STAR WARS! STAR WARS! STAR WARS

Bull Shannon said:
I hear Andor is the least watched Disney+ Star Wars thing.

And then I look at how they're advertising it to me:

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I think it'll hold together really well as a whole and will have long legs after it airs in full, but there's got to be a different image you could pick to draw a person in.
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You know, come to think of it, this image has the one thing in Andor that's pandering the most to fans that want that Star Wars fan service. So in a way, it's a brilliant piece of advertising to reach those fans.

blue milk
 
so nobody’s gonna help Kino get to shore? Grab a stretcher and tow him in?

Honestly, the show’s deliberate enough that I’m sure we’ll see him again.
 
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When the final two season 1 episodes finish up I'm damn well going back and binging the entire season again. This is the best written, most mature Star Wars property ever put to film. Tough to unseed the first two films simply because they created the universe. But the depth of the storytelling and the writing on this show absolutely crushes anything that came before it. Tony Gilroy for president.
 
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Mather said:
When the final two season 1 episodes finish up I'm damn well going back and binging the entire season again. This is the best written, most mature Star Wars property ever put to film. Tough to unseed the first two films simply because they created the universe. But the depth of the storytelling and the writing on this show absolutely crush anything that came before it. Tony Gilroy for president.
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It is so great. I'm not sure if you listen to the Watch but they have an interview with Tony this week.

 
Gavaxeman said:
I’m enjoying Andor , the nazi echoes of the empire work very well....

But ....it’s a tad slow ..



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Sounds like a positive thing to me. So many shows (and movies) try to compress a bunch of stuff into a small amount of time either relying on exposition or not even really caring about development or world building. I like my stories to be long form, drawn out. But I'm an escapist, I want to be immersed.

But I also tend to wait until things are done or mostly done and binge them all at once, so that may be why "slow" stories don't bother me.
 
Max Sterling said:
Sounds like a positive thing to me. So many shows (and movies) try to compress a bunch of stuff into a small amount of time either relying on exposition or not even really caring about development or world building. I like my stories to be long form, drawn out. But I'm an escapist, I want to be immersed.

But I also tend to wait until things are done or mostly done and binge them all at once, so that may be why "slow" stories don't bother me.
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Do you think? I’ve found of late, probably more in movies than in tv, that LoTR created a trend back towards the epic and that there are a lot of films I’ve seen that’d be a hell of a lot better with a more enthusiastic edit. I don’t necessarily think that you need to be long or slow to build worlds or detail, you need to be good and far too many filmmakers feel the need to tell us things in great detail that could be just be shown.
 
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Joe Mac said:
Do you think? I’ve found of late, probably more in movies than in films, that LoTR created a trend back towards the epic and that there are a lot of films I’ve seen that’d be a hell of a lot better with a more enthusiastic edit. I don’t necessarily think that you need to be long or slow to build worlds or detail, you need to be good and far too many filmmakers feel the need to tell us things in great detail that could be just be shown.
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There's obviously a difference between a long form story that's bad and unnecessary (The Hobbit films for instance) versus a long form story where the time spent is worth it and, if anything, you want more time in the world. You mentioned telling things that should just be shown and I very much agree, exposition is one of my least favourite things in movies. But I want to be shown and given the chance to process it, not just shown a series of images and expected to feel anything about them. I think a good example of this sort of story telling (and many people disagree with me on this, which is totally fine) is the movie Bright, with Will Smith. I really enjoyed that movie and the way they told that story. Thrusting us into a world without too much explanation and showing us parts of it. But to that point, I wanted to see more, I want other stories in that world and because it didn't do well, I'm not going to get that and it bums me out.

I feel like a lot of shows specifically are trying to tell a lot of story in a short amount of time, as they don't know if they'll even get more than one season, but in doing so they weaken that which would normally create a rabid fan-base. It's the difference, to me, between reading a serial comic in the newspaper and reading a graphic novel. Yeah, people like Cathy or whatever, but it's not the same as The Sandman or even Scott Pilgrim.

The last Star Wars trilogy is divisive, I know. I'm not a fan, but my main complaint was the lack of focus and the apparent need to fill them with all these characters and story lines, some which literally went nowhere and people who meant nothing. It was all happening so rapidly and you're not given time to care or even sometimes react to what's going on. There was no weight to what was happening, it was just a series of events that happened over the course of what felt like a week or two.
 
Joe Mac said:
Do you think? I’ve found of late, probably more in movies than in films, that LoTR created a trend back towards the epic and that there are a lot of films I’ve seen that’d be a hell of a lot better with a more enthusiastic edit. I don’t necessarily think that you need to be long or slow to build worlds or detail, you need to be good and far too many filmmakers feel the need to tell us things in great detail that could be just be shown.
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I’m not sure I’ll be able to articulate this well, but of late I’ve seen a lot of movies and shows which strive to be epic and are overfull and overlong, yet rush from one plot point and action sequence to the next because they’re overstuffed. The script could use cuts, and the film editing itself is overcompensating. I see it the most in marvel movies; it’s a trudging slog where we never get a chance to stop and catch our breaths.
 
mdmost said:
I think if you find it slow, I would wait until it's time for the finale and then binge the whole thing.
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Probably wise move ..unfortunately the Internet can make avoiding spoilers an issue ....I’m kinda thinking we’re at episode 11 now with Andor ....and not that far along plot wise ....I worry for the series to do well , the pace may do for it as it plods along ..a bit like the rings of power which at least wrapped up in 8 episodes that also was a bit slow burning

I think House of the dragon got it exactly right , and grew into must see tv for each new episode
 
Talking of how not to pace a tv show ..The walking dead ...is literally a slog to get to the end ..on the final season episode 9 and it is sooooo dull....they killed this show going to 20+ episodes ..it’s taken me 6 months to get thru 9 episodes as I keep falling asleep ...at least Covid enforced confinement might help get me to the end ..which I know is gonna be a massive let down
 
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Gavaxeman said:
Talking of how not to pace a tv show ..The walking dead ...is literally a slog to get to the end ..on the final season episode 9 and it is sooooo dull....they killed this show going to 20+ episodes ..it’s taken me 6 months to get thru 9 episodes as I keep falling asleep ...at least Covid enforced confinement might help get me to the end ..which I now is gonna be a massive let down
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I gave up just before they got to the dude with the tiger. I remember reading the first couple of compendiums 10 or so years ago and being really gripped by the story. The first season of the show seemed to capture it really well from what I remember but they it became dragged out beyond belief. A real shame.
 
Selaws said:
I gave up just before they got to the dude with the tiger. I remember reading the first couple of compendiums 10 or so years ago and being really gripped by the story. The first season of the show seemed to capture it really well from what I remember but they it became dragged out beyond belief. A real shame.
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It's at about the same spot for me, right after
Glenn dies
. I lost interest in both the comic and the show probably one season / one compendium after, right around when the tiger dude shows up.
 
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