The Blue Note Thread

Dark Star Boogie said:
Same, but once switch my belt to 45rpm I usually play a bunch in a row.
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It's even easy for me to switch speeds since I have a speedbox and I am lazy...but it's the getting up and going across the room every two songs that prevents me from playing them too much haha. It's silly, but sometimes especially when I'm working, I don't want to be interrupted every song or two to flip the record over. And I personally don't notice enough of a bump in sound quality on my system to prioritize buying the 45s over the 33s anymore.
 
Steve Hoffman Forum: Tone Poet Thread Death March Update

Had to laugh this afternoon - went over to SHF to see if I could find any more 2020 TP hints to add to the N&G Jazz Reissues spreadsheet. They were discussing ... what else? Tape warble!

What's crazy is that they are now hearing the warble on other Tone Poet releases. In fact, there's now a "Naughty" and a "Nice" list:

Here's a recap of Tone Poets with reported speed issues:
1. Black Fire
2. Cornbread
3. Clubhouse
4. NHSNHS
5. Contours
6. Chant

Recap of Tone Poets with (thus far) without speed issues:
1. Etcetera
2. Glamoured
3. State Of The Tenor
4. New Bottle Old Wine
5. Face To Face
6. Mr. Shing-A-Ling
7. Introducing Kenny Burrell
8. Hustlin'

Everything released is Guilty! (until proven innocent). Note: Cornbread is now under heavy scrutiny.

One brave soul even went back through the entire 325-page thread to document how much "keyboard ink" has been spilled on the topic. There were 400+ posts about the warble issue ... and ... 400+ posts asking people to let it go already and get back to enjoying the TP releases. 😂
(I can't seem to find that tally post now - may have been deleted.)

Gotta say there's a (big) part of me that wants to keep poking that hive with a sharp stick. What a clusterf*ck!
 
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stpaulbrowns said:
Steve Hoffman Forum: Tone Poet Thread Death March Update

Had to laugh this afternoon - went over to SHF to see if I could find any more 2020 TP hints to add to the N&G Jazz Reissues spreadsheet. They were discussing ... what else? Tape warble!

What's crazy is that they are now hearing the warble on other Tone Poet releases. In fact, there's now a "Naughty" and a "Nice" list:

Here's a recap of Tone Poets with reported speed issues:
1. Black Fire
2. Cornbread
3. Clubhouse
4. NHSNHS
5. Contours
6. Chant

Recap of Tone Poets with (thus far) without speed issues:
1. Etcetera
2. Glamoured
3. State Of The Tenor
4. New Bottle Old Wine
5. Face To Face
6. Mr. Shing-A-Ling
7. Introducing Kenny Burrell
8. Hustlin'

Everything released is Guilty! (until proven innocent). Note: Cornbread is now under heavy scrutiny.

One brave soul even went back through the entire 325-page thread to document how much "keyboard ink" has been spilled on the topic. There were 400+ posts about the warble issue ... and ... 400+ posts asking people to let it go already and get back to enjoying the TP releases. 😂
(I can't seem to find that tally post now - may have been deleted.)

Gotta say there's a (big) part of me that wants to keep poking that hive with a sharp stick. What a clusterf*ck!
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That is crazy, but as a long time Hoffmanite I would carefully point out that such craziness is actually the contribution that place makes for the music community. ;)

Even though the discussion constantly gets too aggressive and annoying, the questions people ask about the products we buy sometimes lead to positive changes. Having said that, I have learned to stay far away from those crazy people who claim to have golden ears that I lack. :whistle:
 
stpaulbrowns said:
Steve Hoffman Forum: Tone Poet Thread Death March Update

Had to laugh this afternoon - went over to SHF to see if I could find any more 2020 TP hints to add to the N&G Jazz Reissues spreadsheet. They were discussing ... what else? Tape warble!

What's crazy is that they are now hearing the warble on other Tone Poet releases. In fact, there's now a "Naughty" and a "Nice" list:

Here's a recap of Tone Poets with reported speed issues:
1. Black Fire
2. Cornbread
3. Clubhouse
4. NHSNHS
5. Contours
6. Chant

Recap of Tone Poets with (thus far) without speed issues:
1. Etcetera
2. Glamoured
3. State Of The Tenor
4. New Bottle Old Wine
5. Face To Face
6. Mr. Shing-A-Ling
7. Introducing Kenny Burrell
8. Hustlin'

Everything released is Guilty! (until proven innocent). Note: Cornbread is now under heavy scrutiny.

One brave soul even went back through the entire 325-page thread to document how much "keyboard ink" has been spilled on the topic. There were 400+ posts about the warble issue ... and ... 400+ posts asking people to let it go already and get back to enjoying the TP releases. 😂
(I can't seem to find that tally post now - may have been deleted.)

