Vinyl Me Please Anthology

If the masters are gone, then they are gone; which is obviously unfortunate.
But honestly, after this past year with VMP, I would prefer well mastered, digitally-sourced records pressed at QRP, than AAA pressed at GZ. I got lucky with my Herbie box and only needed one replacement, but based on the Essentials, R&HH, and Country tracks, I feel pretty fortunate I didn't have to ask for half a box of replacements.
Yes, fair enough. It is simply a fact that most Impulse first gen masters no longer exist. I would have no problem with quality 2nd gen tapes - these are used more often that many realize despite the claim of AAA from original masters, as the new definition of master tape is whatever is the best tape left.

An Impulse box cannot be legitimate without representation from John Coltrane, Archie Shepp, Albert Ayler, Yusef Lateef, Pharoah Sanders and Alice Coltrane, who were the cornerstones of the label. Their finest work was on Impulse.

Some artists were incidental to Impulse and never really fit the Impulse esthetic. Sonny only did 2 records (Alfie IMO is an outlier and not terribly interesting), Blakey was only because he was between contracts and never fit (and the album is nowhere near what came after on Blue Note), Oliver Nelson did a masterpiece but it has been done to death by now, and so on. Marion Brown was vital, and so was Chico Hamilton, but warhorses from late period Coleman Hawkins

But there are real gems that deserve to be unearthed. The ABC period was incredibly fertile. John Klemmer, Michael White, Gato Barbieri, Sam Rivers and Keith Jarrett did some of their most ground breaking work during the ABC period.

Another retread of Ellington/Coltrane, ALS, or some of the lamer early titles, would not be welcome.

Last point - there is STILL unreleased studio recordings of Coltrane with tapes available. Late period complete recordings. If they could get them, and wanted to put an Impulse box way over the top, doing an unreleased Coltrane record would be the way to do it.
 
I imagine a lot of the tapes are gone, but they will take what they can get and probably pick some more obscure titles by big artists . Probably won’t be many retreads from the Acoustic Sounds series though which had all the heavy hitters
 
An Impulse box cannot be legitimate without representation from John Coltrane, Archie Shepp, Albert Ayler, Yusef Lateef, Pharoah Sanders and Alice Coltrane, who were the cornerstones of the label. Their finest work was on Impulse.

Some artists were incidental to Impulse and never really fit the Impulse esthetic. Sonny only did 2 records (Alfie IMO is an outlier and not terribly interesting), Blakey was only because he was between contracts and never fit (and the album is nowhere near what came after on Blue Note), Oliver Nelson did a masterpiece but it has been done to death by now, and so on. Marion Brown was vital, and so was Chico Hamilton, but warhorses from late period Coleman Hawkins

But there are real gems that deserve to be unearthed. The ABC period was incredibly fertile. John Klemmer, Michael White, Gato Barbieri, Sam Rivers and Keith Jarrett did some of their most ground breaking work during the ABC period.

Another retread of Ellington/Coltrane, ALS, or some of the lamer early titles, would not be welcome.

Last point - there is STILL unreleased studio recordings of Coltrane with tapes available. Late period complete recordings. If they could get them, and wanted to put an Impulse box way over the top, doing an unreleased Coltrane record would be the way to do it.

Well, I’m on the record guessing:

Kai Winding and J.J. Johnson - The Great Kai & J.J. (Impulse #1)
Benny Carter & His Orchestra - Further Definitions
John Coltrane - Africa/Brass
Charles Mingus - Mingus Plays Piano
Alice Coltrane - Ptah, El Doud (Featuring Pharoah Sanders and Joe Henderson)
Albert Ayler - In Greenwich Village
Chico Hamilton - The Dealer
Sons of Kemet - Your Queen is a Reptile

But I’d happily swap out the Benny Carter album (or Mingus album) for Lateef’s Live at Pep’s, Klemmer's Magic and Movement, of Shepp's Four for Trane.

I think there is zero chance they do unreleased Coltrane stuff (for this). Universal would be throwing away money, and I can't imagine the Coltrane family would ok that being buried in a box set, unless it was just a John Coltrane Anthology.
 
Agree, unreleased Coltrane on this is a pipe dream.

I hope they do not do any recent titles. They may have the Impulse logo, but have nothing whatsoever to do with the label as it was conceived and run in the 60's and 70's. Impulse was Bob Thiele, and after Ed Michel. Both I feel are the 'true' Impulse label.

Live At Pep's was an ABC era release of vault tapes, they would be better to represent the period where Lateef was active on the label and did an amazing run of records. Unfortunately, all Impulse Lateef tapes were destroyed, as were all Ayler.

Africa/Brass has a fabulous reissue on SC from before the tapes went up in flames.

I'm not a fan of The Dealer, but to each their own. Too much Chico trying to attract an avant-garde rock audience with Coryell. The masterpiece, Man From Two World, would be much more fitting to me.

Interesting, though, about the Kai/JJ. I didn't remember it was Impulse 1. Would be a great tribute to start the anthology with it.

