Vinyl Me Please Anthology

I know it doesn't matter to many people, but just for the sake of clarity, it is not the same version. It is cut by JP at Optimal and I haven't found any definitive confirmation if it is AAA or not. The VMP version is AAA, cut by Ryan Smith and pressed at GZ.

I have read that the EU Rhino one sounds good so it would be interesting to hear a comparison of them.

for half the price it'd have to be pretty shit not to be a better bet. I trust rhino over VMP & GZ every day of the week even if it turns out that one is ADD or ADA rather than AAA. Also Opitmal > GZ tends to be my experience.
 
for half the price it'd have to be pretty shit not to be a better bet. I trust rhino over VMP & GZ every day of the week even if it turns out that one ADD or ADA rather than AAA. Also Opitmal > GZ tends to be my experience.
That's fair, I agree in general. Hard to say which will sound better without hearing both though.

If I end up not being able to get a decent copy from VMP (always a concern). I'll have to import one.
 
Nathan, saw this post on Reddit. Storf said the artists are listed chronologically. So you might get your wish.

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That means, best case scenario:
Booker T & the MG's - Soul Dressing
Sam & Dave - Hold On, I'm Comin'
Otis Redding - ? (Otis doesn't make sense based on what you've said. The only one without a recent, still in-print reissue is Otis Blue. Which came out in 1965. But Sam & Dave's first album came out in '66. So one of those two things doesn't check out.)
Bar-Kays - Soul Finger
Eddie Floyd - I've Never Found A Girl
Johnnie Taylor - Philosophy or Raw Blues
Albert King - Lovejoy
William Bell - Phases of Reality

Yeah, according to Storf I'm off as the list is Chronological, so I was off and this list looks more accurate, although I also can't figure out what the Otis albums is either. It actually makes sense to break the set into 2 halves (Before and After the Plane Crash / End of Atlantic distribution).

So I'm in a quandary on whether to order this Anthology:

Pros:
- I love Stax
- I think this box set will be well put together with high quality reissues, well pressed, et al.
- If it contains Soul Finger and Raw Blues; I've wanted those two titles on vinyl for a while.
- Robert Gordon notes should be good. (But I've read his book on Stax, so I'm not sure how much I'll be learning.)
- Storf loves Stax, and is well read on it, so I actually think he'll be better on the podcasts (vs. the Storf-splaining Blue Note to Don Was which was comical.)
- Actual interviews with the artists

Cons:
- Obviously, the box set is hella-expensive this close to Christmas, so the timing is shit. (I could ask my wife & kids for it, but they've probably already gotten me something...hopefully x-c skate skis, fingers crossed.)
- As much as I love to guess, I still hate that they don't just tell us the titles, because...
- I likely already have 2 of the titles (whatever the Otis title is and Sam & Dave).
- Soul Finger is an A+, and Raw Blues would be an A+, but the other four artists' albums will be their second or fifth best albums.
- How the hell does this set not have Isaac Hayes? He was the 2nd most important artist on Stax, and was the whole label after the Atlantic Records disaster. I'm don't think you can truly tell the story of Stax without him. And The Isaac Hayes Movement hasn't been reissued and that album is amazing.
- Not a con, but a things that make you go hmmm...After Anthology #2 was called "The Women of Motown", why wasn't this called "The Men of Stax"?

So after all that rambling, I'm still torn.
 
Quick question? Do people find it hard to justify $300ish for 8 albums? Because I’ll be honest, even discounting my distaste for the anthology concept, I’d be wanting near double the content for that kinda cash.
I think it depends on if you remember being able to buy records for less than$25 new. The scale has tipped so far the past few years that $35 a record seems fine to a lot of collectors.
 
I think it depends on if you remember being able to buy records for less than$25 new. The scale has tipped so far the past few years that $35 a record seems fine to a lot of collectors.

I think a lot of that depends on the record. For an individual audiophile record or a piece over a couple of disks or a beautiful package on its own, maybe. For a standard enough pressing in a box set, hell no, I’ve never seen these types albums in boxes priced this obscenely high anywhere else.
 
My take:

1. While I do enjoy a good podcast, providing the content in podcast form was lazy and a half realized attempt at community. In all reality, it was an excuse to just talk versus doing real work in providing us a full book.

2. All of the extras, the sleeves, booklets, etc. have been on the cheap side. Compare the VMP Blue Note Anthology packaging with the Tone Poet series. Or that neither of the 2LP sets in the Ghostly box were gatefolds. I've enjoyed the music on both, but feel ripped off on the extras.

