Pre-Order Thread

Joe Mac said:
Should we have to? Should we have to say nah I don’t want this?



Perhaps, perhaps there are also better ways to garner sympathy and support from your fans, who are also going through shit with COVID, than joining the shitty gravy train.



That guy isn’t an artist, he’s an exploitative fucking scumbag.

I bought McCartney on CD, his voice is fucked, he’s not worth vinyl money, never mind limited vinyl money. He can still throw a tune together so I would like to hear.
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@Joe Mac, have you had your coffee this morning ;)
 
Joe Mac said:
Its 2pm. Is anything I’m saying wrong?
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No, nothing your saying is wrong, but it's a discussion and now poor Paul is only worthy of a CD purchase, lol. It's all opinions, this is the VMP "discussions" all over again. I get it, but who is doing what for what reason doesn't matter, we all have our own choice to make and we can blame the "dealer" all we want, WE make the purchase and keep coming back for more, that's all I'm saying.
 
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I mean, let's take the "usual suspects" out of the equation, the "contrived scarcity" pressings, 500 melt your face spatter versions, lol. Let's talk about MoFi, AS, Blue Note, why aren't they pressing some of their stuff in larger quantities so I don't have to spend $75 on a Chet Baker Tone Poet pressing? I mean, wouldn't selling more make them more money? And yet, for one reason or another, they limit the pressing to something.
 
AnthonyI said:
I mean, let's take the "usual suspects" out of the equation, the "contrived scarcity" pressings, 500 melt your face spatter versions, lol. Let's talk about MoFi, AS, Blue Note, why aren't they pressing some of their stuff in larger quantities so I don't have to spend $75 on a Chet Baker Tone Poet pressing? I mean, wouldn't selling more make them more money? And yet, for one reason or another, they limit the pressing to something.
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In the long run, no, I do not think it would make them more money. Keeping something in print costs money. It's warehouse space plus shelf space for record stores, etc. That doesn't even include the whole customer retainment side of it. Music Matters gets away with what it does because of the records being high quality and limited, plain and simple. They raise their prices as inventory gets low, which makes people experience FOMO and purchase them despite the shitty price hiking. This isn't something unique to vinyl at all. Look at something like streetwear/sneakers. Places like Supreme make things in very limited quantities, making them more collectible and giving the purchaser some kind of street cred/clout. It happens with vinyl too--limited records, especially when there is not really a comparable release quality-wise, are desirable, so people are willing to pay more for it. I know I'm guilty of spending too much on some records because I simply wanted a high quality version of it. The MM thing is interesting because ultimately, Blue Note realized they don't need a third party to do high quality releases. The Tone Poet quality is nearly identical to Music Matters (same team of Joe and Kevin behind them), but their MSRP is $35 (and I don't think I have paid more than $25 for any of them) while MM's starting price is $35 and goes up to as high as $80 or $90 when they get low in stock.

Just think about the logistics--doing one pressing of 1,000 copies or whatever of an album is quicker and cheaper than constantly repressing. The net costs in the long-run probably won't be ALL that different if you press less at a higher margin and then you're done with it. Plus you have the added bonus of FOMO + people seeing that one album sold out quickly so you better buy this other one as soon as it comes out.

Don't really understand your point on Chet Baker...that wasn't limited quantities at all. They have simply run out of printed copies and it hasn't gotten a repress. AFAIK, all the Tone Poets are on an unlimited run more or less.
 
The BN75 series was the smartest business decision that Blue Note has ever made. Super cheap pressings of jazz classics to introduce a whole new generation into jazz. They were cheap enough that people aren't afraid to double-dip and buy a better pressing of it later on. Even though a lot of the pressings weren't good in the US, it still got a lot of people hooked on Blue Note. And then with BN80 and Tone Poets, you have people paying a higher price point (but still pretty fair) for a higher quality product. Music Matters was great until they got jealous of flipper prices and took it out on the consumer AND record stores.
 
