Jazz

i think mixed with the ornette coleman album being one of the few jazz ROTMs in classics i actually want (its that, and dreams by gabor szabo), and jazz inflused hip hop being one of the best things for my (LEGALLY DONE) ketamine trips (THAT ARE DONE FOR REMEDYING DEPRESSION) i might finally try dropping into jazz one more time

what are some recommendations for me as a newcomer, i liked the ornette coleman album, i mostly like loud and fast and aggressive stuff (partially due to ADHD making it hard to focus on all the complex playing), and i had tried with a few miles davis albums and sun ra before that i kinda liked it but it still didn't click with me completely if just because my mind just flies past them (i am trying to treat it in the future so i can focus better and get into it)

my one request is none of the really obvious recommendations for a "jazz intro for someone into hardcore" (John Zorn, Tribute to Jack Johnson, Machine Gun), because i already have heard those albums and really liked them, but i want to honestly dip my toes into jazz and that includes the less noisy, more complicated or meditative, or even cool jazz stuff so i can understand more of the genres appeal other than "hey kind of blue is an album"
 
duke86fan said:
i think mixed with the ornette coleman album being one of the few jazz ROTMs in classics i actually want (its that, and dreams by gabor szabo), and jazz inflused hip hop being one of the best things for my (LEGALLY DONE) ketamine trips (THAT ARE DONE FOR REMEDYING DEPRESSION) i might finally try dropping into jazz one more time

what are some recommendations for me as a newcomer, i liked the ornette coleman album, i mostly like loud and fast and aggressive stuff (partially due to ADHD making it hard to focus on all the complex playing), and i had tried with a few miles davis albums and sun ra before that i kinda liked it but it still didn't click with me completely if just because my mind just flies past them (i am trying to treat it in the future so i can focus better and get into it)

my one request is none of the really obvious recommendations for a "jazz intro for someone into hardcore" (John Zorn, Tribute to Jack Johnson, Machine Gun), because i already have heard those albums and really liked them, but i want to honestly dip my toes into jazz and that includes the less noisy, more complicated or meditative, or even cool jazz stuff so i can understand more of the genres appeal other than "hey kind of blue is an album"
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Made this playlist this time last year for a friend who wanted to break into jazz. I made it with the intention of being as palatable an entry point as possible for the uninitiated but with enough "challenge" so as to whet the newbies appetite for "harder" or more "challenging" tunes.

You can likely just hit shuffle and be whisked away. Let me know if any songs stand out. Theres a lot of stone cold classics on there of course but also a lot of gems that took me many years of exploring the genre to discover

 
duke86fan said:
i think mixed with the ornette coleman album being one of the few jazz ROTMs in classics i actually want (its that, and dreams by gabor szabo), and jazz inflused hip hop being one of the best things for my (LEGALLY DONE) ketamine trips (THAT ARE DONE FOR REMEDYING DEPRESSION) i might finally try dropping into jazz one more time

what are some recommendations for me as a newcomer, i liked the ornette coleman album, i mostly like loud and fast and aggressive stuff (partially due to ADHD making it hard to focus on all the complex playing), and i had tried with a few miles davis albums and sun ra before that i kinda liked it but it still didn't click with me completely if just because my mind just flies past them (i am trying to treat it in the future so i can focus better and get into it)

my one request is none of the really obvious recommendations for a "jazz intro for someone into hardcore" (John Zorn, Tribute to Jack Johnson, Machine Gun), because i already have heard those albums and really liked them, but i want to honestly dip my toes into jazz and that includes the less noisy, more complicated or meditative, or even cool jazz stuff so i can understand more of the genres appeal other than "hey kind of blue is an album"
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Shades of Blue by Madlib was my original entry into jazz. You’ve probably heard it but hits the jazz infused hip hop genre for ya. Then I listened to the full albums that were sampled on it and went from there. With jazz it can be kinda fun to follow the breadcrumbs….look at the album credits and if you find yourself enjoying the drums on a jazz record, for example, look up other albums that drummer played on.

Joe Henderson feat Alice Coltrane - The Elements is a great album and has a little bit of everything on it. Red Clay by Freddie Hubbard is very cool and has a killer lineup (Herbie, Ron Carter, Joe Henderson, Lenny White). Been spinning Places and Spaces by Donald Byrd a lot lately for something funkier.

