Vinyl Me Please (store, exclusives, swaps, etc)

gaporter said:
Ok, look, I can't speak for anyone else obviously, but this right here is the problem I’m having with all of this.

By saying things like “there needs to be a definite statement”, you're making it sound like you're appealing to some employees at a business to release a statement, when this forum was basically started in opposition to that exact kind of mentality. We’re not running a company here, man. There doesn't have to be strict guidelines on what can be said where and who is allowed to respond to certain things.

I agree with the sentiment that people should not be attacked for their feelings about VMP. You're completely justified in getting upset if someone gives you shit purely because you're a member or not a member of VMP. But that doesn't seem to be what happened here, as others are trying to characterize it.

You posted a long report about your meeting with someone from VMP about the state of the company. Even further, you posted a status about it, inviting people who don't usually look at the forums about VMP (like me) to see what this is all about. And at this point, I’m confused about what exactly your motive was. You say you wanted to share the info with those who would be interested, without realizing someone can dislike VMP but still be interested in what you have to say. You seem to suggest that if you had done your report and only been met by posts from people saying “thanks for sharing”, then it would have all been fine. But this is a *discussion* thread. People come here to *discuss* what has been posted. And you seem to be of the mind that negative feedback to your report is coming solely from people coming at your neck just from the crime of daring to mention VMP.

There's a difference between trolls giving you hell just because and people genuinely responding and reacting to what you've posted. You can't make the decision that, if you don't like what they have to say about your post, their input is invalid. It is relevant that people say what they feel about VMP truthfully, and judging by the response to your report, many remain unconvinced that this meeting really means anything. That’s not an attack on you; that's a response to what you openly posted in a public forum.

Your request that you be told explicitly what you can and can't do on the forum makes no sense. The threads for posting about VMP are for posting about VMP. That includes discussion of both the positive and negative aspects of VMP. If someone uses this very thread to complain and let others know about a delay or a consistent, prevalent defect in a product from their store, they are using it the way it is intended. If you are so worried about not knowing if what you are posting in a specific thread is “allowed” in that thread, then just create a new thread for it.

As many others have stated, this is nothing meant to offend or insult you. But you need to be willing to accept that not everyone has an overly optimistic view of VMP, and that what you posted was in some ways essentially a mouthpiece for VMP to project onto the forum, and if you can't see why that might not be 100% welcomed on this particular forum, then I'm not quite sure what else to say.
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This post is 100% money.
 
panino said:
What are people afraid of exactly? A dissenting opinion? Because apart from that, and some marginally more confrontational comments, I personally haven’t seen anything that grants fear or terror of commenting in here
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I can pretty much guarantee that no one is in fear here at all, at least not in any serious sense.
 
sjaygray said:
This new rising artist, Huntly is doing nothing for me so far.

Also, if it matters, I've never felt afraid to post anything here, pro-VMP, anti-VMP, or otherwise.
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AnthonyI said:
I liked the first couple of tracks, then it fell short for me, might have to listen to it a few times. The cover doesn't bother me........but that's me.
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NathanRicaud said:
I just can’t get behind Huntly’s lead vocalist.....🙅‍♂️

It just screams “white girl auditioning for The Voice/American Idol, who thinks they are hot shit, but no one wants to tell her that her vocals are meh because she will break down and not cope with the reality” 🙈

This is unfortunately my least favourite VMP Rising in a very long time 😭
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Hey - I'm not gonna try to convince you about this album's merits one way or another, but I will say this, make sure you listen to the title track Low Grade Buzz, which is the last track on the album. Easy not to get to if you fall off early. That was the first single released back in April ( i think ) and it had me super stoked for this new band. The entire album is not on that track's level. I can see them being a bit polarizing. I mean, there's also a good chance that you don't like the lazy vibe to this title track either, but thought I'd make you aware of it.
 
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i dunnoo much about a-b besides that old drama about charles manson and she used to run the store threads back when those were a thing
 
resik said:
Probably stoking the fires here, but I need to make a comment about this.

If you have this mindset, you're either ignorant of what is actually being released or you have shallow tastes in music.
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My comment was not meant to imply what people are taking away at all. Thus my follow up.

I was leaving room for peoples opinion on what’s good or not. Nothing more. I don’t consider myself to know the answer.

Frankly, what’s “good” is relative as is what’s “shallow”.

I don’t disagree with anyone about equal opportunity. I don’t doubt that it is an issue in an old industry.

I simple disagree on what the solution should be or the measuring stick being recommended here to determine we’re doing enough.

I’ll leave it alone. I just loath the kind of open mindedness wherein i must whole heartedly agree with all points.
 
Captainfog said:
A-B is sound. I like her a lot and I think her curation is really good.
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I don't disagree, and I posted more than a few times at the old place that I really missed her when she left the forums.

But I think Indy summed it up very well.

Indymisanthrope said:
Yeah, I won't say she has bad taste, because clearly plenty of people like it, but just like you learn which political commentators' or movie critics' opinions you're likely to agree with, I find that her A&R is not my thing. Almost none of the Risings have interested me, ever.
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Captainfog said:
I'm a customer. I'm also currently wearing a VMP branded sweatshirt. I've not been offended by any of the negative VMP comments.
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I think the issue @LG&M is expressing (forgive me if I'm wrong), and something I see in rare cases, is that occasionally comments legitimately criticizing the way VMP does business can veer off into making fun of people who still buy from them. Usually positioning VMP customers as newbs uninformed about record collecting and music in general.

In my experience, it was a lot more prevalent in the flurry of the initial N&G opening and has died down, but I still see it pop up from time to time. I have never been offended by the comments and it's never made me want to not post my opinions, but I do see how it could be off-putting to some. But gatekeeping will most likely be a problem with all enthusiast communities.
 
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