The crazy thing is, the community aspect is gone. That felt like a major selling point for both the first two sets, and now? It's just totally gone. There's no reason to think that, slowly but surely, the other bonus content will disappear and this'll end up just another overpriced box set. The whole concept of anthology is only worthwhile in so far as they offer content to meet the price; that's this whole discussion about value. But they're slowly removing the value-added aspect, even if those aspects were kind of garbage to begin with, at least they were there. I asked Storf about the community in Reddit and he ignored the question, but he did confirm that the liner notes will be on the typical cardstock.... which sucks, because, like you said, VMP has gone pretty cheap wherever they could get away with it.

I've done all three anthologies now. I think Motown was good, probably the best overall, but the price was also the worst. Ghostly has the best podcast, but the Motown packaging is infinitely better. I actually think Ghostly is kind of trash, to be totally honest. The "bonus material" for Ghostly has been like, some links to Youtube videos and some links to interviews, all done by different publications--the sort of shit I could come up with if I had 0 knowledge of the artists but their name and the ability to type into Google. That's about on par with what the Blue Note antho was like, in terms of bonus content. The Motown bonuses were decent, some actual new content and some of it I liked. Maybe they'll do that again for this Stax anthology; I got the sense that they farmed a lot of the work off to Ghostly for that antho, at least based off the one unboxing video I watch (which was Cam and the Ghostly guy dropping Millennial business marketing buzz words for a half hour), so maybe that's why the Ghostly stuff has been subpar overall.

I think the original idea of antho, as a box set shipped out over time, was good. I think it was a logistical nightmare and they fucked it up so hard that people flipped out, but I still think it's a really good idea and some other (competent) company could pull it off. However, at this point, the anthologies are just super overpriced box sets being sold as premium "experiences" which is just total marketing shit. The privacy sleeves are a joke. The unboxing videos are so stupidly lazy. They don't prepare for them at all and expect the viewers to come in with questions, as if it's our job to make these videos worthwhile. How any company could offer an unboxing video that's just some dude in his kitchen talking a bunch of random bullshit with 0 production value and 0 preparation at all blows my mind. They're not a small company. We should expect better, but it's kind of embarrassing. At least but a fucking webcam and a microphone for fuck's sake.

And yet, I love my Blue Note set. The conversations I had on here led me to really fall in love with jazz. That's what I want again, an actual community of people talking about the content and sharing information. I doubt that'll get replicated again, in all honesty. Maybe if they do another jazz antho. Maybe with this Stax one, who knows. At this point, I've accepted that the anthos are just overpriced box sets, and I'm only buying the ones I genuinely want (Stax being one of them, likely any other jazz set they put out) and I'm only buying those because I can afford it. If I weren't lucky enough to have a good job that pays well, I wouldn't buy these things.

Part of me thinks we're going to look back and mark this anthology thing as the point at which VMP jumped the shark (although I bet many on here would point to earlier points, all valid). It's the point at which any shred of the old "community" ethos was thrown out the window in favor of more profit. The "VMP treatment" used to sort of mean something, but now it stands for absurdly overinflated pricing, horrible QC, decent-to-above-average quality, and a commitment to FOMO marketing bullshit. The anthology is a very good symptom of what's wrong with the vinyl industry in general, and a very good indicator that it's a stupidly big bubble. If I didn't honestly still believe VMP's classics track was a good deal, I would've canceled my sub a while ago.

Hopefully VMP learns that business is a long term game. Sometimes, short term profits need to be tempered in favor of building good will in a community, providing good products and services, and focusing on giving a shit about their customer base. It's about growing a functional, thriving business, not just grabbing as much cash as possible before they get bought out by Walmart or whatever.

But I doubt it'll change.

Anyway, that rant is crazy, but I'll end it here with: I'm still buying this stupid Stax box set.
 
Also it's kind of disrespectful to brag that you throw out valuable goods that could have been given and used by less fortunate than you.

I'm gonna be honest, I'm sick of your discourse @NathanRicaud, all of this sound so shallow it actually hurts my morals. Also, the innuendo is back in force sometimes and maybe you should tone it down and not tell people to get laid.
You're right, because it would be so much better if Nathan was aggressively negative about all things VMP like most of the other people on here.

He is joking around, and his discourse is at least more interesting than the anti-VMP circle jerk that these forums have devolved into.

