Definitive Audiophile pressings

Oh, Iā€™m sure there are more than a few actual lawyers in those groups who are very upset!

EDIT: Zero offense meant for any N&G lawyers! šŸ˜‚
I'm a lawyer, and class actions kind of suck. In our system, absent criminal behavior, class actions are the only realistic way to hold large companies accountable for a whole lot of relatively small misdeeds. But, the class of consumers rarely benefits in any meaningful way from the action. Instead, the lawyers are the ones who profit the most.
 
I'm a lawyer, and class actions kind of suck. In our system, absent criminal behavior, class actions are the only realistic way to hold large companies accountable for a whole lot of relatively small misdeeds. But, the class of consumers rarely benefits in any meaningful way from the action. Instead, the lawyers are the ones who profit the most.

Yeah we donā€™t really have class actions here as such, which Iā€™m glad of in a way, they are circuses in which only the lawyers profit.

Instead we have tribunals into historical government corruption to enrich our average lawyersā€¦
 
I think @HiFi Guy mentioned this, the pricing is where it gets stuck in my throat, the pricing was already a point of contention personally (One Steps), now, well, it kind of forced my hand and its become even easier to sit here and say "I can do without the fancy packaging" and lower the price $50-75.
Yeah, the pricing is my real problem with MoFi too. Lately they've pretty much abandoned "reasonable" $40 single LPs in favor of nothing but $100+ items. Case in point is their Van Halen offerings. I'm never going to buy a VH onestep. But, if they made standard $40 single LPs of the VH albums, I would buy some of those. Heck, I'd probably buy a fancy box set of all six for $200!
 
Yeah we donā€™t really have class actions here as such, which Iā€™m glad of in a way, they are circuses in which only the lawyers profit.

Instead we have tribunals into historical government corruption to enrich our average lawyersā€¦
No one is going to take a class action over MOFI records having a digital step. Threats like that online are people who haven't got a clue how it works.
 
Nailed it

My problem with this is the last portion. I get not wanting to buy from Mo-Fi because buyers feel aggrieved, like they were played a fool but the portion that doesnā€™t equate for me is the importance of the sourcing in the rationale for purchasing Mo-Fi releases. Dude essentially said until there is more info on sourcing he wonā€™t be spending in more dough on Mo-Fi. He pointed out earlier that a lot of the MoFiā€™s he has likely have a digital step and they all sound really good. So strictly from a buying standpoint what more do you need to know?

I feel like shady shit like this runs rampant in the modern vinyl world, I would appreciate more transparency but at the same time knowing that something is AAA doesnā€™t improve my listening experience. Buying records is a crazy hobby, there are so many variables to consider when trying to purchase a record. If sound is important then AAA has always been something to look for as there was more of a likelyhood that a record would sound good if there was no digital mastering. My point is MoFi is a proven commodity at this point many of their modern releases are some of the best sounding presses available. I know itā€™s fucked up the way they went about it but I feel like them being coy about their process allowed them to explore DSD. The AAA Audiophile folks would not have waxed poetic about Santana or Bob Dylan or many of the One-Step releases had they known there was a digital step. They can say it would not matter (and in truth it turns out it really didnā€™t) but every review and every comment about any of these albums would always contain a ā€œbutā€ as in these records sound great ā€œā€¦but they are digitalā€. Being unclear and allowing buyers to assume things about releases is gonna ultimately hurt MoFiā€™s business but I think being upfront about their process would have hurt their business even more. For many itā€™s impossible to be an audiophile and appreciate digitally sourced records. It just is, itā€™s going to be interesting to see how peoples opinions change with how well they regard specific Mo-Fi releases that were once considered to be the definitive version. Youā€™d hope that the orthodoxy around what it means to be an audiophile would become more open and welcoming to digital as a result but I think whatā€™s more likely the opposite will happen, that any MoFi released post 2008 will now contain a scarlet ā€œDā€.
 
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They say any publicity is good publicity.

I think Mofi might be able to capitalize with selling DSD 256 files in the near future.
Craft is already selling digital albums. This could be the new thing.
It seems like there are a line of people already standing to buy this media format.
I donā€™t even listen to FLAC files because I find them inconvenient. I canā€™t even imagine what effort it would take to be able to fully appreciate those master digitals on my home system. I donā€™t think my iPhone and Sony M-4 headphones are gonna cut it in that space.
 
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My problem with this is the last portion. I get not wanting to buy from Mo-Fi because buyers feel aggrieved, like they were played a fool but the portion that doesnā€™t equate for me is the importance of the sourcing in the rationale for purchasing Mo-Fi releases. Dude essentially said until there is more info on sourcing he wonā€™t be spending in more dough on Mo-Fi. He pointed out earlier that a lot of the MoFiā€™s he has likely have a digital step and they all sound really good. So strictly from a buying standpoint what more do you need to know?

