Pre-Order Thread

Joe Mac said:
it’s also profiteering and price fixing. Name another business in which you literally just copy the other blokes price complete independent of how much the fucking thing is costing you to manufacture and promote? And the whole eBay frenzy is becuse od manufactured scarcity. And it all stinks. All of it. So fuck them even if I still reserve the right to buy the odd thing they release that was originally released before I was born.
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I mean....most businesses base prices on what other competitors are charging. They all see how much they can get away with charging. They obviously don't copy and do the same exact price in every business sector, and a lot of times people will undercut others. These companies know they have a good thing going for them. If you can sell something limited for $125 a piece, why screw that up if you're a business? They are limiting to 10k at most for a lot of these. They take too long to print to do open runs (and it would be silly from a business perspective to do so). Most places say the One Steps take 8 months to press from start to putting it on the shelves. This kind of "price fixing" has been prevalent in records for a very long time. MoFis were $35 so AP started charging $35 and then $50 for 2xLPs. These are just even more amplified. One pressing plant controls all One Step production. I also would be willing to be that you can only really get a certain amount of pressings from a master tape on the One Steps. You're revisiting the master tape every 1,000 copies right? So it's not entirely like you can just scale up production to make money on much larger quantity.

I agree with ya and wish that someone would come out and charge way less for One Steps. I just see them getting more expensive before someone swoops in and presses them cheaper. Also, I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate here. The prices are crazy. But they are also the same if not less with inflation than what UHQR and audiophile companies were charging in the 80s for a similar product.
 
MikeH said:
I mean....most businesses base prices on what other competitors are charging. They all see how much they can get away with charging. They obviously don't copy and do the same exact price in every business sector, and a lot of times people will undercut others. These companies know they have a good thing going for them. If you can sell something limited for $125 a piece, why screw that up if you're a business? They are limiting to 10k at most for a lot of these. They take too long to print to do open runs (and it would be silly from a business perspective to do so). Most places say the One Steps take 8 months to press from start to putting it on the shelves. This kind of "price fixing" has been prevalent in records for a very long time. MoFis were $35 so AP started charging $35 and then $50 for 2xLPs. These are just even more amplified. One pressing plant controls all One Step production. I also would be willing to be that you can only really get a certain amount of pressings from a master tape on the One Steps. You're revisiting the master tape every 1,000 copies right? So it's not entirely like you can just scale up production to make money on much larger quantity.

I agree with ya and wish that someone would come out and charge way less for One Steps. I just see them getting more expensive before someone swoops in and presses them cheaper.
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Let’s just say that I clearly view the world drastically differently to you.
 
BjorgenFjorgen said:
People are gonna have to stop buying $125 records before they start charging less! C'mon folks, we can do it.
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I think what actually needs to happen is some completion who come into the market place and show that audiophile records sell for newer albums and that undercuts them by selling with a fair margin and no numbers. Wonder if anyone is crazy enough to forward me the capital 🤔
 
Joe Mac said:
I think what actually needs to happen is some completion who come into the market place and show that audiophile records sell for newer albums and that undercuts them by selling with a fair margin and no numbers. Wonder if anyone is crazy enough to forward me the capital 🤔
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Pretty sure Qrates has a One Step option now available. But it's extra if you want the splatter. :LOL:
 
Joe Mac said:
I think what actually needs to happen is some completion who come into the market place and show that audiophile records sell for newer albums and that undercuts them by selling with a fair margin and no numbers. Wonder if anyone is crazy enough to forward me the capital 🤔
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I truly wonder how many pressings they can realistically do with One Step from an original master tape? Can they press 30,000 copies with 1,000 copies per stamper? I'd be willing to bet there is a limit especially for the good titles where master tapes aren't super accessible or in good shape. And in that case, you can't make up profit margins by selling more.

Someone could come along and do digitally recorded albums, sure. But why bother doing a One Step at that point? Just use the same vinyl formula (which....one company owns) to get that low noise floor and charge less. Maybe someone will come in and do that --although moFi is doing that now with the $75 supervinyl for a 1LP.