Gotta say there's a (big) part of me that wants to keep poking that hive with a sharp stick. What a clusterf*ck!
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I've read every post in that thread, and it's pretty fascinating both in terms of musical criticism and sociological observing. I am one of the folks that *does* hear the issues on Black Fire and I also remember them jumping out at me on NHSNHS. I originally went to the thread to read if other folks were experiencing problems with Black Fire because it was so obtrusive and I wanted to know if it was worth trying to exchange for a new copy or whether that wasn't likely to help because they were all that way (like the weird non-fill issue that happened with New Bottle Old Wine that Blue Note finally tracked down to an issue with a particular stamper).

My experience with that discussion was equal parts frustrating and funny to me because I ended up with two copies of Black Fire and uploaded clips of both and asked folks if they could hear any difference in the degree to which the pitch problems existed in each (I felt like one of my copies was way better than the other one, which gave me hope that maybe I could get a good one from amazon but I also felt like maybe I was imagining it). After posting the clip with the specific request for help, nobody on either side really responded. After lots of brigading on both sides, someone who didn't hear the issues asked what the point even was; what did the people who heard the issue want to happen? I thought this was a great question! So I re-posted my clips with the same question. Crickets.

After that, I just grabbed my popcorn.

The Hoffman forum is an invaluable source of information, but it is hard to get value out of it if you haven't been on a thread since the start or if you aren't willing to read thousands of posts about a particular topic. The Music Matters Jazz reissue thread is over 20,000 posts!
 
doncornelius said:
That is crazy, but as a long time Hoffmanite I would carefully point out that such craziness is actually the contribution that place makes for the music community. ;)

Even though the discussion constantly gets too aggressive and annoying, the questions people ask about the products we buy sometimes lead to positive changes. Having said that, I have learned to stay far away from those crazy people who claim to have golden ears that I lack. :whistle:
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Agreed. I don’t participate over there but it is always my go to to try to find out what sources were used for specific pressings or how some obscure blue note reissue sounds. It is a valuable resource to have but I’m in the same boat as you—my ear isn’t super critical and I haven’t noticed the Black Fire issue. I also don’t want to listen to what the issue is because that’s all I will hear when I spin it haha. People really get into it over there on some threads though so I just avoid those.
 
MikeH said:
Agreed. I don’t participate over there but it is always my go to to try to find out what sources were used for specific pressings or how some obscure blue note reissue sounds. It is a valuable resource to have but I’m in the same boat as you—my ear isn’t super critical and I haven’t noticed the Black Fire issue. I also don’t want to listen to what the issue is because that’s all I will hear when I spin it haha. People really get into it over there on some threads though so I just avoid those.
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Yeah this is kind of my M.O over there as well. I'll ask the occasional question maybe, but not get to deep into it.

Tbh I wouldn't worry too much about the Black Fire issue. I don't own the vinyl, but I listened to the samples and still couldn't hear the issue, YMMV ofc.
 
stpaulbrowns said:
Steve Hoffman Forum: Tone Poet Thread Death March Update

Had to laugh this afternoon - went over to SHF to see if I could find any more 2020 TP hints to add to the N&G Jazz Reissues spreadsheet. They were discussing ... what else? Tape warble!

What's crazy is that they are now hearing the warble on other Tone Poet releases. In fact, there's now a "Naughty" and a "Nice" list:

Here's a recap of Tone Poets with reported speed issues:
1. Black Fire
2. Cornbread
3. Clubhouse
4. NHSNHS
5. Contours
6. Chant

Recap of Tone Poets with (thus far) without speed issues:
1. Etcetera
2. Glamoured
3. State Of The Tenor
4. New Bottle Old Wine
5. Face To Face
6. Mr. Shing-A-Ling
7. Introducing Kenny Burrell
8. Hustlin'

Everything released is Guilty! (until proven innocent). Note: Cornbread is now under heavy scrutiny.

One brave soul even went back through the entire 325-page thread to document how much "keyboard ink" has been spilled on the topic. There were 400+ posts about the warble issue ... and ... 400+ posts asking people to let it go already and get back to enjoying the TP releases. 😂
(I can't seem to find that tally post now - may have been deleted.)

Gotta say there's a (big) part of me that wants to keep poking that hive with a sharp stick. What a clusterf*ck!
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Update - mods went in and deleted FIFTY PAGES worth of posts in the TP thread and issued a suspension to boot! 🍿🍿🍿

Posts deleted, to put it understatedly. One suspension issued.

This thread is not to continue as it has been.
Carry on; post thoughtfully and politely, and move to a dedicated thread, if needed.

When things get out of hand as they did here, please, hit the REPORT button. This dragged on way, way too long.
 
johnpisme said:
Just saw Joe Harley recommend this Blue Note doc from 2018. It looks to be really good. He says it focuses more on early Blue Note up to 1970 without anything about more modern stuff.

