MikeH
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when i lived in my last apartment, somebody who lived in my neighborhood drove around in a convertible and blasted that song for months when it came out hahah
Kanye
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jaycee
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This is annoying and frustrating (just as Kanye is an annoying and frustrating human) but if Joe Bidena and the democratic party don't have a better argument than Kanye for the people that are going to consider voting for Kanye then Biden deserves to lose. It's pretty ignorant to suggest, as many people will, that black voters lack the sophistication to see through Kanye and that if they do vote for him it's only out of ignorance. Kanye does get that right in the article... it's about the only thing he gets right... and reading some of the things that he states and relays as coming out of the white house are horrifying (not surprising).
I don't care if Kanye is a genius or not, the guy is dangerous. He has enough money and the platform to be dangerous and he will take some people down with him when he falls. The hanger-ons, the Kardashians, the Wyoming minister will all walk away unscathed and Kanye sadly will not. I still hope the guy can get better but it's becoming increasingly unlikely by the moment.
I don't care if Kanye is a genius or not, the guy is dangerous. He has enough money and the platform to be dangerous and he will take some people down with him when he falls. The hanger-ons, the Kardashians, the Wyoming minister will all walk away unscathed and Kanye sadly will not. I still hope the guy can get better but it's becoming increasingly unlikely by the moment.
Memo
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I thought he couldn’t legit run due to some paper work stuff...
Benhawaii
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im requesting we flag this entire thread until kanye is no longer running for president. has anyone seen the totally uninformed vitriol out of his mouth as to why hes running and what he plans to do? basically just saying that everything is going to be gods plan. please, someone get ye some mental health and good meds without the crazy side effects. mental health problems are real and nothing to be made fun of but this shit is too much; especially now.
jaycee
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I don't know the details about being put on the ballot in individual states. I think regardless, if he does actively campaign, there will be a significant write-in push, which may be more effective than usual given that more and more people will be voting by mail. Also, an active Kanye West campaign could be just as effective at convincing some people to not vote who may have voted otherwise. Of course, that just speaks to how weak the the candidates are and how much the control of the 2 party system has.
wmeugene
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He has missed a number of filing deadlines and is quickly coming up on more filing deadlines without any semblance of an organized effort to get on the ballot.
Clearly just a PR stunt. The fall and decline of Kanye from the heights he was at has been without parallel in American music history.
jaycee
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It's really difficult for narcissists to accept that they're ill, and if you can't accept that you're ill and you've convinced yourself that you and your God know more about your health than your Dr. Well you are not going to be able to heal and you're going to continue to make really bad choices.
Woob_woob
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Anyone that believes Kanye is actually "running for president" is falling right into his plan. This is all just an ignorable stunt by Kanye to get his name in the news before his new album. Hell, this isnt even the first time he used the president angle as a PR stunt.
Also I find it very hilarious that people are worried he will steal votes from Biden and swing the election to Trump. This upcoming election is fully Bidens to lose. If he loses it will 100% be on his dinosaur ass and the out of touch Dems, not Kanye, not even a little bit.
Also I find it very hilarious that people are worried he will steal votes from Biden and swing the election to Trump. This upcoming election is fully Bidens to lose. If he loses it will 100% be on his dinosaur ass and the out of touch Dems, not Kanye, not even a little bit.
Memo
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laughed way too hard at this part... but I agree.
djdavedk
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He's made some good music and some okay music and some awful music... sorry, but genius is not a word I would associate him with.
I suppose it's subjective, though. If you count 'extreme creativity,' he falls under that - as do hundreds of other people.
The stuff he says certainly doesn't indicate extreme intelligence.
I suppose it's subjective, though. If you count 'extreme creativity,' he falls under that - as do hundreds of other people.
The stuff he says certainly doesn't indicate extreme intelligence.
Woob_woob
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I dont think people call(ed) him a genius because hes some kind of great mensa mind. He gets called a genius for his contributions to art, and especially modern hip hop. There is noone from my generation that has a greater or more impactful discography than Kanye.
dhodo
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I'll take MF Doom's discography for that title in the 00s, personally. Kanye's influence may be wider reaching due to popularity, but for me personally, that's secondary.
I think you could make some arguments production wise for El-P and Madlib as well, but that's a different group I guess if we're talking rapper/producers instead.
MikeH
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Art is and always be subjective though...if that is what it means to that artist, then that's what it means to that artist. In this case, i's stupid and may be something you disagree with, but it's still their meaning and almost makes it more interesting to me. I completely understand not wanting to give financial support based on their statements though. There are lots of artists whose personal lives have been a mess, have done despicable things, etc. I mean...hell...David Bowie went through his whole The Thin White Duke period where he expressed sympathy for Hitler and Nazis and later blamed those on drugs and said he was playing a character...I just wonder if people's assessment of his art will change as he reveals himself to be more vacuous. It's an interesting question, to me: people want thought-provoking art to come from people who have something insightful or profound to express. What does it mean for art to be great or influential if the person who created it is just an empty vessel for inspiration?
