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This reminds me of when jehovas witnesses tried to calculate the day the world ends from the bible. I think they stopped that after a couple of that dates went by without anything happening..

In a lot of cases, failed predictions lead some people to double down on their beliefs, so some fall away but those who stay get stronger and stronger in their faith. Pretty much every American-founded religious group with a large following today has a few failed prophecies from its early days (and, fittingly enough, a lot of them were also connected in some way with whatever conspiracy theories were hot at the time).

This time is pretty weird, though...

 
Are you assuming the employee will have paid vacation, or work 52 weeks/year?
Oh, That is a best case scenario projection. Lots of Minimum wage employees aren’t even full time and work multiple jobs with zero benefits. I just wanted to show that $15 an hour is at best, just a slight step about poverty. No one would be living large off that.
 
This is pretty interesting, regarding minimum & living wage and where it works best:


This is because minimum wage and living wage (how much you actually need to earn to get by) aren’t the same thing. The federal minimum wage in the US is $7.25 an hour, but the living wage in many US cities is much higher.

States and some cities set their own minimum wages to help their citizens break even. While this makes it easier for breadwinners to put food on the table, not all states or cities take this step. Even cities and states that increase the minimum wage almost never set the threshold at the living wage.
 
The whole Alternative Facts thing. I heard an expert explain that certain people are very susceptible to them at the right time in their life.

I wonder what makes that happen.
I know that you are struggling with your father and my heart goes out to you. I know there aren't a lot of things I can do to help you out, but I can answer this question. There are a couple times when the brain changes drastically in adult life--once in your early 20's when everything gets cemented in, and again, in old age--around age 60-65.

The most consistent change is cognitive slowing. Age-related slowing is also evident on certain attentional tasks, such as trying to grasp a telephone number when someone rattles it off quickly. Overall, cognitive slowing is thought to be a contributing factor in elderly people’s higher rate of automobile accidents per miles driven.2

Age hinders attention, particularly when it is necessary to multitask. When switching from one task to another, the elderly have more difficulty paying attention to multiple lanes of traffic, for example, or noticing if someone is about to step off a curb at a busy intersection. Processing information rapidly and dividing attention effectively are cognitive skills that peak in young adulthood. How fortunate it is that college and vocational students are typically at an age when the brain is working with optimum efficiency.

Similarly, the ability to keep multiple pieces of information in mind at the same time is another skill that peaks around ages 18 to 20 and becomes more difficult thereafter.


The Pew Research Center recently found that more than 60 percent of people between the ages of 50 and 65 are now on at least one social network. And, according to some studies, baby boomers, typically defined as those born between 1946 and 1964, now spend even more time online than millennials.

Most revealing, though, is what studies have found when it comes to how baby boomers use the internet and social media. Boomers take action based on what they see and read online. They are 19 percent more likely to share content than any other generation, especially when it comes to political content. While boomers are most likely to seek out more information on something they come across on the internet, a study found that only 10 percent of them share information with the intent of educating their online audience. Boomers are opinionated and share content as long as it's meaningful to them.

However, boomers, a majority of which voted for Donald Trump, didn't grow up with the internet, and didn't develop their relationship with technology in the same was as subsequent generations. They're soaking up the latest tech but they may not necessarily be as skeptical of less mainstream platforms like 4chan and 8chan (another, even fringier platform where Q now posts his/her/their latest updates), places where trolls reign supreme and people often fabricate events out of thin air just to get a rise out of others. Boomers are looking for political content to share, and these forums have plenty to give. Whether or not it's factual often takes a backseat to whether or not it's provocative.


I think with your dad, it's a combo of age coupled with the fact that boomers aren't the digital natives that millenials are. Older people have more problems with working memory but when you add in the realizations that our parents are less savvy internet users than we are, you start to get how they have issues. Older people have more trouble figuring out what articles are sponsored content and which are not. They have a tougher time weeding through the fake and the real, because they've never really been put in a position where they had to question news sources as much as us digital natives.

The other thing we really have to wrap our head around is we have to stop calling these people stupid. All the name calling exacerbates the tensions.
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Yes, yes, yes.
This is about as useful as the GOP calling Dems "snowflakes". How do you expect these people to listen to anything you are saying if you start with "Hey Stupid".
This has been a really good discussion the last couple of pages.