The spiritual jazz comps by Jazzman Records are also really great. The Impulse one is really solid but not sure it’s on streaming:
spiritualjazz.bandcamp.com

Spiritual Jazz 12: Impulse!, by Various Artists

17 track album
spiritualjazz.bandcamp.com spiritualjazz.bandcamp.com

Can always look up the tracks on that—they are probably all available individually on streaming. Or maybe someone has already made a playlist of the tracks …
 
duke86fan said:
i think mixed with the ornette coleman album being one of the few jazz ROTMs in classics i actually want (its that, and dreams by gabor szabo), and jazz inflused hip hop being one of the best things for my (LEGALLY DONE) ketamine trips (THAT ARE DONE FOR REMEDYING DEPRESSION) i might finally try dropping into jazz one more time

what are some recommendations for me as a newcomer, i liked the ornette coleman album, i mostly like loud and fast and aggressive stuff (partially due to ADHD making it hard to focus on all the complex playing), and i had tried with a few miles davis albums and sun ra before that i kinda liked it but it still didn't click with me completely if just because my mind just flies past them (i am trying to treat it in the future so i can focus better and get into it)

my one request is none of the really obvious recommendations for a "jazz intro for someone into hardcore" (John Zorn, Tribute to Jack Johnson, Machine Gun), because i already have heard those albums and really liked them, but i want to honestly dip my toes into jazz and that includes the less noisy, more complicated or meditative, or even cool jazz stuff so i can understand more of the genres appeal other than "hey kind of blue is an album"
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shabaka, particularly "we were sent here by history". I don't know that I'd call it aggro or in your face, but they are 100% Not Fucking Around. Probably his Comet is Coming project is more your speed.
 
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Cross-post from the Fresh Grabs thread.


The Bill Evans AP Riverside boxset came in today. I just cleaned all 22 records, yeesh. The records were basically spotless, but I always wet-wash new vinyl regardless.

Here's my initial impressions...

All 11 albums are in a single-pocket, glossy jacket. 2 records per jacket, no gatefolds. Just like how AP presses their Blue Note titles. The images on the album jackets are crystal clear, especially Portraits in Jazz. Best I have ever seen that photo of Bill Evans. Acoustic Sounds packed these sets really well for shipping. I did not receive any jacket damage, no seam splits, nothing. Perfect.

It appears that RTI took great care in pressing this boxset. All the records appear to be flat (obviously will know more once I play them all). No visual pressing defects, other than a few sporadic hairlines under bright light, but these will be inaudible. The records look like black, etched glass. Each record comes in a generic rice paper inner sleeve. No QRP text on the inner. They didn't use the typical RTI poly sleeves, which is my preference.

I have only listened to Live at Shelle and Know What I Mean? with Cannonball. Both sound incredible. Absolutely no surface noise. What I noticed the most with Live at Shelle was how crystal clear the cymbals were and how deep the bass is. Also, all the bar sounds in the background were really vivid (not in a distracting way). Definitely, without sounding like some cliché audiophile, a veil was removed from the recording on this pressing. On the Cannonball album, well, Cannonball just sounds silky smooth. Both records sound really balanced. Prominent bass and drums, plenty of hit-hat, Bill perfectly centered.

Anyways, I'll really pleased thus far with the boxset. Hoping all the albums play and sound this well (please no off-center records!). I preordered this album back in 2020 at the old price, so it was $610 shipped. Works out to about $55 per record. Seems reasonable for your typical audiophile record these days (well cheaper than current MoFis and APs). Regardless, worth the splurge because these will be the Bill records I listen to for the rest of my life, and he is probably my favorite jazz musician. And hell, where else am I going to find AAA pressings of Village Vanguard or Waltz for Debbie for $55 each?
 
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zdkaiser said:
Cross-post from the Fresh Grabs thread.


The Bill Evans AP Riverside boxset came in today. I just cleaned all 24 records, yeesh. The records were basically spotless, but I always wet-wash new vinyl regardless.

Here's my initial impressions...

All 12 albums are in a single-pocket, glossy jacket. 2 records per jacket, no gatefolds. Just like how AP presses their Blue Note titles. The images on the album jackets are crystal clear, especially Portraits in Jazz. Best I have ever seen that photo of Bill Evans. Acoustic Sounds packed these sets really well for shipping. I did not receive any jacket damage, no seam splits, nothing. Perfect.