Ethos99 said:
I'm sure someone is doing the right thing or will soon, but how else can they replace touring dollars? I certainly can't gofundme every artist that is not touring

Maybe what The Avett brothers are doing with their speedway concerts?
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They can livestream shows for their fans. I’ve done this for Glass Animals and Joseph in recent weeks. You buy a ticket and log in and watch the show and there’s a fun chat feature to chat with the other fans and express your excitement or whatever. The Joseph shows (3 of them) were actually pre-recorded so the band members were also in the chat answering questions and talking about how they recorded it. It was really fun and memorable.

I have tickets to see Embrace this Saturday (I assume Joe hates them, haha). I also have tickets for an icelandic music festival coming up in november and a Bjork show (“with 15-piece chamber ensemble”) in January.
 
Ericj32 said:
They can livestream shows for their fans. I’ve done this for Glass Animals and Joseph in recent weeks. You buy a ticket and log in and watch the show and there’s a fun chat feature to chat with the other fans and express your excitement or whatever. The Joseph shows (3 of them) were actually pre-recorded so the band members were also in the chat answering questions and talking about how they recorded it. It was really fun and memorable.

I have tickets to see Embrace this Saturday (I assume Joe hates them, haha). I also have tickets for an icelandic music festival coming up in november and a Bjork show (“with 15-piece chamber ensemble”) in January.
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I'm happy to support artists and have purchased probably way too much stuff for things like bandcamp fridays. For some reason, the whole livestream concert thing doesn't interest me in the slightest, and I love seeing live music.
 
AnthonyI said:
No, nothing your saying is wrong, but it's a discussion and now poor Paul is only worthy of a CD purchase, lol. It's all opinions, this is the VMP "discussions" all over again. I get it, but who is doing what for what reason doesn't matter, we all have our own choice to make and we can blame the "dealer" all we want, WE make the purchase and keep coming back for more, that's all I'm saying.
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Yeah I’m sorry not so much with you there. Also Paul is many things “poor” is never going to be one of them
 
Ericj32 said:
They can livestream shows for their fans. I’ve done this for Glass Animals and Joseph in recent weeks. You buy a ticket and log in and watch the show and there’s a fun chat feature to chat with the other fans and express your excitement or whatever. The Joseph shows (3 of them) were actually pre-recorded so the band members were also in the chat answering questions and talking about how they recorded it. It was really fun and memorable.

I have tickets to see Embrace this Saturday (I assume Joe hates them, haha). I also have tickets for an icelandic music festival coming up in november and a Bjork show (“with 15-piece chamber ensemble”) in January.
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I don’t hate embrace, don’t love them either, they’re just standard mid 00s landfill indie that I’d stand at the back of a festival set with a pint in my hand and nod my head to without it being either hateful or epic.
 
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MikeH said:
I'm happy to support artists and have purchased probably way too much stuff for things like bandcamp fridays. For some reason, the whole livestream concert thing doesn't interest me in the slightest, and I love seeing live music.
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I wasn’t sure what to expect but I had way more fun than I thought I would. Both of the bands I saw performed new and unreleased material. Glass Animals in particular found cool ways to take advantage of the fact that they could use whatever special effects and camera angles they wanted to since the audience wasn’t just standing in front of them - they had a whole set built with props and both the backdrop and the floor underneath them were screens with crazy images. They’re also only like $10-15ish so still much cheaper than a live in-person show.
 
MikeH said:
In the long run, no, I do not think it would make them more money. Keeping something in print costs money. It's warehouse space plus shelf space for record stores, etc. That doesn't even include the whole customer retainment side of it. Music Matters gets away with what it does because of the records being high quality and limited, plain and simple. They raise their prices as inventory gets low, which makes people experience FOMO and purchase them despite the shitty price hiking. This isn't something unique to vinyl at all. Look at something like streetwear/sneakers. Places like Supreme make things in very limited quantities, making them more collectible and giving the purchaser some kind of street cred/clout. It happens with vinyl too--limited records, especially when there is not really a comparable release quality-wise, are desirable, so people are willing to pay more for it. I know I'm guilty of spending too much on some records because I simply wanted a high quality version of it. The MM thing is interesting because ultimately, Blue Note realized they don't need a third party to do high quality releases. The Tone Poet quality is nearly identical to Music Matters (same team of Joe and Kevin behind them), but their MSRP is $35 (and I don't think I have paid more than $25 for any of them) while MM's starting price is $35 and goes up to as high as $80 or $90 when they get low in stock.

