Vinyl Me Please (store, exclusives, swaps, etc)

Ethos99 said:
Anyone see this?
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Why are they sending people here to discuss warped Dawes records? :ROFLMAO:
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I say let them come here. VMP is trying to censor complaints rather than have an open and honest dialogue with customers. As this site continues to grow, we will out rank them in search results. People need a place where they can appropriate share information and concerns with other users and potential users. VMP decided to go backwards because it doesn’t have an immediate or direct ROI.
This guy shouldn’t have been edited like that, we should welcome him.

TenderLovingKiller® said:
It's almost like they are saying go whine about your "issues" somewhere else. I am surprised that the reddit mods are that intermeshed with VMP's. I guess they'll do whatever it takes to keep those Storf posts coming in.
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Reddit does offer “paid partnerships.” This would make sense with their business first direction.
Option 1 - hire more staff to manage and grow their existing community, which they obviously didn’t want to do. I strongly believe they foresaw a number of issues coming with the exclusive pre-order change. And given the QC errors I think they knew they were sending out some questionable pressing right at that time as well.
Option 2 - pay someone else to do a big chunk of moderation, and put it somewhere that we aren’t expected to maintain. If the expense gets too high or the books get tight, we just drop the contract.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
*At least two* (maybe more) of the reddit mods are active users here (take a bow @MattHasIdeas and @chrb98 ). I don't recognize the other names, but they may be posters here as well. From what I understand, Cam has a mod account but has never used it that way, and the board is basically run completely independently of VMP influence. Anyway, the explanation can probably be taken at face value, IMO: reddit's format isn't good for repeated complaints about that kind of thing, but our forum is.
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I agree and of course we should welcome them here.

Its ok that they send them, just funny.
 
Well firstly, none of us do anything at the request of VMP, and I can ASSURE you no one is getting paid for any of this lol

FWIW I personally wouldn't have recommended someone bring their complaints here. But the rationale for removing the thread from the mod who did it, which I agree with, was that one-off isolated QC incidents are a random inevitability when buying vinyl, especially online. One copy being warped, or one seam being split, is oftentimes just a one-off irregularity and not indicative of a pressing-wide defect. If everyone made an individual post for every record they got that's warped or every sleeve that was creased, the VMP subreddit would be drowned out by those posts. This is because the way that reddit formats its content and front pages is vastly different from a regular web forum - you can only sticky two posts, comments are sorted by upvotes instead of time, popular posts fall off the front page within a day - and a bunch of repetitions of the same thread would drown out any other content, unlike on a web forum where a popular thread can always be on the front page no matter how old it is. So, if a whole thread is made just for one person's individual issues or CS questions, we tend to remove those. We do keep track of what records pop up as issues though - we're all in agreement that if we notice multiple people making threads/comments about the same issue with the same record, we should have a sort-of "diagnosis" thread to spread awareness of the issue, as in that case it's more likely to actually be a pressing-wide defect. That way, the community can put pressure on VMP to acknowledge the issue and rectify it. BTW that's also why we always allow threads about misleading advertising from VMP, persisent and wide-spread issues, etc. Because a community is needed to address and push back against those issues.

Small edit: Just in case it helps shine a light on the situation, @Indymisanthrope is correct - Cam's reddit account is a moderator, but he hasn't been active at all in at least 4 years. He can't be removed by us because he was a moderator first, but he has never once removed a thread or taken any other mod action
 
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Indymisanthrope said:
*At least two* (maybe more) of the reddit mods are active users here (take a bow @MattHasIdeas and @chrb98 ). I don't recognize the other names, but they may be posters here as well. From what I understand, Cam has a mod account but has never used it that way, and the board is basically run completely independently of VMP influence. Anyway, the explanation can probably be taken at face value, IMO: reddit's format isn't good for repeated complaints about that kind of thing, but our forum is.
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Allow me to explain myself. I am the moderator who originally removed the post about the warped Dawes record. I did this before I was made aware that this was a more widespread issue. At the time, it was just one subscriber, and I'll be honest -- with how volatile this community can be, I thought it best at the time to remove it.