It appears that RTI took great care in pressing this boxset. All the records appear to be flat (obviously will know more once I play them all). No visual pressing defects, other than a few sporadic hairlines under bright light, but these will be inaudible. The records look like black, etched glass. Each record comes in a generic rice paper inner sleeve. No QRP text on the inner. They didn't use the typical RTI poly sleeves, which is my preference.

I have only listened to Live at Shelle and Know What I Mean? with Cannonball. Both sound incredible. Absolutely no surface noise. What I noticed the most with Live at Shelle was how crystal clear the cymbals were and how deep the bass is. Also, all the bar sounds in the background were really vivid (not in a distracting way). Definitely, without sounding like some cliché audiophile, a veil was removed from the recording on this pressing. On the Cannonball album, well, Cannonball just sounds silky smooth. Both records sound really balanced. Prominent bass and drums, plenty of hit-hat, Bill perfectly centered.

Anyways, I'll really pleased thus far with the boxset. Hoping all the albums play and sound this well (please no off-center records!). I preordered this album back in 2020 at the old price, so it was $610 shipped. Works out to about $51 per record. Seems reasonable for your typical audiophile record these days (well cheaper than current MoFis and APs). Regardless, worth the splurge because these will be the Bill records I listen to for the rest of my life, and he is probably my favorite jazz musician. And hell, where else am I going to find AAA pressings of Village Vanguard or Waltz for Debbie for $50 each?
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very jealous. there were many times i wavered on hitting that backorder button at the old price. now i regret not doing it. I have How My Heart Sings and it really does sound wonderful. Slowly trying to buy some of the others if I can ever find them at a decent price...
 
MikeH said:
very jealous. there were many times i wavered on hitting that backorder button at the old price. now i regret not doing it. I have How My Heart Sings and it really does sound wonderful. Slowly trying to buy some of the others if I can ever find them at a decent price...
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I did the same thing. Wavered over it for months back in 2020. Honestly, didn't think they were ever going to repress it. Figured it was a long-term investment, something I would listen to for years to come and never truly tire of. And if I ever did, I could sell it off for what I paid.
 
Listening to That's What Happened 1982-1985: The Bootleg Series, Vol. 7, what's up with all the straight forward pop song covers. Like what possessed him to record a rather uninspired 9 minute version of Time After Time. The What's Love Got to Do With It is better, but still was he after Muzak money or something?
 
Later Coltrane might be worth a try, even stuff from The Village Vanguard like India which has a drone going on. Concert in Japan has got 20 plus minute performances if that’s the kind of thing you mean,? But later albums like Meditations, Transition and Sun Ship might be worth a listen if you want intensity. Albert Ayler too.
duke86fan said:
i think mixed with the ornette coleman album being one of the few jazz ROTMs in classics i actually want (its that, and dreams by gabor szabo), and jazz inflused hip hop being one of the best things for my (LEGALLY DONE) ketamine trips (THAT ARE DONE FOR REMEDYING DEPRESSION) i might finally try dropping into jazz one more time

what are some recommendations for me as a newcomer, i liked the ornette coleman album, i mostly like loud and fast and aggressive stuff (partially due to ADHD making it hard to focus on all the complex playing), and i had tried with a few miles davis albums and sun ra before that i kinda liked it but it still didn't click with me completely if just because my mind just flies past them (i am trying to treat it in the future so i can focus better and get into it)

my one request is none of the really obvious recommendations for a "jazz intro for someone into hardcore" (John Zorn, Tribute to Jack Johnson, Machine Gun), because i already have heard those albums and really liked them, but i want to honestly dip my toes into jazz and that includes the less noisy, more complicated or meditative, or even cool jazz stuff so i can understand more of the genres appeal other than "hey kind of blue is an album"
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Picked up a few new additions in really good shape for under $10.


1978 Evans New Conversations
Recorded at Columbia 30th St.
Cogs credits Stu Romaine for mastering but not sure if that's correct.
I have high hopes for how this one sounds.

Cigs!

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I have added some Rollins Prestige label work recently so thought this would be a great entry to explore his original 3 Impulse albums.


RVG/Thiele recordings- 2LP comp
Remastering by Bigsby and King, which are unknown names to me. Bigsby was with Kendun studio it seems.

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The Evans is a mind fuck with electric piano.
Side 2 is better. Remembering The Rain really makes this a worthwhile listen.

Rollins Comp is damn good sounding.
Blessing In Disguise... what a tune!
 
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