I feel like shady shit like this runs rampant in the modern vinyl world, I would appreciate more transparency but at the same time knowing that something is AAA doesnā€™t improve my listening experience. Buying records is a crazy hobby, there are so many variables to consider when trying to purchase a record. If sound is important then AAA has always been something to look for as there was more of a likelyhood that a record would sound good if there was no digital mastering. My point is MoFi is a proven commodity at this point many of their modern releases are some of the best sounding presses available. I know itā€™s fucked up the way they went about it but I feel like them being coy about their process allowed them to explore DSD. The AAA Audiophile folks would not have waxed poetic about Santana or Bob Dylan or many of the One-Step releases had they known there was a digital step. They can say it would not matter (and in truth it turns out it really didnā€™t) but every review and every comment about any of these albums would always contain a ā€œbutā€ as in these records sound great ā€œā€¦but they are digitalā€. Being unclear and allowing buyers to assume things about releases is gonna ultimately hurt MoFiā€™s business but I think being upfront about their process would have hurt their business even more. For many itā€™s impossible to be an audiophile and appreciate digitally sourced records. It just is, itā€™s going to be interesting to see how peoples opinions change with how well they regard specific Mo-Fi releases that were once considered to be the definitive version. Youā€™d hope that the orthodoxy around what it means to be an audiophile would become more open and welcoming to digital as a result but I think whatā€™s more likely the opposite will happen, that any MoFi released post 2008 will now contain a scarlet ā€œDā€.
I get it, but he does adamantly say this is HIS reflection on all this. Let me put it this way, I didn't pre order any of the Van Halen One Steps, I've been on the fence, I've got great sounding OGs and reissues. Now I'm not so curious at the One Step price point. They may very well be the definitive, but, FOR ME, the One Steps have lost their luster for the same reason. Again, to each his own, this whole thing isn't really about the sound, its about truth.
 
I donā€™t even listen to FLAC files because I find them inconvenient. I canā€™t even imagine what effort it would take to be able to fully appreciate those master digitals on my home system. I donā€™t think my iPhone and Sony M-4 headphones are gonna cut it in that space.
Yeah there is some hardware involved.
It's not for me. I want them black circles.

But there's money to be made.
Maybe release the $2500 Mofi stream box with Fender paint.
 
I'm a lawyer and not upset about it.
Iā€™m a lawyer and, legally speaking, I donā€™t feel like Iā€™ve suffered any damages from the revelation, and that would be the measure of what Iā€™d expect to be compensated for.

On a personal level, though, I am moderately pissed. I donā€™t accept the premise that all businesses behave this way or that this is something to brush off merely bc ā€œitā€™s business.ā€ Thatā€™s not how I did business as outside counsel at my own firm, nor is it how my current employer does business where Iā€™m in-house counsel.
 
They could even add an led screen that scrolls "Original Master Recording" banners across the top.
LOL.

I doubt MOFI have licenses to offer digital downloads. And at any rate, hires downloads bring a whole new world of pain. They are widely avialable online for free, and anything coming from MOFI would immediately appear on torrent sites.

And DSD256 files are BIG. Like - really big. Lotus DSD256 was over 10GB. Downloading those is not going to be a widespread commercial venture.

Besides, I don't think they master to DSD256, just do the master tape transfer.
 
Iā€™m a lawyer and, legally speaking, I donā€™t feel like Iā€™ve suffered any damages from the revelation, and that would be the measure of what Iā€™d expect to be compensated for.

On a personal level, though, I am moderately pissed. I donā€™t accept the premise that all businesses behave this way or that this is something to brush off merely bc ā€œitā€™s business.ā€ Thatā€™s not how I did business as outside counsel at my own firm, nor is it how my current employer does business where Iā€™m in-house counsel.
Exactly. The measure of any class action would be the quantum of damages suffered. It would be hard to make a viable case on that here, of enough significance to warrant the action.
 
LOL.

I doubt MOFI have licenses to offer digital downloads. And at any rate, hires downloads bring a whole new world of pain. They are widely avialable online for free, and anything coming from MOFI would immediately appear on torrent sites.

And DSD256 files are BIG. Like - really big. Lotus DSD256 was over 10GB. Downloading those is not going to be a widespread commercial venture.

Besides, I don't think they master to DSD256, just do the master tape transfer.
Well, I'm just saying everyone is out in Salem piling would and chanting we want the DSD files.
 
Iā€™m a lawyer and, legally speaking, I donā€™t feel like Iā€™ve suffered any damages from the revelation, and that would be the measure of what Iā€™d expect to be compensated for.

On a personal level, though, I am moderately pissed. I donā€™t accept the premise that all businesses behave this way or that this is something to brush off merely bc ā€œitā€™s business.ā€ Thatā€™s not how I did business as outside counsel at my own firm, nor is it how my current employer does business where Iā€™m in-house counsel.

This is the crux, there is no damage and to be honest itā€™s more deception than an outright lie. They were deliberately cute with their wording so that it could be ambiguous. Itā€™s why, as with all these kinds of controversies, it makes me chuckle at the faint ridiculousness of people looking for blood and lawsuits.

It is however a shitty choice and they deserve a bit of hassle and being called out about it. I suppose half the reason Iā€™m not quite so arsed is that itā€™s not like itā€™s pile of tripe, the ones I have really do sound great.
 
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