If it really was just an isolated issue, I didn't want people screaming on the subreddit -- "The sky is falling! VMP QA sucks! Storf is an asshole! Classic VMP. They fuck everything up! BLA BLA BLA". I was trying to prevent this type of thing happening.

I saw today that multiple people were reporting the same defect on side A of the Dawes record. I opened up the original post that I had quarantined, issued an apology to the original poster. Anything that other mods did like directing people to Needles and Grooves -- that wasn't me. I'm not saying I disagree with that move. I'm just saying that it wasn't my recommendation.

I will say wholeheartedly -- I like Storf. I've never had a problem with him since the early days of the original forum. My job as a moderator on the subreddit is to make sure people feel heard, that malignant/harmful posts are dealt with, and that we can all be civil and engage in meaningful conversations.
 
MattHasIdeas said:
Allow me to explain myself. I am the moderator who originally removed the post about the warped Dawes record. I did this before I was made aware that this was a more widespread issue. At the time, it was just one subscriber, and I'll be honest -- with how volatile this community can be, I thought it best at the time to remove it.

If it really was just an isolated issue, I didn't want people screaming on the subreddit -- "The sky is falling! VMP QA sucks! Storf is an asshole! Classic VMP. They fuck everything up! BLA BLA BLA". I was trying to prevent this type of thing happening.

I saw today that multiple people were reporting the same defect on side A of the Dawes record. I opened up the original post that I had quarantined, issued an apology to the original poster. Anything that other mods did like directing people to Needles and Grooves -- that wasn't me. I'm not saying I disagree with that move. I'm just saying that it wasn't my recommendation.

I will say wholeheartedly -- I like Storf. I've never had a problem with him since the early days of the original forum. My job as a moderator on the subreddit is to make sure people feel heard, that malignant/harmful posts are dealt with, and that we can all be civil and engage in meaningful conversations.
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I missed this, but out of curiosity, was the original Dawes posting that was complaining about it being warped and was then deleted found to be provactive, egregious, or harmful in any sort of way? If it was just a complaint of a warped record and it was deleted, then how are people supposed to be alerted to some sort of large scale defect? It’s gotta start somewhere. As you said, your job is to make sure people feel heard.
 
Tys1 said:
I missed this, but out of curiosity, was the original Dawes posting that was complaining about it being warped and was then deleted found to be provactive, egregious, or harmful in any sort of way? If it was just a complaint of a warped record and it was deleted, then how are people supposed to be alerted to some sort of large scale defect? It’s gotta start somewhere. As you said, your job is to make sure people feel heard.
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I think your question just points to reddit being a poor format for most things like this. Or civilized discourse in general(down votes meaning your not heard at all).
 
Tys1 said:
I missed this, but out of curiosity, was the original Dawes posting that was complaining about it being warped and was then deleted found to be provactive, egregious, or harmful in any sort of way? If it was just a complaint of a warped record and it was deleted, then how are people supposed to be alerted to some sort of large scale defect? It’s gotta start somewhere. As you said, your job is to make sure people feel heard.
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Listen - It was a judgement call. It's what I went with at the time. Maybe it wasn't the best call, but -- you live, you learn. In hindsight, I probably should have just left it alone.
 
chrb98 said:
Well firstly, none of us do anything at the request of VMP, and I can ASSURE you no one is getting paid for any of this lol

FWIW I personally wouldn't have recommended someone bring their complaints here. But the rationale for removing the thread from the mod who did it, which I agree with, was that one-off isolated QC incidents are a random inevitability when buying vinyl, especially online. One copy being warped, or one seam being split, is oftentimes just a one-off irregularity and not indicative of a pressing-wide defect. If everyone made an individual post for every record they got that's warped or every sleeve that was creased, the VMP subreddit would be drowned out by those posts. This is because the way that reddit formats its content and front pages is vastly different from a regular web forum - you can only sticky two posts, comments are sorted by upvotes instead of time, popular posts fall off the front page within a day - and a bunch of repetitions of the same thread would drown out any other content, unlike on a web forum where a popular thread can always be on the front page no matter how old it is. So, if a whole thread is made just for one person's individual issues or CS questions, we tend to remove those. We do keep track of what records pop up as issues though - we're all in agreement that if we notice multiple people making threads/comments about the same issue with the same record, we should have a sort-of "diagnosis" thread to spread awareness of the issue, as in that case it's more likely to actually be a pressing-wide defect. That way, the community can put pressure on VMP to acknowledge the issue and rectify it. BTW that's also why we always allow threads about misleading advertising from VMP, persisent and wide-spread issues, etc. Because a community is needed to address and push back against those issues.