Just think about the logistics--doing one pressing of 1,000 copies or whatever of an album is quicker and cheaper than constantly repressing. The net costs in the long-run probably won't be ALL that different if you press less at a higher margin and then you're done with it. Plus you have the added bonus of FOMO + people seeing that one album sold out quickly so you better buy this other one as soon as it comes out.

Don't really understand your point on Chet Baker...that wasn't limited quantities at all. They have simply run out of printed copies and it hasn't gotten a repress. AFAIK, all the Tone Poets are on an unlimited run more or less.
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Isn't the Chet Baker a repress/COVID issue - i.e. if but for COVID, it would have been repressed by now. I remember the same thing happening with Wayne Shorter's Etc. and one or two others right at the beginning of the series.
 
wmeugene said:
Isn't the Chet Baker a repress/COVID issue - i.e. if but for COVID, it would have been repressed by now. I remember the same thing happening with Wayne Shorter's Etc. and one or two others right at the beginning of the series.
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Yep--that's what I meant. As far as I know, NONE of the BN80 or TPs are limited in any kind of marketing FOMO sense. Chet has seemingly been extremely popular (I understand why....I love that album and it's very accessible) and they just ran out of stock. Nobody should be paying above list price for them at this point. BN said early on that none of these are limited and will try to remain in print for as long as they can be. With the delays at pressing plants, that's likely all that has happened right now.
 
POGunter said:
Hoping this shows up in US store somewhere. $27 US + $31.60 shipping. Ouch 😓
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hi all!

glad to see the Dreamweavers album has come across your radar already :) shipping vinyl from europe to the US is crazy, i have no idea why. but yes, the album will be in US stores. if you have a favorite, ask them about it along with the label info (Mother Tongue Records) and hopefully they can order it if it isnt already coming in. planning on doing a streamed chat with my collaborators and album producers about the record in a couple of weeks' time once it hits streaming services too.

btw, Mother Tongue is a great new Italian label who have their own pressing plant. the care they're taking in the whole production process is amazing and this might just be my favorite vinyl pressing i've had of one of my own releases :) for some out there beats, check out Tommaso Cappellato's 'Butterflying' release on Mother Tongue as well. and speaking of, they told me that shipping to the US is a flat rate for up to 10 records via their online store - https://www.mothertonguerecords.com/vinyl-records-shop/

x

ps. the vinyl going out to stores may be the regular black wax, not the variant on bandcamp and on the MT online store
 
Mark de Clive-Lowe said:
hi all!

glad to see the Dreamweavers album has come across your radar already :) shipping vinyl from europe to the US is crazy, i have no idea why. but yes, the album will be in US stores. if you have a favorite, ask them about it along with the label info (Mother Tongue Records) and hopefully they can order it if it isnt already coming in. planning on doing a streamed chat with my collaborators and album producers about the record in a couple of weeks' time once it hits streaming services too.

btw, Mother Tongue is a great new Italian label who have their own pressing plant. the care they're taking in the whole production process is amazing and this might just be my favorite vinyl pressing i've had of one of my own releases :) for some out there beats, check out Tommaso Cappellato's 'Butterflying' release on Mother Tongue as well. and speaking of, they told me that shipping to the US is a flat rate for up to 10 records via their online store - https://www.mothertonguerecords.com/vinyl-records-shop/

x

ps. the vinyl going out to stores may be the regular black wax, not the variant on bandcamp and on the MT online store
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one last thought for now ...shhhhh

i have a private merch store for my patreon members - Mark de Clive-Lowe is creating music without borders | Patreon if you're curious - and have a few sets of the Dreamweavers 7" (aquamarine, 2 bonus tracks) + Dreamweavers LP (the black vinyl cut, not the variant) available for a fair price + super fair shipping :) - http://MdCL.tv/merch - password MdCLm3rch
 
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