The music industry is and always has been greedy, pretty crooked and focused on money. It sure would be nice for some company to come in and say "we're gonna do a 1Lp One Step for $50". But I agree that we see the world differently from that standpoint. I just don't see it happening right now or anytime soon. Labels control the music rights and pricing. RTI controls the pricing for the One Steps as the only company who does it and owns the formula for the supervinyl. You're way more optimistic than I am about any of it it seems haha.

As long as they keep selling out $125 One Steps, the price will only go up from here. The only way I see it going down is if they hit on a bunch of duds at 10,000 copies and sit on them for years and realize theres no market for it. We aren't there (yet).
 
MikeH said:
I truly wonder how many pressings they can realistically do with One Step from an original master tape? Can they press 30,000 copies with 1,000 copies per stamper? I'd be willing to bet there is a limit especially for the good titles where master tapes aren't super accessible or in good shape. And in that case, you can't make up profit margins by selling more.

Someone could come along and do digitally recorded albums, sure. But why bother doing a One Step at that point? Just use the same vinyl formula (which....one company owns) to get that low noise floor and charge less. Maybe someone will come in and do that --although moFi is doing that now with the $75 supervinyl for a 1LP.

The music industry is and always has been greedy, pretty crooked and focused on money. It sure would be nice for some company to come in and say "we're gonna do a 1Lp One Step for $50". But I agree that we see the world differently from that standpoint. I just don't see it happening right now or anytime soon. Labels control the music rights and pricing. RTI controls the pricing for the One Steps as the only company who does it and owns the formula for the supervinyl. You're way more optimistic than I am about any of it it seems haha.

As long as they keep selling out $125 One Steps, the price will only go up from here. The only way I see it going down is if they hit on a bunch of duds at 10,000 copies and sit on them for years and realize theres no market for it. We aren't there (yet).
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Not optimistic. The opposite. Jaded depressed, bored and waiting for the asteroid to hit these dinosaurs. The solution I’d like isn’t going to happen, as much as I want it to.

As for the other thing. When it comes to production there are alwsys other options and solutions if you want them to exist and have the force of will to make them happen.
 
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Rip_City said:
I'll never pay over $60, so I'm doing my part.
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For single LPs I think that is my cut off too. Well, there are a couple exceptions. The In Rainbow diskbox was close to $100 but that is technically a Boxset. The only other one I can think of that was more was my copy of Brightblack Morning Light’s Self-titled LP which is OOP and I doubt coming back into print any time soon. I think that one was approximately $68 shipped which was actually a really good price at the time. Beyond that I start getting sweaty at around $50.
 
Ginormousthumbs said:
Everybody has their price

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Fun Fact: “Mean” Gene Okerlund used to have a fast food restaurant chain call Mean Gene’s Burgers. They had a location across from the Junior College in East Peoria, IL. After ordering, the person taking your order would tell you to “Have A Mean One”.

Decent Burger. Probably shoulda purchased a T-shirt.
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djdavedk said:
Just saw this today also.

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From the Spiritualized® Twitter account:

*** Spaceman Reissue Program ***
Lazer Guided Melodies - the classic debut album reissued with new artwork on double 180-gram white vinyl
And new Lazer Guided Melodies merchandise based on the original, vintage designs
Available to pre-order now via spiritualized.com

Oh lord, can you hear me?

Spiritualized-US

Spiritualized-US
store-us.spiritualized.com store-us.spiritualized.com
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Does anyone know if the standard black isn't pressed at GZ? I've just had such poor experience with GZ...
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
Fun Fact: “Mean” Gene Okerlund used to have a fast food restaurant chain call Mean Gene’s Burgers. They had a location across from the Junior College in East Peoria, IL. After ordering, the person taking your order would tell you to “Have A Mean One”.

Decent Burger. Probably shoulda purchased a T-shirt.
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Not an original but you can buy them.

www.prowrestlingtees.com

Mean Gene's Burgers

<p>All T-shirts Are Sold By Wrestlers</p> <p>100% Preshrunk Heavyweight Cotton Tees</p> <p>Printed with DTG (Direct to Garment) Printers</p> <p>Washing Instructions: Turn shirt inside out. Wash on gentle, cold water. No bleach, Dry with low setting or hang dry for best results.</p>
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TenderLovingKiller® said:
For single LPs I think that is my cut off too. Well, there are a couple exceptions. The In Rainbow diskbox was close to $100 but that is technically a Boxset. The only other one I can think of that was more was my copy of Brightblack Morning Light’s Self-titled LP which is OOP and I doubt coming back into print any time soon. I think that one was approximately $68 shipped which was actually a really good price at the time. Beyond that I start getting sweaty at around $50.
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I think that’s my range, too. I’ll go up to $60 for a white whale. If it’s more than that, I’m better off waiting for a reissue or a major stroke of luck.
 