Small edit: Just in case it helps shine a light on the situation, @Indymisanthrope is correct - Cam's reddit account is a moderator, but he hasn't been active at all in at least 4 years. He can't be removed by us because he was a moderator first, but he has never once removed a thread or taken any other mod action
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I think you should recommend they come here. Obviously reddit is not a free, clean and organized discussion forum and they are better served by coming here.

They will probably not get the informative a collaborative discussion they are looking for.
 
chrb98 said:
Well firstly, none of us do anything at the request of VMP, and I can ASSURE you no one is getting paid for any of this lol

FWIW I personally wouldn't have recommended someone bring their complaints here. But the rationale for removing the thread from the mod who did it, which I agree with, was that one-off isolated QC incidents are a random inevitability when buying vinyl, especially online. One copy being warped, or one seam being split, is oftentimes just a one-off irregularity and not indicative of a pressing-wide defect. If everyone made an individual post for every record they got that's warped or every sleeve that was creased, the VMP subreddit would be drowned out by those posts. This is because the way that reddit formats its content and front pages is vastly different from a regular web forum - you can only sticky two posts, comments are sorted by upvotes instead of time, popular posts fall off the front page within a day - and a bunch of repetitions of the same thread would drown out any other content, unlike on a web forum where a popular thread can always be on the front page no matter how old it is. So, if a whole thread is made just for one person's individual issues or CS questions, we tend to remove those. We do keep track of what records pop up as issues though - we're all in agreement that if we notice multiple people making threads/comments about the same issue with the same record, we should have a sort-of "diagnosis" thread to spread awareness of the issue, as in that case it's more likely to actually be a pressing-wide defect. That way, the community can put pressure on VMP to acknowledge the issue and rectify it. BTW that's also why we always allow threads about misleading advertising from VMP, persisent and wide-spread issues, etc. Because a community is needed to address and push back against those issues.

Small edit: Just in case it helps shine a light on the situation, @Indymisanthrope is correct - Cam's reddit account is a moderator, but he hasn't been active at all in at least 4 years. He can't be removed by us because he was a moderator first, but he has never once removed a thread or taken any other mod action
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MattHasIdeas said:
Allow me to explain myself. I am the moderator who originally removed the post about the warped Dawes record. I did this before I was made aware that this was a more widespread issue. At the time, it was just one subscriber, and I'll be honest -- with how volatile this community can be, I thought it best at the time to remove it.

If it really was just an isolated issue, I didn't want people screaming on the subreddit -- "The sky is falling! VMP QA sucks! Storf is an asshole! Classic VMP. They fuck everything up! BLA BLA BLA". I was trying to prevent this type of thing happening.

I saw today that multiple people were reporting the same defect on side A of the Dawes record. I opened up the original post that I had quarantined, issued an apology to the original poster. Anything that other mods did like directing people to Needles and Grooves -- that wasn't me. I'm not saying I disagree with that move. I'm just saying that it wasn't my recommendation.

I will say wholeheartedly -- I like Storf. I've never had a problem with him since the early days of the original forum. My job as a moderator on the subreddit is to make sure people feel heard, that malignant/harmful posts are dealt with, and that we can all be civil and engage in meaningful conversations.
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Thank you both for the direct and honest feedback. Highly valuable to shed some light on the process and reasoning. You didn't have to speak up about this, but I'm glad both of you did. That kind of integrity is one of my favorite parts of this community.
 
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