Nathan is allowed to throw his own shit out without being called morally reprehensible. JFC.

Queue Joe Mac calling me a shill for living in the same state at VMP, not understanding the scale of things here considering Colorado is the size of his home country.
 
You're right, because it would be so much better if Nathan was aggressively negative about all things VMP like most of the other people on here.

He is joking around, and his discourse is at least more interesting than the anti-VMP circle jerk that these forums have devolved into.

Nathan is allowed to throw his own shit out without being called morally reprehensible. JFC.

Queue Joe Mac calling me a shill for living in the same state at VMP, not understanding the scale of things here considering Colorado is the size of his home country.

Don’t you dare condescend me suggest that I’m incapable of comprehending anything. Also, more than a little bit disingenuous considering that they’re from Denver and so are you. Or coming from such an insignificantly small capital city am I incapable of understanding the scale of a minor US city?
 
The crazy thing is, the community aspect is gone. That felt like a major selling point for both the first two sets, and now? It's just totally gone. There's no reason to think that, slowly but surely, the other bonus content will disappear and this'll end up just another overpriced box set. The whole concept of anthology is only worthwhile in so far as they offer content to meet the price; that's this whole discussion about value. But they're slowly removing the value-added aspect, even if those aspects were kind of garbage to begin with, at least they were there. I asked Storf about the community in Reddit and he ignored the question, but he did confirm that the liner notes will be on the typical cardstock.... which sucks, because, like you said, VMP has gone pretty cheap wherever they could get away with it.

I've done all three anthologies now. I think Motown was good, probably the best overall, but the price was also the worst. Ghostly has the best podcast, but the Motown packaging is infinitely better. I actually think Ghostly is kind of trash, to be totally honest. The "bonus material" for Ghostly has been like, some links to Youtube videos and some links to interviews, all done by different publications--the sort of shit I could come up with if I had 0 knowledge of the artists but their name and the ability to type into Google. That's about on par with what the Blue Note antho was like, in terms of bonus content. The Motown bonuses were decent, some actual new content and some of it I liked. Maybe they'll do that again for this Stax anthology; I got the sense that they farmed a lot of the work off to Ghostly for that antho, at least based off the one unboxing video I watch (which was Cam and the Ghostly guy dropping Millennial business marketing buzz words for a half hour), so maybe that's why the Ghostly stuff has been subpar overall.

I think the original idea of antho, as a box set shipped out over time, was good. I think it was a logistical nightmare and they fucked it up so hard that people flipped out, but I still think it's a really good idea and some other (competent) company could pull it off. However, at this point, the anthologies are just super overpriced box sets being sold as premium "experiences" which is just total marketing shit. The privacy sleeves are a joke. The unboxing videos are so stupidly lazy. They don't prepare for them at all and expect the viewers to come in with questions, as if it's our job to make these videos worthwhile. How any company could offer an unboxing video that's just some dude in his kitchen talking a bunch of random bullshit with 0 production value and 0 preparation at all blows my mind. They're not a small company. We should expect better, but it's kind of embarrassing. At least but a fucking webcam and a microphone for fuck's sake.

And yet, I love my Blue Note set. The conversations I had on here led me to really fall in love with jazz. That's what I want again, an actual community of people talking about the content and sharing information. I doubt that'll get replicated again, in all honesty. Maybe if they do another jazz antho. Maybe with this Stax one, who knows. At this point, I've accepted that the anthos are just overpriced box sets, and I'm only buying the ones I genuinely want (Stax being one of them, likely any other jazz set they put out) and I'm only buying those because I can afford it. If I weren't lucky enough to have a good job that pays well, I wouldn't buy these things.

Part of me thinks we're going to look back and mark this anthology thing as the point at which VMP jumped the shark (although I bet many on here would point to earlier points, all valid). It's the point at which any shred of the old "community" ethos was thrown out the window in favor of more profit. The "VMP treatment" used to sort of mean something, but now it stands for absurdly overinflated pricing, horrible QC, decent-to-above-average quality, and a commitment to FOMO marketing bullshit. The anthology is a very good symptom of what's wrong with the vinyl industry in general, and a very good indicator that it's a stupidly big bubble. If I didn't honestly still believe VMP's classics track was a good deal, I would've canceled my sub a while ago.

Hopefully VMP learns that business is a long term game. Sometimes, short term profits need to be tempered in favor of building good will in a community, providing good products and services, and focusing on giving a shit about their customer base. It's about growing a functional, thriving business, not just grabbing as much cash as possible before they get bought out by Walmart or whatever.