Last thought - Ornette's two Impulse albums were never reissued, due to Ornette having some grudge against Impulse and owning the rights. Very unlikely, and I would imagine that most people who know of these albums have an original already, but if they could shake them loose, it would be amazing.
 
ornette and alice's "ptah el daoud" would make the box an instant must-have. Agreed that unreleased coltrane is not going to happen -- given the furor over 'both directions at once' and how much money was made, there's no reason anyone remotely sane would agree to put anything on that level of interest and potential money-making in box set, limiting both it's appeal and marketability.

very likely they'll drop in someone recent (likely at impulse's insistence)

I got lucky with my Herbie box and only needed one replacement, but based on the Essentials, R&HH, and Country tracks, I feel pretty fortunate I didn't have to ask for half a box of replacements.
herbie, grateful dead and metal blade boxes were basically bowl factories. PIF thread was full of 'em. I think Mather is personally responsible for at least two people's grateful dead bowl collections.
 
ornette and alice's "ptah el daoud" would make the box an instant must-have. Agreed that unreleased coltrane is not going to happen -- given the furor over 'both directions at once' and how much money was made, there's no reason anyone remotely sane would agree to put anything on that level of interest and potential money-making in box set, limiting both it's appeal and marketability.

very likely they'll drop in someone recent (likely at impulse's insistence)


herbie, grateful dead and metal blade boxes were basically bowl factories. PIF thread was full of 'em. I think Mather is personally responsible for at least two people's grateful dead bowl collections.
I know people want Ptah but I will be really shocked if they do that album. From most accounts, tapes don’t exist anymore after the fire and you’d think if someone had access to tapes or even a high res transfer someone would have done a reissue by now. It would be a huge get for them and probably cause the box set to instantly sell out.
 
Yeah, I don't see any hard-to-find exclusives destined to be in the box. It would be awesome for them but the interest would be so high that not having a wider release is basically throwing away money. I picked up a digitally sourced boot of ptah from juno and i'm ok with it. It's not amazing but it's acceptable.
 
Yeah, I don't see any hard-to-find exclusives destined to be in the box. It would be awesome for them but the interest would be so high that not having a wider release is basically throwing away money. I picked up a digitally sourced boot of ptah from juno and i'm ok with it. It's not amazing but it's acceptable.
Chad from AS was asked about Alice Coltrane and he kinda laughed and said he would never release Ptah or any of her stuff because the quality of the tapes/transfers aren't good. Plus I just don't think he likes it...but I'd have a hard time seeing a really high quality reissue of that one coming out. It's still so sad that Impulse/Universal lost so many important master tapes in that fire.
 
Chad from AS was asked about Alice Coltrane and he kinda laughed and said he would never release Ptah or any of her stuff because the quality of the tapes/transfers aren't good. Plus I just don't think he likes it...but I'd have a hard time seeing a really high quality reissue of that one coming out. It's still so sad that Impulse/Universal lost so many important master tapes in that fire.

I finally broke down and ordered a boot of Ptah that had pretty decent reviews just to have something to spin. Should be arriving this week or next.
Will happily pick up something official if it ever happens but will be happier having this copy in the meanwhile, I reckon.
 
Yeah, I don't see any hard-to-find exclusives destined to be in the box. It would be awesome for them but the interest would be so high that not having a wider release is basically throwing away money. I picked up a digitally sourced boot of ptah from juno and i'm ok with it. It's not amazing but it's acceptable.
How is shipping to the US from Juno? Decent packaging?
 
I picked up a digitally sourced boot of ptah from juno and i'm ok with it. It's not amazing but it's acceptable.

I missed this in my grogginess earlier. That's the one I have coming.

How is shipping to the US from Juno? Decent packaging?

Can't speak to cost for US, but in Canada it's significantly cheaper for me to order from Juno than anywhere in Canada - which is silly. Packaging for me has 95% of the time has been good plus or better. I had them send one thing in less than stellar packaging once, but it fortunately arrived unscathed! I'm definitely a fan of Juno.


EDIT to add: The packaging on my Lanquidity box set a while back was pretty much bomb proof!
 
I missed this in my grogginess earlier. That's the one I have coming.



Can't speak to cost for US, but in Canada it's significantly cheaper for me to order from Juno than anywhere in Canada - which is silly. Packaging for me has 95% of the time has been good plus or better. I had them send one thing in less than stellar packaging once, but it fortunately arrived unscathed! I'm definitely a fan of Juno.


EDIT to add: The packaging on my Lanquidity box set a while back was pretty much bomb proof!
Looks like it's $10 to ship to the US. Not too bad.
 
How is shipping to the US from Juno? Decent packaging?
packaging is fine. nothing terrible but nothing amazing either. nothing's come in bad shape but i've only ordered 1 or 2 at a time so they just use a regular mailer. shipping cost isn't bad -- i want to say it was like 5 or 6 bucks? i haven't had to deal with any returns or exchanges, so i don't know how they are about that.
 
I know people want Ptah but I will be really shocked if they do that album. From most accounts, tapes don’t exist anymore after the fire and you’d think if someone had access to tapes or even a high res transfer someone would have done a reissue by now. It would be a huge get for them and probably cause the box set to instantly sell out.
Here's a hint. Superior Viaduct are huge Alice fans. They have done every title they could get a transfer for. Ptah The El Daoud is one they did not do.
 
Another retread of Ellington/Coltrane, ALS, or some of the lamer early titles, would not be welcome.
those wouldn’t make it into an anthology unless they get pressed on color vinyl. Most of the Coltrane Impulse catalogue is being rereleased as part of the Acoustic Sounds releases.
 
I think I might’ve gotten the last restock of the Herbie anthology. And I just made an order for the Quincy set because goddamn it, it just looks damned pretty.
 
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