dhodo said:
For anyone not already entertained/annoyed by our struggles in the Hip Hop thread, there is a new Armand Hammer + The Alchemist - Haram up for pre order:

tw: pig heads

direct link to vinyl only

There is also tapes/cds/bundles/merch in the shop.

Site is not working great, to say the least. Credit card seems to work better than paypal.
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I thought about getting this, but I refuse to based on the hideous album cover alone.
 
Sonicpharmacist said:
I thought about getting this, but I refuse to based on the hideous album cover alone.
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Fair enough. I can dig the artistic statement but won't be hanging it on my wall for sure.

There is some hope that Alc might do an alt cover, as he is known to do for his releases, so keep an eye out. Looks like the Backwoodz version is showing sold out.
 
Twentytwo said:
Not an original but you can buy them.

www.prowrestlingtees.com

Mean Gene's Burgers

<p>All T-shirts Are Sold By Wrestlers</p> <p>100% Preshrunk Heavyweight Cotton Tees</p> <p>Printed with DTG (Direct to Garment) Printers</p> <p>Washing Instructions: Turn shirt inside out. Wash on gentle, cold water. No bleach, Dry with low setting or hang dry for best results.</p>
www.prowrestlingtees.com www.prowrestlingtees.com

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His neck is so thick it looks like he’s wearing a turtleneck
 
soulsteprecords said:
The most simple explanation is - the plant itself will not allow quantities in excess of 25. They are done with their own methods and are handmade. The cost per unit is quite high for the items themselves as well, compared to your standard vinyl. I really wish we could get them in larger numbers but the additional time it takes to make them is what holds them back I believe.

That's why we have the LTD/100 versions as well - so there are some beautiful wax to go around. Hope that answers the question!
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This explains them why Wax Vessel Records always does about 25 for each of their releases. They are a small Chicago label that specializes in very very limited 300 print, one time only, vinyl releases for sorta obscure Death Metal / MySpace Grindcore bands. Their other variants are some of the best I've ever seen and they sell out immediately each month when they do a drop. Secondhand prices for those records are insane.
 
Viking Dan said:
Anyone into Madchester and/or Compilations?
Resident just emailed me about this pre-order with photobook.
Ltd. Clear Variant if you get in early.

I feel like this might be something for @Joe Mac and other Doves devotees.

product not found! - resident

www.resident-music.com www.resident-music.com

Track List
lp 1
side a
a1. blur - young and lovely
a2. suede - he’s dead
a3. elastica - pussycat
a4. the auteurs - lenny valentino (original mix)
a5. echobelly - today, tomorrow, sometime, never (live, wetlands, new york)
a6. gene - be my light, be my guide
a7. menswear - i’ll manage somehow (original single mix)

side b
b1. the lightning seeds - lucifer sam
b2. ride - black nite crash
b3. the boo radleys - what’s in the box (see whatcha got)
b4. ash - does your mother know
b5. dodgy - grateful moon
b6. lush - ciao!
b7. pulp - razzmatazz (acoustic version)

lp 2
side c
c1. primal scream - jailbird (dust brothers remix)
c2. paul weller vs. portishead - wild wood (sheared wood remix)
c3. radiohead - planet telex (hexidecimalmix)
c4. supergrass - just dropped in (to see what condition my condition was in)
c5. marion - let’s all go together (slide mix)
c6. the bluetones - marblehead johnson

side d
d1. the charlatans - the two of us
d2. shed seven - dolphin
d3. kula shaker - tattva (lucky 13 mix)
d4. kenickie - in your car
d5. sleeper - atomic
d6. oasis - champagne supernova (brendan lynch mix)
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What no Happy Mondays or Inspiral Carpets? No Soup Dragons or Ned's Atomic DUSTBIN? No Stone Roses? Not even EMF?

Anyway this is a friggin' awesome compilation regardless.
 
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