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Melt Face Molly Drop said:
At the end of the day, it’s a children’s movie, not an art house picture. The entertainment value is there whether it’s a “bad” film or not.
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This is true, but there's a nagging sense of cynical corporate cash in through the whole thing that knocks it down a couple pegs from the usual, forgettable children's fare imo. It's a very, very lazy children's film.

Still not as offensive as something like Sing or anything else from Illumination.
 
gouis said:
No reason children’s films can’t be art.
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But that doesn’t mean all children’s films should be art.

No one is trying to begin to compare Space Jam to Spirited Away. It all just leads back to the same pretentious arguments for/against what qualifies something as an artistic achievement.

The way MJ stretched his body to dunk on the Monstars at the end of the game? Both a physical AND an artistic achievement. I give it 5 outta 5 Muggsy Bogueses
 
While I'm all for smarter and more well-made movies for kids, it is also true that a lot of kids do like goofy and silly movies that might not exactly be the pinnacle of cinema. I'm sure we all have movies we loved as kids that didn't hold up on rewatch when we got older. "It's for kids" is not an excuse for a movie to be bad. But at the same time, most kids don't really have that filter to recognize that a movie is bad when they're younger (at least I didn't), so odds are just about any kid's movie you think is absolutely stupid without any artistic merit whatsoever is probably some kid's favorite movie. That's not the fault of the kid since they aren't old enough to know any better, but more the industry just having low standards in general. Are a tons of kids movies cynically made and talk down to their audiences? Of course. Do a lot of those same movies also happen to become widely successful because kids like them? Yup.
 
Please tell me I wasn't the only one who did this when Dirk Diggler stars belting out "The Touch" in Boogie Nights?

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It wasn't until I was older that I realized the movie was nothing more than an attempt to get rid of old characters and sell more toys.
 
mdmost said:
Please tell me I wasn't the only one who did this when Dirk Diggler stars belting out "The Touch" in Boogie Nights?

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It wasn't until I was older that I realized the movie was nothing more than an attempt to get rid of old characters and sell more toys.
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It think I did this exactly and then preceded to download the MP3.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
The How Did This Get Made? episode where they gleefully tear apart Space Jam in front of an audience of millennials who unironically love that movie and were hoping they would be charmed by it (they weren’t) is a lot of fun.
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I was completely obsessed with Space Jam as a kid. It made me a Michael Jordan fan. I had a poster of him on my bedroom door and started watching Bulls games. I watched the movie so many times, that just as nostalgia works, I believed I loved it...to this day. Then I rewatched it a few years ago and couldn't believe how actually terrible it was. So...yeah, listening to that episode I was like...YES. Finally. Cause sure it is perfectly okay to like or love something because of nostalgia...I definitely like things that aren't that great because of that. But Space Jam...it was like a rude awakening.
 
Bennnnn said:
I was completely obsessed with Space Jam as a kid. It made me a Michael Jordan fan. I had a poster of him on my bedroom door and started watching Bulls games. I watched the movie so many times, that just as nostalgia works, I believed I loved it...to this day. Then I rewatched it a few years ago and couldn't believe how actually terrible it was. So...yeah, listening to that episode I was like...YES. Finally. Cause sure it is perfectly okay to like or love something because of nostalgia...I definitely like things that aren't that great because of that. But Space Jam...it was like a rude awakening.
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I grew up with parents that cocked an eyebrow at anything remotely popular. Usually that just led me straight towards whatever the popular thing was, but even sixth-grade me (who should've been in the pocket for Space Jam) read Space Jam as a crash-grab licensing/branding coup.

As I've grown up, I've heard the "Space Jam is good actually" contingent get more and more vocal and...I just don't see it. It even further blows my mind that people see that messy-ass Space Jam 2 trailer and say "looks fun!" It looks like a roller coaster: most of us will puke and pass out halfway through.

It's going to make so much money and we're going to forget it so quickly.
 
I think people can like Space Jam on pure nostalgia without it being toxic. I think the toxic part is just because of the internet where everything is toxic. 🤷🏼‍♂️

All I have to say about Space Jam 2 is that I agree with a lot of comments I have seen that it is hilariously weird and nonsensical to put the Clockwork Orange droogs in the front in the background and would love to have heard the discussion that lead to that decision.
 
dhodo said:
I think people can like Space Jam on pure nostalgia without it being toxic. I think the toxic part is just because of the internet where everything is toxic. 🤷🏼‍♂️

All I have to say about Space Jam 2 is that I agree with a lot of comments I have seen that it is hilariously weird and nonsensical to put the Clockwork Orange droogs in the front in the background and would love to have heard the discussion that lead to that decision.
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I don't mean to say it's a bad or toxic impulse; it's just one I don't relate to and find confusing in the face of how cynical an effort I view it as. The inclusion of the Droogs (and Barry Lyndon, as some have spotted) ties into that for me; it's just a flex, an announcement of "we own everything." Maybe there are huge Kubrick heads somewhere on the crew and they lovingly included them, but it strikes me more like the studio pulled every card out of their IP rolodex. It's also a bummer to see the Iron Giant treated like a beloved canon character by the studio which barely supported the movie in the first place.
 
Bull Shannon said:
I don't mean to say it's a bad or toxic impulse; it's just one I don't relate to and find confusing in the face of how cynical an effort I view it as. The inclusion of the Droogs (and Barry Lyndon, as some have spotted) ties into that for me; it's just a flex, an announcement of "we own everything." Maybe there are huge Kubrick heads somewhere on the crew and they lovingly included them, but it strikes me more like the studio pulled every card out of their IP rolodex. It's also a bummer to see the Iron Giant treated like a beloved canon character by the studio which barely supported the movie in the first place.
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Oh sorry, I wasn't saying that in response to you. Someone else said "toxic nostalgia" and I probably am not understanding what they meant as I'm sure there are plenty of people who just like it for nostalgia without any toxicity.

Yeah I think you are right about the reason, just seems weird in a kids movie considering their actions in the book/movie!
 
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