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So I was looking around to see where the best place was to order the dvd and stumbled upon a limited edition sold by jpc.de. Then I saw jpc also sold records and now I ordered 5 records along with the special edition 😅

www.jpc.de

It Must Schwing - The Blue Note Story (2 Blu-rays & 2 DVDs im Big Sleeve in LP-Format) (Limited Edition 1000 Stück exklusiv bei jpc) – jpc

Die Blu-ray Disc It Must Schwing - The Blue Note Story (2 Blu-rays & 2 DVDs im Big Sleeve in LP-Format) (Limited Edition 1000 Stück exklusiv bei jpc) jetzt portofrei kaufen.
www.jpc.de www.jpc.de
 
stpaulbrowns said:
Update - mods went in and deleted FIFTY PAGES worth of posts in the TP thread and issued a suspension to boot! 🍿🍿🍿

Posts deleted, to put it understatedly. One suspension issued.

This thread is not to continue as it has been.
Carry on; post thoughtfully and politely, and move to a dedicated thread, if needed.

When things get out of hand as they did here, please, hit the REPORT button. This dragged on way, way too long.
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I mean the Hoffman boards are useful for getting certain info, but otherwise, these people have way too much freaking free time on their hands, and seem to self-vindicate themselves when they can allegedly hear some type of "error" or point out some type of miniscule issue. My Tone Poets all sound amazing, Black Fire included, so I don't worry about it.
 
seeirwin said:
I've read every post in that thread, and it's pretty fascinating both in terms of musical criticism and sociological observing. I am one of the folks that *does* hear the issues on Black Fire and I also remember them jumping out at me on NHSNHS. I originally went to the thread to read if other folks were experiencing problems with Black Fire because it was so obtrusive and I wanted to know if it was worth trying to exchange for a new copy or whether that wasn't likely to help because they were all that way (like the weird non-fill issue that happened with New Bottle Old Wine that Blue Note finally tracked down to an issue with a particular stamper).

My experience with that discussion was equal parts frustrating and funny to me because I ended up with two copies of Black Fire and uploaded clips of both and asked folks if they could hear any difference in the degree to which the pitch problems existed in each (I felt like one of my copies was way better than the other one, which gave me hope that maybe I could get a good one from amazon but I also felt like maybe I was imagining it). After posting the clip with the specific request for help, nobody on either side really responded. After lots of brigading on both sides, someone who didn't hear the issues asked what the point even was; what did the people who heard the issue want to happen? I thought this was a great question! So I re-posted my clips with the same question. Crickets.

After that, I just grabbed my popcorn.

The Hoffman forum is an invaluable source of information, but it is hard to get value out of it if you haven't been on a thread since the start or if you aren't willing to read thousands of posts about a particular topic. The Music Matters Jazz reissue thread is over 20,000 posts!
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Honestly man, I hear it too.. I put up a post from Hoffman in this thread that has two different clips of two different Black Fire pressings at the same moment and I really can hear the difference. I even hunted down a different BF reissue that wasn't too egregiously expensive just because I'm so curious. Haven't gotten it yet though but I'll post again when it arrives.

In the meantime, I'm doing this:
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Liberty pressing on the left with VANGELDER stamps, MM pressing on the right. I got the BN80 coming too just for the hell of it.

My thoughts after the first track of the Liberty? It's much more pleasant sounding. The harsh horns in the Egyptian on the MM press are way tamer on the Liberty. Gotta listen again for more. Not sure why in doing this. Fun, I guess??

edit to add: piano on MM is crisper and cleaner, overall more natural. Low end isn't as extensive or clear though. Cymbals have more sparkle but the horns are just kinda harsh. I think I like the Liberty better but I'm going to keep going back and forth.
 
botherly said:
Honestly man, I hear it too.. I put up a post from Hoffman in this thread that has two different clips of two different Black Fire pressings at the same moment and I really can hear the difference. I even hunted down a different BF reissue that wasn't too egregiously expensive just because I'm so curious. Haven't gotten it yet though but I'll post again when it arrives.

In the meantime, I'm doing this:
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Liberty pressing on the left with VANGELDER stamps, MM pressing on the right. I got the BN80 coming too just for the hell of it.

My thoughts after the first track of the Liberty? It's much more pleasant sounding. The harsh horns in the Egyptian on the MM press are way tamer on the Liberty. Gotta listen again for more. Not sure why in doing this. Fun, I guess??
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Does the Black Fire detuning happen in the last song? I think i caught it last listen, sounded like it defined and then tuned back again. Honestly sounded cool
 
botherly said:
Honestly man, I hear it too.. I put up a post from Hoffman in this thread that has two different clips of two different Black Fire pressings at the same moment and I really can hear the difference. I even hunted down a different BF reissue that wasn't too egregiously expensive just because I'm so curious. Haven't gotten it yet though but I'll post again when it arrives.

In the meantime, I'm doing this:
View attachment 16977

Liberty pressing on the left with VANGELDER stamps, MM pressing on the right. I got the BN80 coming too just for the hell of it.

My thoughts after the first track of the Liberty? It's much more pleasant sounding. The harsh horns in the Egyptian on the MM press are way tamer on the Liberty. Gotta listen again for more. Not sure why in doing this. Fun, I guess??
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Clean Liberty pressings with the VANGEDLER stamps are typically amazing. I have a bunch and love them, and they are usually affordable-ish.
 
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