But I doubt it'll change.

Anyway, that rant is crazy, but I'll end it here with: I'm still buying this stupid Stax box set.
It's not crazy, you hit a lot of the points right on the head.

I think I'm really disappointed with the Ghostly set and VMP, not with music, but with the utter fact that I'm no closer to understanding the label and its history/context then if I had just played the Ghostly Swim compilations on Spotify. I hate the cardstock liner notes - they are so cheap looking and an utter storage pain.

I was able to overlook Blue Note because its history was more familiar to me and jazz is a lot easier to do the dive into historically than the electronic realm of Ghostly. I feel like a large disservice was done there.

As to Stax, I think getting Robert Gordon's book and picking up albums a la carte will do more for me than the Anthology will to be honest.
 
You're right, because it would be so much better if Nathan was aggressively negative about all things VMP like most of the other people on here.

He is joking around, and his discourse is at least more interesting than the anti-VMP circle jerk that these forums have devolved into.

Nathan is allowed to throw his own shit out without being called morally reprehensible. JFC.

Queue Joe Mac calling me a shill for living in the same state at VMP, not understanding the scale of things here considering Colorado is the size of his home country.
I don't see what the comment you responded to had to do with VMP.

The majority of the discussion in this thread has been people who just wish VMP would do better, but are fairly pointing out issues that they have.

If you've written off the whole community that's fine. I don't really get why you want to wade in here trolling like this though, that certainly is only adding to the negativity.
 
As to Stax, I think getting Robert Gordon's book and picking up albums a la carte will do more for me than the Anthology will to be honest.

I think you're probably right about this. I'm thinking about going this route for future anthos, especially ones I'm not particularly excited about. I wish I had just grabbed a few of the Ghostly records in black to be honest, but oh well.
 
You're right, because it would be so much better if Nathan was aggressively negative about all things VMP like most of the other people on here.

He is joking around, and his discourse is at least more interesting than the anti-VMP circle jerk that these forums have devolved into.

Nathan is allowed to throw his own shit out without being called morally reprehensible. JFC.

Queue Joe Mac calling me a shill for living in the same state at VMP, not understanding the scale of things here considering Colorado is the size of his home country.
Uhm, one person went negative on @NathanRicaud, one, the rest of us have been having a light hearted back and forth about it while discussing the release. You popping up ONLY when this stuff happens doesn't help your case.......but welcome back :)
 
You're right, because it would be so much better if Nathan was aggressively negative about all things VMP like most of the other people on here.

He is joking around, and his discourse is at least more interesting than the anti-VMP circle jerk that these forums have devolved into.

Nathan is allowed to throw his own shit out without being called morally reprehensible. JFC.

Queue Joe Mac calling me a shill for living in the same state at VMP, not understanding the scale of things here considering Colorado is the size of his home country.

I'm gonna clarify before this becomes more of a shitstorm than it already is. I'm fine with Nathan stanning VMP, it's his right, and he enjoys it so far.

I'm more annoyed when he tries to hammer his point home to others while semi-hitting on them and really going overboard with some comments. That's it. I'm not behind every one of his posts trying to neg him down, just stating how it makes me feel.

And yes, I could be ignoring him, as the forum features this option. I tried, but the guy posts so much that it makes some topics hard to follow tbh.
 
Don’t you dare condescend me suggest that I’m incapable of comprehending anything. Also, more than a little bit disingenuous considering that they’re from Denver and so are you. Or coming from such an insignificantly small capital city am I incapable of understanding the scale of a minor US city?
Yes because waving off everything I say because I live in the same state as VMP isn't condescending.

I'm fairly certain their offices are not in Denver, but in Boulder, which is a 90 minute drive from me. Not that any of this is relevant.

Sorry, I'm not trying to cause a shitstorm, though it seems like every time I post I do. I'll go back to occasionally lurking again. Cheers!
 
Yes because waving off everything I say because I live in the same state as VMP isn't condescending.

I'm fairly certain their offices are not in Denver, but in Boulder, which is a 90 minute drive from me. Not that any of this is relevant.

Sorry, I'm not trying to cause a shitstorm, though it seems like every time I post I do. I'll go back to occasionally lurking again. Cheers!

I mean I apologised and so did you for provoking me back in October. I’ve not mentioned it or you, or even thought about either since. But yeah that’s not relevant when you want to demean me at all. You just continue to lurk and play the victim.
 
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