The National

mdmost said:
Found your problem, right here. Facebook is wonderful if you want to constantly dive into your member berries and act like nothing is as good as what came before. It's a great app to remove so you're not constantly seeing a wave of negativity.
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I mean, yeah. But I curate what I see a great deal. I don't interact with any family members, my family members and friends are barely on there. Plus I'm lucky that I don't have crazy racist/Qanon family members. It's almost exclusively discussion groups for bands or tv show or video games I'm fans of. I know that there's barely any filter so you can still have randos spouting their opinions on there. But it's really not as toxic as I know it can be.
 
wokeupnew said:
I'm only really on Facebook for several different groups I'm in about different bands, TV shows, other random things for the memes and discussions. In The National FB group, it seems everyone and their uncle needs to express their opinion that "these two albums should have been just one album! And here is my combined tracklisting:" :rolleyes: It's getting tiring seeing this opinion. I think fans should be grateful to get 2 albums in one year. I previously said I'd rather they wait until next year to release but I'm loving this new album so far. Plus combining these 2 albums feels weird. I think they're very discinct and different. It would be if you combined Boxer and Sleep Well Beast. The songs just don't feel right being combined.

For sure, neither album is as good as some of their previous albums but it is what it is. You take what you can get. There's a lot to like from both Frankenstein and Laugh Track. The media has been churning out "Are the National boring now?" peices over the past year and I think this is starting to seep into people's subconscious. 'I can't possibly like these two albums if everyone is telling me that they're not that good.' seems to be the minor consensus in the FB group and elsewhere.
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Agreed 💯
 
wokeupnew said:
I'm only really on Facebook for several different groups I'm in about different bands, TV shows, other random things for the memes and discussions. In The National FB group, it seems everyone and their uncle needs to express their opinion that "these two albums should have been just one album! And here is my combined tracklisting:" :rolleyes: It's getting tiring seeing this opinion. I think fans should be grateful to get 2 albums in one year. I previously said I'd rather they wait until next year to release but I'm loving this new album so far. Plus combining these 2 albums feels weird. I think they're very discinct and different. It would be if you combined Boxer and Sleep Well Beast. The songs just don't feel right being combined.

For sure, neither album is as good as some of their previous albums but it is what it is. You take what you can get. There's a lot to like from both Frankenstein and Laugh Track. The media has been churning out "Are the National boring now?" peices over the past year and I think this is starting to seep into people's subconscious. 'I can't possibly like these two albums if everyone is telling me that they're not that good.' seems to be the minor consensus in the FB group and elsewhere.
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I’m definitely tired of the pieces about The National not being the same as they were 20 years ago. I don’t see as many articles about other prolific bands. It’s weird. And I think it definitely colors people’s opinion, even fans. Personally, I also dislike combining track lists or re-arranging them. Then you’re cutting out good stuff no matter what, or changing it to be something it wasn’t intended to be. I mean by all means make your playlists. But I appreciate both albums individually and as companions. If they released this as one album - or a double album - people would still complain about it.
 
wokeupnew said:
I'm only really on Facebook for several different groups I'm in about different bands, TV shows, other random things for the memes and discussions. In The National FB group, it seems everyone and their uncle needs to express their opinion that "these two albums should have been just one album! And here is my combined tracklisting:" :rolleyes: It's getting tiring seeing this opinion. I think fans should be grateful to get 2 albums in one year. I previously said I'd rather they wait until next year to release but I'm loving this new album so far. Plus combining these 2 albums feels weird. I think they're very discinct and different. It would be if you combined Boxer and Sleep Well Beast. The songs just don't feel right being combined.

For sure, neither album is as good as some of their previous albums but it is what it is. You take what you can get. There's a lot to like from both Frankenstein and Laugh Track. The media has been churning out "Are the National boring now?" peices over the past year and I think this is starting to seep into people's subconscious. 'I can't possibly like these two albums if everyone is telling me that they're not that good.' seems to be the minor consensus in the FB group and elsewhere.
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I see those posts, roll my eyes, and scroll on by.

I'm not nearly as active on FB as I used to be - part of that is due to a falling out with a group of friends, another part is it's just an icky platform for people to show off on. I keep it mainly for band info and band groups like you.
 
