Definitive Audiophile pressings

I’m with you on not shelling out for the monos. I’ve thought about a mono cart but it’s nothing I’d do soon. I was going to grab the half speed stereo since it was affordable. Haven’t heard it, hope it sounds good!
I've heard the high res stream. It does sound good, but the difference I find between it and the early presses are that they softened it a lot to deal with the vocal sibilance from Lennon and whatnot, so it very much sounds like a song that you are listening to on tape, rather than a band that's playing in the room with you.
 
Someone will need to explain this mono thing to me... my equipment doesn't speak mono vs stereo.


I have a source direct button to turn off bass treble and that is about all.

Sorry to be slow with this topic.
 
Someone will need to explain this mono thing to me... my equipment doesn't speak mono vs stereo.


I have a source direct button to turn off bass treble and that is about all.

Sorry to be slow with this topic.
Very roughly, Stereo is having two different audio signals coming from your turntable and cart, a left and a right. They are each different, you can have a voice on one side only and a guitar on the other side. Mono is the same audio pressed into both sides of the groove (I think) so both speakers play the same thing.

This is the worst explanation ever someone help
 
Very roughly, Stereo is having two different audio signals coming from your turntable and cart, a left and a right. They are each different, you can have a voice on one side only and a guitar on the other side. Mono is the same audio pressed into both sides of the groove (I think) so both speakers play the same thing.

This is the worst explanation ever someone help
That is the best juxtaposition I've read yet.
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Now, help me understand what a mono amp button and cart do for these particular record cuts?
They do the same thing basically. A mono cart (I think) only reads one of the groove walls and sums it across both left and right channel (I think) a mono amp button does the same thing so you would use that if you have a stereo cart and are playing a mono cut album. A mono cart is still preferable and has better sound than a mono switched stereo cart due to cross talk from the stereo cart etc etc... (I think)

I have no idea if that's actually correct but I think it's kinda sorta correct JESUS CHRIST HELP ME OUT HERE GUYS I'M FUCKING DROWNING
 
They do the same thing basically. A mono cart (I think) only reads one of the groove walls and sums it across both left and right channel (I think) a mono amp button does the same thing so you would use that if you have a stereo cart and are playing a mono cut album. A mono cart is still preferable and has better sound than a mono switched stereo cart due to cross talk etc... (I think)
Thanks (I think)
 
They do the same thing basically. A mono cart (I think) only reads one of the groove walls and sums it across both left and right channel (I think) a mono amp button does the same thing so you would use that if you have a stereo cart and are playing a mono cut album. A mono cart is still preferable and has better sound than a mono switched stereo cart due to cross talk from the stereo cart etc etc... (I think)

I have no idea if that's actually correct but I think it's kinda sorta correct JESUS CHRIST HELP ME OUT HERE GUYS I'M FUCKING DROWNING
For stereo one channel is up and down and one channel is left to right (direction of stylus movement). (Edit: maybe that is an oversimplification maybe it is +/-45, which would make your one is each side make sense, but still perpendicular) For mono, only one is used and the other isn't. One of the most obvious advantages of using a mono button or cart is that any noise on the unused channel of the mono record is eliminated. Otherwise it will work fine on a stereo cart without mono button.

Some people claim other benefits to the mono cart/button, but I personally can't speak to those as I don't have much experience with either or a high end system. Personally I enjoy my mono records on my stereo cart & amp without any obvious downside, but would like to hear if there is an improvement someday.
 
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Now, help me understand what a mono amp button and cart do for these particular record cuts?
There was a period in time (late 50s through late 60s) where stereo recording was fairly new and artists recorded dedicated mono mixes and dedicated stereo mixes. In some cases they are completely different mixes, and even sometimes different takes. Certain artists preferred the mono mixes they did (I think Dylan prefers the mono mixes of a lot of his own early albums).

Mono albums have no panning between left and right speakers. You'll hear the same exact thing coming out of your left and right speaker--it is one signal and one laterally cut groove. Stereo (especially early stereo) often used hard panning to have some instruments come out of only the left or right speakers. So you have 2 signals (L and R) and a groove that has vertical and lateral grooves cut at a 45 degree angle. Bands like Pink Floyd and the Beatles used stereo early on to give the psychedelic feel of the sound moving left and right in stereo cuts. The mono cuts don't have that and can be punchier and more focused.

True dedicated mono mixes are meant to be listened to with a mono cartridge. A stereo cartridge playing a mono record will never really give you the same exact signal in left and right. You can end up with phase errors, cross talk, and slight tracking errors that degrade sound.

As I was writing this out I see @dhodo wrote a much more succinct response haha.
 
There was a period in time (late 50s through late 60s) where stereo recording was fairly new and artists recorded dedicated mono mixes and dedicated stereo mixes. In some cases they are completely different mixes, and even sometimes different takes. Certain artists preferred the mono mixes they did (I think Dylan prefers the mono mixes of a lot of his own early albums).

Mono albums have no panning between left and right speakers. You'll hear the same exact thing coming out of your left and right speaker--it is one signal and one laterally cut groove. Stereo (especially early stereo) often used hard panning to have some instruments come out of only the left or right speakers. So you have 2 signals (L and R) and a groove that has vertical and lateral grooves cut at a 45 degree angle. Bands like Pink Floyd and the Beatles used stereo early on to give the psychedelic feel of the sound moving left and right in stereo cuts. The mono cuts don't have that and can be punchier and more focused.