^That question is far from being unique to Kanye. It reminds me of this Black painter here in Indianapolis, who paints these sort of otherworldly depictions of Black subjects that all seem like they have some sort of mythology behind them. Like this one:
I think his work is beautiful and fascinating, and I've looked at buying one of his paintings a couple of times. And then I followed him on IG and discovered that he's a bizarre libertarian/rightwing jagoff who says his paintings are about things like pulling yourself up by the bootstraps and not taking handouts.
They're not about that; they can't be about that. Look at it. How can he not realize that he's wrong about the meaning of his own work? But who can tell him that? He painted the damn things. It's nearly ruined his work for me altogether.
Separate art from artist? Maybe. I can get with theories that the author is dead and that intent is meaningless because impact on the audience is the only thing that matters. But finding out that an artist is a dispshit can certainly refocus your view of what the value of the art was in the first place.
I don't think there's anything wrong with saying Kanye is an idiot while also admitting that he's an extremely influential producer.
Jonathan Y
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Kanye can't run for president because he isn't doing any of the steps needed. He is just using the shock to promote. It's the same ploy he used to release TLOP. Facts was one of the early singles and when he said 2020 Ima run the whole election it sent ppl in a tizzy. Then he went on the MTV VMAs and said listen to the kids bro, but never intended to actually run yet. He is doubling down to promote JIK2 and God's Country.
He did however get a few hundred thousand to register to vote yesterday by tweeting a link out
He did however get a few hundred thousand to register to vote yesterday by tweeting a link out
MikeH
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If we're saying influential, I would 100% agree that Kanye is most influential from his era. Doom is amazing, but Kanye's production was more influential and far-reaching than Doom's. I personally think Kanye is a pretty awful rapper but an incredible producer.
dhodo
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I guess it depends on where you value the influence the most. As I said, I can't deny that Kanye's influence is further reaching, but in the underground scene, I'm not sure it would be true that everyone owes more to Kanye than those other names I listed.
I agree with you on his production being his strong suit and I don't disagree that he is a great producer. For me personally, it is hard to say he is definitively the best/greatest of his generation though.
dhodo
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I guess it is really hard to compare directly. Kanye did the majority of the production on his great albums (I think?), Which you certainly can't say for all of DOOM's, even though he is a great producer. Which is impressive. So I guess it becomes harder to argue against if the claim is that Kanye is the greatest of his generation to be majority responsible for the production and rapping on his albums.
Woob_woob
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Arts meaning is in the eye of the beholder imo. We can give meaning to art independent of the artist that created it. Yes an artist can easily help shape that meaning in a multitude of different ways, some good, some bad and sometimes (like with Kanye) it's both. Is Kanye the man who has donated millions to liberal causes over the years or is he the man that thinks slavery was a choice and Planned Parenthood is doing the devil's work? I like to think it's more of the former, (probably because I'm a long time fan of his art) but I cant lie and say his newer work isnt stained because of the latter.I just wonder if people's assessment of his art will change as he reveals himself to be more vacuous. It's an interesting question, to me: people want thought-provoking art to come from people who have something insightful or profound to express. What does it mean for art to be great or influential if the person who created it is just an empty vessel for inspiration?
^That question is far from being unique to Kanye. It reminds me of this Black painter here in Indianapolis, who paints these sort of otherworldly depictions of Black subjects that all seem like they have some sort of mythology behind them. Like this one:
I think his work is beautiful and fascinating, and I've looked at buying one of his paintings a couple of times. And then I followed him on IG and discovered that he's a bizarre libertarian/rightwing jagoff who says his paintings are about things like pulling yourself up by the bootstraps and not taking handouts.
They're not about that; they can't be about that. Look at it. How can he not realize that he's wrong about the meaning of his own work? But who can tell him that? He painted the damn things. It's nearly ruined his work for me altogether.
Separate art from artist? Maybe. I can get with theories that the author is dead and that intent is meaningless because impact on the audience is the only thing that matters. But finding out that an artist is a dispshit can certainly refocus your view of what the value of the art was in the first place.
Woob_woob
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Doom has one of the best 3 year runs of all time, but Kanyes discography as a whole is still better imo. Also I'd much rather listen to an elp or madlib beat, but Kanye is more "important" than both combined.
dhodo
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I guess I have a hard time gauging that importance past subjective personal preference. I think you can find a lot of people like me who don't think that Kanye has more than 4 truly great solo albums, some believe even less, and obviously many people who think he has a lot more.
Dude is a great producer, hugely influential, I'll not argue that he isn't a great musical mind. But I think he has been graded on a curve for a long time now and everything he is in the news for does affect my desire to enjoy his music.