"The lights started dimming and then they went out
Heaven came down like a blanket" these lyrics from Laugh Track are hitting me particularly hard 😭 Having lost my Dad suddenly and unexpectedly on Father's Day 💐 is something I'm still struggling to accept. I have no words to express how I feel and hearing these words just resonates powerfully and poignantly. Today, we laid my Dad to rest ⚱️and now starts the grieving process 😞 💔
 
I wrote a much longer post here originally about this, but it doesn't matter. Point is, after listening to Indiecast off and on over the last year, I've grown so so so tired of Steven Hyden. I used to like his writing, now I just find him irritating.

anyway, here is his dumb article about how he "saved the band from themselves" and made a great album that puts together the "best" of both records: I Made A Great Album By The National Out Of Their Two Uneven 2023 LPs

Ugh. Here's an early quote: "in the end Laugh Track has the same weaknesses as Frankenstein — too many celebrity guest stars, too many same-y sounding piano ballads, too much bloat." I could take all of that to task, but it doesn't matter really. I'll just say, it kinda shows that he and many other people clearly aren't even actually listening to the album they are complaining about.
 
Bennnnn said:
I wrote a much longer post here originally about this, but it doesn't matter. Point is, after listening to Indiecast off and on over the last year, I've grown so so so tired of Steven Hyden. I used to like his writing, now I just find him irritating.

anyway, here is his dumb article about how he "saved the band from themselves" and made a great album that puts together the "best" of both records: I Made A Great Album By The National Out Of Their Two Uneven 2023 LPs

Ugh. Here's an early quote: "in the end Laugh Track has the same weaknesses as Frankenstein — too many celebrity guest stars, too many same-y sounding piano ballads, too much bloat." I could take all of that to task, but it doesn't matter really. I'll just say, it kinda shows that he and many other people clearly aren't even actually listening to the album they are complaining about.
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I can appreciate what he attempted to do here but I don't entirely agree with the song selection 🤷
 
Bennnnn said:
I wrote a much longer post here originally about this, but it doesn't matter. Point is, after listening to Indiecast off and on over the last year, I've grown so so so tired of Steven Hyden. I used to like his writing, now I just find him irritating.
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he's still a great writer - really personable style, gets to the meat (of every episode), knows how to form really smart coherent thoughts...

...but he's become the epitome of a gen x know-it-all

indiecast is a must-listen for me every friday, but by god i wish he'd stop singing on it; that's almost as bad as their tedious talk about nfl
 
whatwhatsaywhat said:
he's still a great writer - really personable style, gets to the meat (of every episode), knows how to form really smart coherent thoughts...

...but he's become the epitome of a gen x know-it-all

indiecast is a must-listen for me every friday, but by god i wish he'd stop singing on it; that's almost as bad as their tedious talk about nfl
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I just kinda stopped listening to it tbh. I found myself more annoyed than engaged in most of what they were talking about. I think he can be genuine and compelling - more so in writing, but I have just fallen off reading his stuff these days. I don't know. It's just a taste thing now.
 
There is someone taping a lot of these shows and putting them up on archive.org, in case anyone is interested. There was another person who went ahead and put up the second London show which has an incredible set list:

 
There’s also this just released full video live show from Sydney in 2018 that’ll be up for a month:

stream.sydneyoperahouse.com

27/50: The National - Live at Sydney Opera House (2018) - 50/50: 50 films celebrating 50 iconic years - Stream - Sydney Opera House

Available worldwide from 29th Sept to 29th Oct 2023. Indie rock luminaries The National returned to the Sydney Opera House Forecourt in 2018, to play in front of a 5,000-strong crowd, following two sold-out performances on the same spot four years earlier. The 2014 performance was live-streamed ...
stream.sydneyoperahouse.com stream.sydneyoperahouse.com
 
Bennnnn said:
There is someone taping a lot of these shows and putting them up on archive.org, in case anyone is interested. There was another person who went ahead and put up the second London show which has an incredible set list:

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Told my husband about this the other day - he's been listening to all of these recent recordings. He's acting even more obsessed than me lately - hated a lot of TWFM but Homecoming performance changed that. I've created a monster!
 
for those good folks with cherry tree access, can you please let me / other oztrayans know whether the access passcode is the same?

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