True dedicated mono mixes are meant to be listened to with a mono cartridge. A stereo cartridge playing a mono record will never really give you the same exact signal in left and right. You can end up with phase errors, cross talk, and slight tracking errors that degrade sound.

As I was writing this out I see @dhodo wrote a much more succinct response haha.

I think what you find with artist is that kinda pre 67/68 stereo was niche. People had mono set ups at home and that’s how the majority of records would be played. They were often the mixes that the artists or their producers would be directly involved in. Stereo was then often pushed onto an engineer and as a new technology it was often either done pretty rudimentary, instruments and voices in different channels, or wackily. By the late 60s it had matured more as an option and the “choice” cut began to be more on stereo.

I’d love to be able to run a true mono cart alongside my stereo because I love some of my mono albums, one day…. one day
 
There was a period in time (late 50s through late 60s) where stereo recording was fairly new and artists recorded dedicated mono mixes and dedicated stereo mixes. In some cases they are completely different mixes, and even sometimes different takes. Certain artists preferred the mono mixes they did (I think Dylan prefers the mono mixes of a lot of his own early albums).

Mono albums have no panning between left and right speakers. You'll hear the same exact thing coming out of your left and right speaker--it is one signal and one laterally cut groove. Stereo (especially early stereo) often used hard panning to have some instruments come out of only the left or right speakers. So you have 2 signals (L and R) and a groove that has vertical and lateral grooves cut at a 45 degree angle. Bands like Pink Floyd and the Beatles used stereo early on to give the psychedelic feel of the sound moving left and right in stereo cuts. The mono cuts don't have that and can be punchier and more focused.

True dedicated mono mixes are meant to be listened to with a mono cartridge. A stereo cartridge playing a mono record will never really give you the same exact signal in left and right. You can end up with phase errors, cross talk, and slight tracking errors that degrade sound.

As I was writing this out I see @dhodo wrote a much more succinct response haha.
Thanks for bringing up the different mixes. For me that is the most important distinction as I know I can tell those differences whereas I suspect it may take a more discerning audiophile (or at least a nicer system) to notice the more subtle differences the mono cart could make.
 
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I remember as a child the mono button was AKA the boring button. Of course we had cheap equipment. It was never a choice option for listening mode. Probably because everything was stereo by the late 70s, early 80s.

Maybe one day I can hear this true mono audio setup. Sounds like right era of equipment and media mix is key.
 
I remember as a child the mono button was AKA the boring button. Of course we had cheap equipment. It was never a choice option for listening mode. Probably because everything was stereo by the late 70s, early 80s.

Maybe one day I can hear this true mono audio setup. Sounds like right era of equipment and media mix is key.
In the "best pressing" world a lot of people prefer mono to stereo mixes/pressings of certain titles even without any mono specific equipment. Like Beatles, Aretha, some jazz where hard panning of instruments is disliked, for example. To each their own of course.
 
In the "best pressing" world a lot of people prefer mono to stereo mixes/pressings of certain titles even without any mono specific equipment. Like Beatles, Aretha, some jazz where hard panning of instruments is disliked, for example. To each their own of course.
Yeah I've got a pretty punchy system and I can safely say I don't have any mono pressings that even come close to my good stereos. But I put that down to no mono cart and no mono switch.
 
In the "best pressing" world a lot of people prefer mono to stereo mixes/pressings of certain titles even without any mono specific equipment. Like Beatles, Aretha, some jazz where hard panning of instruments is disliked, for example. To each their own of course.

Yeah and it can be particularly rough in certain situations. Sat down in front my stereo is, to be honest, not the worst. But I struggle to listen to the Beatles on headphones (either disjointed or with Pepper’s it can feel like your head is in a washing machine) or in the car where I get the vocals blasting at me and the instruments off somewhere vaguely to the left (obviously reversed for you in LHD world).
 
Yeah I've got a pretty punchy system and I can safely say I don't have any mono pressings that even come close to my good stereos. But I put that down to no mono cart and no mono switch.

From everything I’ve read a true mono cart that doesn’t have any vertical measurement at all is the single biggest change for mono records. That’s why removable headshells are moving up my next table wantlist!
 
Yeah I've got a pretty punchy system and I can safely say I don't have any mono pressings that even come close to my good stereos. But I put that down to no mono cart and no mono switch.
For sure and maybe why the "certain titles" is key there and I would say it probably depends on what you prioritize. Don't think you could ever compete with a good stereo soundstage for instance no matter how good the mono mix is for obvious reasons. I'm not remotely an authority on any of that though just thinking out loud.
 
For sure and maybe why the "certain titles" is key there and I would say it probably depends on what you prioritize. Don't think you could ever compete with a good stereo soundstage for instance no matter how good the mono mix is for obvious reasons. I'm not remotely an authority on any of that though just thinking out loud.
Well it's just the punchy factor that I'm curious about. Like I have the Kinks KPG mono box, and it's great, but the Kinks Lola vs Powerman pressing kills it. Same band, similar era, but the stereo smokes the monos. But again, I think it wouldn't be the case necessarily if I had a mono cart.
 
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