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TenderLovingKiller® said:
I haven’t seen it but the premise seems more like an episode of Black Mirror than a feature length film. I am not big grossout body horror so I doubt I will ever go out of my way to watch it.
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I had to turn away from the screen numerous times. It's REALLY gross, aside the two lead performances (which are pretty good) I just can't see why it's nominated for Best Pic.
 
Melt Face Molly Drop said:
B movie is just a term for low budget film, right? At some point did its definition shift to only include sci-fi/horror, or is that just me?
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B films are inherently low budget but far from every low budget film is a B-film. To me, a B film denotes a genre film that is poorly made and innately campy as a byproduct of it's budget and amateur nature (ala The Room or Toxic Avenger). Thus why I wouldn't view Death Proof or The Substance as B films even if there are elements of homage to them within (especially with Death Proof). To me, the Substance is far more influenced by the aueter work of Cronenberg than it is tradition B films. Her other film Revenge, though, is very much influenced by many of the same low budget B films of the 70's that QT is.

Edit: Google AI says:

A B movie is a low-budget film that was originally shown as part of a double feature with a major studio release. The term "B movie" originated in Hollywood during the Golden Age of Hollywood, which was the 1930s and 1940s.

Characteristics of B movies
  • Low budget: B movies were made on a small budget and had low production values.

  • Formulaic: B movies often had formulaic scripts and tight shooting schedules.

  • Short running time: B movies were usually relatively short.

  • Genre-based: B movies were often made in specific genres, such as horror, sci-fi, or action.

  • Unconventional: B movies often had unconventional storytelling.
 
Melt Face Molly Drop said:
B movie is just a term for low budget film, right? At some point did its definition shift to only include sci-fi/horror, or is that just me?
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Yeah, cheap low budget films but I think the most popular ones within the genre are horror and sci-fi. I think that the difference between a cheap B-Movie comedy or drama and a big studio comedy or drama isn’t necessarily as obvious as it is with horror and sci-fi but people like John Water and Roger Corman directed non-sci-fi/horror b-movies.
 
DownIsTheNewUp said:
Same. It's not healthy for the medium, nor for the crews.

I'm lucky. I have access to a vast Plex server. And I don't feel guilty about it because I see about 25 movies in theaters every year and probably buy that many 4ks every year as well.

Mubi started in bluray distribution for indies and foreign films though so I'll cut them some slack.
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My mom wishes i bought that few 😬
 
DownIsTheNewUp said:
B films are inherently low budget but far from every low budget film is a B-film. To be, a B film denotes a genre film that is poorly made and innately campy as a byproduct of it's budget. Thus why I wouldn't view Death Proof or The Substance as B films even if there are elements of homage to them within (especially with Death Proof). To me, the Substance is far more influenced by the aueter work of Cronenberg than it is tradition B films. Her other film Revenge, though, is very much influenced by many of the same low budget B films of the 70's that QT is.
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As I am sure you are aware Deathproof was initially released as part of the “Grindhouse” double feature with Rodriguez’s Palnet Terror it included faux trailers in between for Werewomen Of The SS, Hobo With A Shotgun, and Machete. The whole premise was a homage to cheap exploitation films of the 60s and 70s that you could catch at a drive-in or late night double feature. Their goal was to make B-Movies which is the main difference in that most B-Movie directors weren’t attempting to make B-Movies per se, they were just trying to make the best movie that could make as cheaply as they could. So in that way it’s more of a meta B-Movie but it certainly has more in common with a B-Movie than it does with an Art House film or a blockbuster.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
As I am sure you are aware Deathproof was initially released as part of the “Grindhouse” double feature with Rodriguez’s Palnet Terror it included faux trailers in between for Werewomen Of The SS, Hobo With A Shotgun, and Machete. The whole premise was a homage to cheap exploitation films of the 60s and 70s that you could catch at a drive-in or late night double feature. Their goal was to make B-Movies which is the main difference in that most B-Movie directors weren’t attempting to make B-Movies per se, they were just trying to make the best movie that could make as cheaply as they could. So in that way it’s more of a meta B-Movie but it certainly has more in common with a B-Movie than it does with an Art House film or a blockbuster.
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Yeah, yeah. I'm well aware. And Planet Terror 100% feels like a B Film.

Death Proof ,on the other hand, has great acting, one of the best car chases in the history of cinema and has production values up the wazoo.
 
DownIsTheNewUp said:
Yeah, yeah. I'm well aware. And Planet Terror 100% feels like a B Film.

Death Proof ,on the other hand, has great acting, one of the best car chases in the history of cinema and has production values up the wazoo.
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The car chase scene is cool but it’s also absurdly long to the point that I laughed because it just kept going. I love Tarantino but Death Proof is absolutely bottom tier of his filmography. If you told me it was a John Carpenter film that seems more appropriate. It’s good as a genre exercise but it has all the feeling of a B-Movie which was his intention.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
As I am sure you are aware Deathproof was initially released as part of the “Grindhouse” double feature with Rodriguez’s Palnet Terror it included faux trailers in between for Werewomen Of The SS, Hobo With A Shotgun, and Machete. The whole premise was a homage to cheap exploitation films of the 60s and 70s that you could catch at a drive-in or late night double feature. Their goal was to make B-Movies which is the main difference in that most B-Movie directors weren’t attempting to make B-Movies per se, they were just trying to make the best movie that could make as cheaply as they could. So in that way it’s more of a meta B-Movie but it certainly has more in common with a B-Movie than it does with an Art House
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TenderLovingKiller® said:
The car chase scene is cool but it’s also absurdly long to the point that I laughed because it just kept going. I love Tarantino but Death Proof is absolutely bottom tier of his filmography. If you told me it was a John Carpenter film that seems more appropriate. It’s good as a genre exercise but it has all the feeling of a B-Movie which was his intention.
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I'm rewatching it right now. I had forgotten about the intentional glitches and the such. Haven't seen it in probably 10 years.

I've agreed the whole time that it's an homage to B films. I guess the question is whether it's possible for a largely budgeted film by an S tier filmmaker to be considered a B film. Maybe so? It's certainly way more of a B film The Substance which I still think is far more in the lane of Cronenberg than The Toxic Avenger.

Also, I'm in the rare camp that would probably have Django at the bottom of his filmography. A sacrilegious take, I know.

*****
Pulp Fiction
Inglorious Bastards
Jackie Brown
Kill Bill V1

****1/2
Once Upon A Time in Hollywood
Kill Bill Vol 2
Reservoir Dogs

****
Hateful 8
Death Proof
Django

The last time I watched Django it felt overlong and like it was trying to hard in spots. That was well before I had a LB but I keep flipping it's score between at 3.5 and 4 so probably time for a rewatch.
 
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