Neverending Covid-19 Coronavirus

nolalady said:
If we have better data, we can build a decently robust model so we know how fast it's spreading, where there are potential hot spots--so we can best direct resources and create mandates on a local level, and how many people who are at risk are likely to get sick so we know how much of whatever we need. Also, you mention "flattening the curve". We won't know if we are doing that without good data, and for that, we need to start testing a lot more people.
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Maybe so - But surely using other countries as models for best Practice and using their data to perfect your own measures makes sense ? - See Italy & China for example. I dont i agi e 5e data is anywhere bear accurate in these areas, but 5he measures they put in place certainly stopped the spread.
Im no expert just going off what im reading.

I just cant see more testing ever producing anywhere bear an accurate number. Can you not still go off percentages of positives from smaller sample numbers ?
 
I'm actively watching someone refute that the United States has less ability to handle and manage the coronavirus.

For example, the report that the United States has less ICU beds available than most countries in Europe per 100,000.

They pulled out some figures and charts that show we have more by far than any other country.

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But the issue is most of these beds are not general purpose ICU beds with access to resperiaters. Only 42% of the beds are general ICU and even fewer of them have access to respirations and we don't actually have statistics to show how many do. Most of the critical care beds are highly specialized in neonatal or cardiovascular. Sure they could be converted into general purpose ICU beds. But where are the people going to go that need those rooms. Heart attacks aren't going to stop simply because of coronavirus. Also, we couldn't even get the equipment and respirators fast enough to convert these beds.

So in terms of ICU beds available to combat coronavirus, the US does in fact have less than several countries in Europe.

This person is going on about the reports come cable news and are slanted. If they were reporting actual information such as we don't have enough beds available that would be truthful reporting. But reporting that we don't have as many beds available as other countries shows an agenda and should not be tolerated.
 
ByersVinyl said:
Maybe so - But surely using other countries as models for best Practice and using their data to perfect your own measures makes sense ? - See Italy & China for example. I dont i agi e 5e data is anywhere bear accurate in these areas, but 5he measures they put in place certainly stopped the spread.
Im no expert just going off what im reading.

I just cant see more testing ever producing anywhere bear an accurate number. Can you not still go off percentages of positives from smaller sample numbers ?
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No, it really isn’t good enough off smaller samples if you’re only testing when symptoms are bad. A more representative picture is gained when testing a broader spectrum and of more people, especially with a newer virus.
 
Djxfactor511 said:
Hospital workers have their temperatures taken while on the job. That's as much as I know. I agree with you but, you know, US healthcare system.
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I work at a hospital in Washington State. We've had 3 deaths and positive cases over 20. They are NOT taking temps here. They are NOT testing healthcare workers. We cancelled our sugeries/procedures deemed "elective". We've limited who comes in/out to people with a reason to be there plus 1.
We also had anti-viral wipes and face masks w/eye shields go on backorder for us today.

Just stay home if you can people. It's gonna get ugly out there.
 
FYI, I'm down 2. I have 3 sitting on the shelf ready to offer, but a) won't get them shipped quickly and b) don't want to ship anything unnecessary right now, so I'm going to hold up on offering right now.

If I claimed something from you and you haven't shipped, take your time. No worries here.
#PIFpause
 
batkins said:
I work at a hospital in Washington State. We've had 3 deaths and positive cases over 20. They are NOT taking temps here. They are NOT testing healthcare workers. We cancelled our sugeries/procedures deemed "elective". We've limited who comes in/out to people with a reason to be there plus 1.
We also had anti-viral wipes and face masks w/eye shields go on backorder for us today.

Just stay home if you can people. It's gonna get ugly out there.
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First and foremost, Thank You for what you do, my wife also works in a hospital and leaves home in tears every morning because of the unknown. Why some people still haven't gotten a clue yet is beyond me, she comes home tired, stressed and then see's a bunch of spring breakers crowding beaches and carrying on like it was nothing. Her stress level is at a 15, mine is at a 10 worrying about her.

People, do everyone a favor and stay home, our medical folks are going to work for US, the least you can do is stay home for THEM.
 
ByersVinyl said:
Maybe so - But surely using other countries as models for best Practice and using their data to perfect your own measures makes sense ? - See Italy & China for example. I dont i agi e 5e data is anywhere bear accurate in these areas, but 5he measures they put in place certainly stopped the spread.
Im no expert just going off what im reading.

I just cant see more testing ever producing anywhere bear an accurate number. Can you not still go off percentages of positives from smaller sample numbers ?
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I don't want to harp on this but testing is crucial if you want to get a handle on something like this. Early on it's primordial to slow it down (I realize it's likely too late for that in parts of the US, but it may not be too late everywhere). It's also crucial in hospitals to protect valuable health care workers.

Then, even if you don't test everyone (would be great if you could, but it's not possible at this point), you need the data to see where you are in the epidemic and to see if there are any hotspots so you can divert limited resources properly.

It's been said that not doing massive testing in an epidemic is like fighting a fire blind-folded.
 
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