I wonder if there is a correlation between people susceptible to this type of Q nonsense and childhood trauma. Couple that with a deserved sense of anger and frustration at the overarching state of not only our country, but the world in general, and you have a real sense of dissatisfaction with a broad swath of the populace.

Specifically in the US, our system has been a broken and fractured one for at least two or three generations. The rise in corporatocracy within our system has left all but the top echelon disenfranchised. So it doesn’t matter what side of the political spectrum you fall under, the systemic inequality within US society leaves all of us out in the cold. It’s not so much class warfare, as it is class domination.
From the literature on cults:
Unprecedented escalation of secular and religious cults has necessitated further inquiry into more precise conditions under which individuals develop vulnerability and become converted by these groups. The present discussion focuses on a number of factors which seem to influence individuals' susceptibility and recruitment by cults. These variables include (a) generalized ego-weakness and emotional vulnerability, (b) propensities toward dissociative states, (c) tenuous, deteriorated, or nonexistent family relations and support systems, (d) inadequate means of dealing with exigencies of survival, (e) history of severe child abuse or neglect, (f) exposure to idiosyncratic or eccentric family patterns, (g) proclivities toward or abuse of controlled substances, (h) unmanageable and debilitating situational stress and crises, and (i) intolerable socioeconomic conditions.
Factors related to susceptibility and recruitment by cults - PubMed

So yes, but this is multifactorial. I would say that the most susceptible people are the forgotten, marginalized and those who are unable to adequately meet their needs economically and emotionally. While this does include some abused people, I think it has a much broader net and much more nuanced. I think that anyone could become susceptible if they don't have community and family support.

$15 an hour federal minimum wage is something Biden was to do in his first few weeks in office.

And all Republicans oppose it. There is already anger that "The Democrats" are going to shove this legislation down their throat because they now hold the majority in the senate with partisan politics further dividing America. They say it's bad policy because they have no support from the right side of the aisle.
Biden hasn't put a timeline on this. I think it's wishful thinking. I really hope it happens, but I won't believe it until I see it.
the thing is- if your entire business is so fragile and based on such a thin margin that you cannot survive the transition from exploiting your employees, then you do not deserve to have a business.
I was musing with my husband the other day about products and inflation.
I pointed out that most of our inflation calculations and justification for (not) paying people what we do had to do with the price of certain consumer goods. However, our supply chains have fundamentally changed since the 1970's when corporations started shipping jobs overseas and taking them away from Americans who were paid living wages. In the past 20 years, prices have not changed drastically for inexpensive consumer items (thus we as workers don't need that much money, right?) but the way these products are made--in sweat shops by exploited people--has changed. I argued that if we tried to price something like a t-shirt today, but made sure that everyone was fairly compensated for their labor or cotton, that the price of said shirt would be much greater. Our whole system is propped up on exploiting third world workers in order to keep the wheels on this consuming machine we call the US. The problem arises now that corporations have exploited workers in the third world to their breaking point, so they have decided to create share holder value by exploiting people here in the US.
 
So yes, but this is multifactorial. I would say that the most susceptible people are the forgotten, marginalized and those who are unable to adequately meet their needs economically and emotionally. While this does include some abused people, I think it has a much broader net and much more nuanced. I think that anyone could become susceptible if they don't have community and family support.
Besides cults, there is overlap here with other types of groups that promote a radical worldview. When the Islamic State first came to prominence and then dominance in the Levant, I read a lot of analysis as to why they were able to so successfully recruit fighters from Europe, the U.S., etc.

A lot of it relied on technology, of course, for communicating with people and logistics. But the actual psychological state of recruits was similar - marginalization, lack of economic and/or emotional fulfillment. If you look at the period, a lot of countries in Europe had high unemployment - even more so if you were a immigrant, So, there wasn't a clear future for these young (mostly) men and women. There also wasn't a sense of belonging - they were living in an adopted homeland, speaking an adopted primary language, most likely facing some degree of xenophobia and/or Islamophobia.

The Islamic State offered hope and purpose. They offered belonging - spiritual, communal, and physical (interesting juxtaposition here between al-Qaeda's use of The Caliphate as a mere ideological beacon, while IS established an actual, physical Caliph and Caliphate).

Any way, the similarities and tactics between cults and extremist groups (no matter the ideology - religious, supremacist, political, etc) shouldn't be lost. Either way, the Kool Aid and fresh Nikes aren't worth the price of admission.
 
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