that if we don’t get back to work the economy will completely crash and people will die.

They’re both right.
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I would say, we have passed the point of no return (or at least likely will be beyond that point very soon) with the economy, If they were gonna start ramping thing back up right now, I would think you would still be looking at months if not years for everything to get back to were it was pre-pandemic, IMO the worst thing the government could do now with the economy would be for them to "false start" where they tell everyone to go back to business as usual then there is a second infection wave where they have to shut everything down again. I think the best thing that can happen now is for Congress to pass it's bill, and then for everyone to stay isolated until we can flatten out the infection rate. Then slowly ramp things back up. Leadership needs to come up with a plan to get the workforce going again. I agree the echo chamber of the internet allows for overreaction on all sides of the ideology spectrum but I really think most people with common sense are all on the same page. After all, I don't agree with Liz Cheney on much of anything but she was 100% right with this.

 
Chucktshoes said:
The medical experts say that if we don’t stay locked down the infection rates will soar and people will die. Economist say that if we don’t get back to work the economy will completely crash and people will die.

They’re both right.
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Except this really is a health issue so you listen to scientists and medical professionals first. Economists can concentrate what industries can be shored-up/flourish while this is happening (while following sanitary guidelines), and on how to get things back on track when we get to the other side. Now is the time to fight for our lives.

In the meantime, the waffling and mixed messaging has already sentenced thousands to death.
 
We've passed the 10,000 new cases in a single day for the first time. Hopefully we won't pass 200 deaths for the first time, but it is unfortunately looking close.

Edit: They keep adjusting cases around, so now 3/23 is the first over and is over 11,000 and sadly 3/24 did exceed 200 deaths.
 
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Senate approves historic $2 trillion stimulus deal amid growing coronavirus fears

The Senate on Wednesday approved a historic, $2 trillion stimulus package to provide a jolt to an economy reeling from the coronavirus pandemic, capping days of intense negotiations that produced one of the most expensive and far-reaching measures Congress has ever considered.
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Looks like it was a late night for the lawmakers.
 
The economy is fucked either way. We know one course of action leads to lots of death and the spread being worse, this is fact based on what has happened everywhere else with this thing. The other reduces death and spread. Seems obvious to me but capitalists have to capitalist.
 
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Turbo said:
Trump says there will be suicides "by the thousands" if businesses don't re-open soon.

He's basically saying that losing thousands to suicides is worse than losing hundreds of thousands to COVID. Interesting value system.
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Aren't those who commit suicide because of a crash mostly people who are wealthy and have lost most of their wealth? That is what happened during the great depression.

I'm sure with mental health issues being more rampant as well there may be rampant depression among extraverts.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Aren't those who commit suicide because of a crash mostly people who are wealthy and have lost most of their wealth? That is what happened during the great depression.

I'm sure with mental health issues being more rampant as well there may be rampant depression among extraverts.
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For sure it will happen. This is going to be tough on a lot of us, for different reasons. But I doubt it happens at the same scale as the other problem.

Though, instead of just spouting his mouth, maybe it might be a good time for them to invest in mental health and be reassuring but truthful.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Aren't those who commit suicide because of a crash mostly people who are wealthy and have lost most of their wealth? That is what happened during the great depression.
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No. It affects people who have given everything to ventures that they care deeply about and have seen it destroyed, often in an extremely short space of time and through no fault of their own. People confronted with the reality that the means by which they support themselves and their dependents have been destroyed. People who are- bar a slight change in their employment circumstances- are no different to anyone else.

There's the faintest whiff in some posts here that the fallout of COVID19 is some sort of great societal leveller. Bluntly, that's little different in its complicity toward death than the calls for people to return to work.
 
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