It Could Get A Bit Messi In Here - The Football Thread.
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Joe Mac
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Ah nasty always infers an intent to me and I’d have found it very hard to say he meant to do that.
bettim84
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I actually don’t think it was even a foul. It looked awful on the replay (even I was persuaded for a while) but if you watch it in real time you can see that it was not even a tackle (it was just the follow up to a kick). Poor decision made even worse by VAR.
On a related note, I want everyone to please pour one out for my fantasy team. Seven out of 15 were eliminated plus De Bruyne is out injured. The random Swedish defender I picked up from the discount bin was… Danielson. Even making my highest-scoring player the captain (Mbappe), I still only mustered a depressing 23 points. Savagery.
Joe Mac
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I’ve not looked at my team since the end of match day one came I dread to think what’s happened….
Joe Mac
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Footballs a game of opinions and everyone has one but the one universal truth is that referees always fucking stick together, especially when their colleague is wrong
What I will say is that as the rule is currently interpreted I can see that the referee had no choice. Especially in that it can be differentiated from the the insane Balbuena decision a few months back in that he actually was a bit out of control rather than an accidental contact on a follow through where the other player has put himself in danger.
What I don’t like is that although he is caught high there was little force and the contact was not heavy. I don’t think you can say there’s a risk of serious injury without force. It’s a real 50/50 one for me and it’s not cut and dried.
As a rule and as part of a wider debate I feel that football did great things removing the challenges that deliberately ended careers by a series of rule changes in the 90s but that over the last decade it’s increasingly becoming in danger of become a non contact sport and without contact and physicality it’s a far inferior sport IMO. That and booking players for celebrating goals. I mean what the fuck is that all about?
Joe Mac
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And this is the big problem with referees. They swallow the rule books and directives but there’s very little understanding of the reality of actually playing football. Footballers themselves instantly know what is nasty and/or reckless and can cause an injury and what is clumsy and looks worse that it actually is. I’ll nearly always find myself siding with the ex player rather than the ex referee when they have them both in studio. In fact I’d rather the tv companies stopped the gimmick of hiring ex referees because they talk in technical riddles using a crude quasi-legalise that bears little relation to 22 men kicking a ball about a piece of grass trying to put it in a net!
bettim84
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Right, football is a contact sport through and through. Admittedly I feel more strongly about that now that I’m 37 and can body people around some versus when I was a skinny teenager.
Yeah, I still disagree with you, your referee friends, and apparently everyone you know. I feel awful for the Ukrainian player whose knee will need reconstruction but IMO that’s an unfortunate accident that is part of the game.
Joe Mac
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It's also a game of people talking out there arseYou are the only two that I have seen that think that was not a straight red. But maybe you like taking the piss.
Referee's have an impossible job really. Even Collina, the best ref I ever seen made a mistake or two.
Oh so the highly respected ex international footballer quoted didn’t happen?
It is but it’s also a common sense job. I expect a highly paid professional to use their brain. Rules are to be interpreted, not hidden behind. I have little tolerance for the quality of professional refereeing being so poor right now, i think there’s an increasing disconnect at the professional level between the reality of the game the players know they are playing and how referees are interpreting it and it’s in massive danger of ruining football. What I will say is that I have all the sympathy in the world for the lad refereeing on the park for free and getting dogs abuse.
On the incident I accept that as the rules are currently being interpreted he’s always going to be sent off. I don’t agree with that interpretation. I don’t see that as talking out of my arse and I don’t appreciate the insinuation.
Englishbob
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I like how Shaka Hislop phrased it.
Essentially the game has changed and you have to be able to control your follow through. If you can't then you shouldn't make the attempt.
Like it or not, sports and rules evolve and have been evolving since invention. Players who dont evolve will get left behind just like in any other occupation.
Essentially the game has changed and you have to be able to control your follow through. If you can't then you shouldn't make the attempt.
Like it or not, sports and rules evolve and have been evolving since invention. Players who dont evolve will get left behind just like in any other occupation.
bettim84
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That’s where we disagree: that was NOT. A. TACKLE.
bettim84
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This is a good explanation and I appreciate it (Edit: I still don’t agree with it).
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Joe Mac
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Joe aren't you one of guys that led to the last message board being taken down ? Thats what I was told anyways. Or are they wrong too ? Now I start to see why. Mixing drink and football is never a good combination,
Lineker well respected ?
I’ve been drinking?
There isn’t a single thing that you’ve said in that post that has any relationship with the truth at all.
Joe Mac
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Joe aren't you one of guys that led to the last message board being taken down ? Thats what I was told anyways. Or are they wrong too ? Now I start to see why. Mixing drink and football is never a good combination,
Lineker well respected ?
Come on then? Substantiate your lies.
Let’s leave the baseless defamatory lies about me to one side. That said it is really quite hilarious how anyone could think that I have even the merest scintilla of ability or influence so as to be able to cause a record club with 30,000 subscribers to shut down their forum.
From what was Lineker fired? He still fronts the BBCs male football output as the lead anchor and is the main Match of the Day host. He recently turned down a contact extension anchoring BT’s champions league coverage so that he could spend next season travelling to all of Leicester’s away European ties with his two lads. Both himself and BT put out statements to that effect.
GingerLaw92
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Feel free to add me to the list of people who didn't think that was a red card. Of course I feel bad for the injured Ukrainian but like others have said, injuries are a part of sports.
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Joe Mac
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Haha! That’s ok. 90% of my encounterance with him was with Arsenal where I felt he struggled badly when put up against genuine pace. That said if we all agreed on players life would be boring. We all look for slightly different things in the teams and players we like!
GingerLaw92
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Honestly, I didn't really keep up with the premier league all that much when he played for Arsenal so 95% of my exposure to him was via international matches. I was more into the Bundesliga at that time. Now I follow both leagues pretty much equally.
If we couldn't respectfully argue about sports, sports wouldn't be as much fun to watch.
Joe Mac
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I never got into the Bundeliga, I think it being so heavily dominated by Bayern always put me off. Growing up in England of course the Premier League was where I was at! I did watch a lot of Italian football in the 90s both because it was brilliant then and randomly channel 4 in the U.K. had the rights and so there was a highlights package on a Saturday morning and a match every Sunday free to air on terrestrial tele!