Jan
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Seconded on the scoring system. The self score always overemphasizes the ones who chose fewer albums because those will be awarded more points. I would prefer a system where every list is counted the same point wise.
The N&G Top 500 Albums of All Time!!!
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Jan
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To increase the madness and find a compromise how about a two-step process. First lists created till a deadline without publication to minimze the influence of herd mentality, then a time-frame the lists get published in the thread and discussed, compared etc followed by a chance for everyone to edit their lists to a final answer.
Jan
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Now that i swayed you with miles and morricone i can go for the judgement night soundtrack
Jan
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The intention was more to acount for the usual " oh shit i actually forgot xy" but maybe the editing is not a good idea if people feel peessured into changing their lists
Woob_woob
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I'm think 50 is the magic number. 25 feels too small for a 500 list and 100 may be too much, although I'm open to it.
Jan
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Maybe just set a date before no lists shall be published so everyone ca wittle down there list before and that would mean no extra effort. Although I'm sensing @Woob_woob rather likes extra administrative effort
Tys1
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I like this, the intention behind making the list private is simply because of the exact herd mentality you mention and I want people to be comfortable submitting a list that doesn’t mention David Bowie or Prince instead of just thinking “well shit, I learned a long time ago that it’s not a top 100 if it ain’t got Bowie, better throw him on here somewhere”. No offense to anybody here but people are a lot less independent thinking than we assume, and I 100% realistically include myself in that group.
Joe Mac
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Yeah I think people should just be able to do their thing. Once it’s up submit when you’re ready. I don’t think that we should be pandering to people who are too scared of judgement to say what they like or deal with discussion around a pick. Also it’s a good thing if you see something you’d forgotten on someone else’s list that you might like in your own. I don’t get this whole fear of “influence”
LeSamourai
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If I do this, the hardest decision will be whether to include too many albums from the time period where I was about 15-25, which for some strange, unfathomable reason has A LOT of my favorite albums*, or whether to try to be "objective" and make sure to balance my decades some.
*Note- I'm being sarcastic> I know it has everything to do with me being that age and discovering music at the time, and nothing to do with the relative merit of the music.
*Note- I'm being sarcastic> I know it has everything to do with me being that age and discovering music at the time, and nothing to do with the relative merit of the music.
Tys1
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That’s just the thing, it’s really YOUR top 100. So if half of them happen to fall into one decade and 10 of them have sub 5.0 ratings on p4K then more power to ya, it’s your list! the N&G part comes later when it’s all summarized into a master.
LeSamourai
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In that case, it's on all you to balance out my bias.
I'm counting on you.
Mrs. Eisenhower is counting on you.
America is counting on you.
Jan
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That's the function of the master list. Or rather form a bias prepresenative of the electorates demographic ( see rolling stone lists)
Tys1
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Absolutely, I anticipate at least 10 of my top 50 to not be anywhere near the top 500 of a master list. They’re either wildly unpopular or completely unheard of.
dropsonde
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My thoughts on this, although in my eyes we should defer to whatever rules and structure the kind N&Ger(s) doing the heavy lifting of compilation prefers.
(1) Submittals should be blind. Anyone choosing to participate should submit their list to whoever’s compiling the results before posting it publicly. Otherwise too much groupthink and confirmation bias will be introduced. Groupthink is a tyranny of boredom. No edits. I know this process would make the poll more logistically challenging but still putting it out there.
(2) We should submit unapologetic, idiosyncratic, arbitrary, passionate, personally-biased lists of favorites, not “best of” or “greatest” lists. Seriously, who needs another “greatest” list? Not me. Zzzzzz. We’re not the Library of Congress, we’re a dang vinyl/music board. Let the freak flags fly loud and proud.
(3) Everyone submits the same number of titles, whatever that number may be. I would prefer 100. I think once we start writing them out, 50 will fill up very quickly. If someone can’t make a full list, they probably shouldn’t be participating.
(4) Consider making the final compiled list 100, not 500. Five hundred sounds utterly overwhelming and I’m not even sure we’d have enough contributors to make a list of 500 meaningful. And I may be in the minority but I get no enjoyment slogging through Top 500 lists.
(1) Submittals should be blind. Anyone choosing to participate should submit their list to whoever’s compiling the results before posting it publicly. Otherwise too much groupthink and confirmation bias will be introduced. Groupthink is a tyranny of boredom. No edits. I know this process would make the poll more logistically challenging but still putting it out there.
(2) We should submit unapologetic, idiosyncratic, arbitrary, passionate, personally-biased lists of favorites, not “best of” or “greatest” lists. Seriously, who needs another “greatest” list? Not me. Zzzzzz. We’re not the Library of Congress, we’re a dang vinyl/music board. Let the freak flags fly loud and proud.
(3) Everyone submits the same number of titles, whatever that number may be. I would prefer 100. I think once we start writing them out, 50 will fill up very quickly. If someone can’t make a full list, they probably shouldn’t be participating.
(4) Consider making the final compiled list 100, not 500. Five hundred sounds utterly overwhelming and I’m not even sure we’d have enough contributors to make a list of 500 meaningful. And I may be in the minority but I get no enjoyment slogging through Top 500 lists.
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