Neverending Covid-19 Coronavirus

nolalady said:
My oldest just turned 12 last Wednesday and we were talking to him about the vaccine. I was very concerned about the myocarditis that was popping up in young males after the vaccine, but I read more about it and realized that this was very rare and that after 3 months, there was no detectible damage or dysfunction. We are going this weekend to get his first shot.
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My daughter had very little side-effects from the 1st shot. We went on the day of her 12th birthday. Sore arm, that's it. She's getting her 2nd in a week.
 
I'm just shaking my head at the stupidity of some people and the GOP.

In Missouri where there are ultra low rates of covid vaccinations, covid cases are surging. Hospitals are now at 100% capacity.

Meanwhile, in the same county, the county fair continues on at full swing. No mask mandates, almost no masks to be seen. People are behaving like times are back to normal and there is no pandemic.
 
4 states are no longer reporting covid data daily even though Delta is surging within those states. They have opted to shift form daily reporting to weekly or monthly.

Key data is also missing, such as information by the county or vaccination numbers.

www.axios.com

Some states trim COVID reporting as Delta spurs surge

The trend of reducing reporting worries some health care experts, many of whom believe the more data the better.
www.axios.com www.axios.com
 
Chucktshoes said:
I think the best way to approach that subject is to depersonalize it. If a tree falls in the road blocking your path, getting mad at the tree doesn’t help anything. It’s simply and obstacle to get around and what’s the best way to do so? Sometimes there’s enough room to drive around it. Sometimes it takes more work to and maybe you have to pull it off the road. Regardless of the best method for that tree, it’s simply an obstacle to overcome, not a personal affront.

Where I think this viewpoint really helps is that working margins here makes a big difference. If you convince just 5% of the population of the US to get vaccinated, that’s 16.5 million people. That’s a lot of folks and goes a long way towards a better end result.
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but an unvaccinated person is not a tree with no will or ability or responsibility. A tree falls and blocks the road because it is moved around by nature or fate or some other force. It has no say in the matter and cannot be blamed.

At this point if you are an American and not vaccinated, you're not a fart in the wind, blown to and fro by the whims of the breeze. The great likelihood is that it's a conscious choice you've made and the responsibility is yours to bear. It's not unreasonable to be frustrated and mad at people who are choosing to remain unvaccinated for what amounts to bullshit reasons.

I get your point, and yes, it's true that you get more flies with honey* than with vinegar, but man. I told my mom, and I'll tell any stranger on the street: my kid's at risk because you're a selfish piece of shit? go get fucked with that antiscience, antisocial bullshit. I'm not going to pretend to not care in order to protect anyone's antisocial fee-fees.

*technically you get the most flies with shit
 
yukbon said:
but an unvaccinated person is not a tree with no will or ability or responsibility. A tree falls and blocks the road because it is moved around by nature or fate or some other force. It has no say in the matter and cannot be blamed.

At this point if you are an American and not vaccinated, you're not a fart in the wind, blown to and fro by the whims of the breeze. The great likelihood is that it's a conscious choice you've made and the responsibility is yours to bear. It's not unreasonable to be frustrated and mad at people who are choosing to remain unvaccinated for what amounts to bullshit reasons.

I get your point, and yes, it's true that you get more flies with honey* than with vinegar, but man. I told my mom, and I'll tell any stranger on the street: my kid's at risk because you're a selfish piece of shit? go get fucked with that antiscience, antisocial bullshit. I'm not going to pretend to not care in order to protect anyone's antisocial fee-fees.

*technically you get the most flies with shit
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Enjoy your feelings of moral superiority then. 👍
 
Although now that you mention it, i hadn't considered it before, but if it comes down to brass tacks, I am 100% superior to someone who wantonly risks the lives of those that are vulnerable and can't be vaccinated.

I feel pretty solidly superior to someone letting kids and cancer patients and transplant recipients just roll the dice every day based on nothing.
 
The GOP is now urging people to get vaccinated. But this push comes too little too late.

Why the change of heart by the GOP? Because the COVID / Delta surge is hitting Wall Street, thus impacting the riches bottom line.

But still, when asked if they would mandate a vaccine the answer is no. It goes against their parties principles. It's a matter of freedom and personal responsibility.

The late push for the vaccine also will hardly have any effect on Trump's base who largely objects getting the vaccine.
 
these fucking guys. snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. honestly would it kill the democratic party to take a page from the republican playbook and just play the heel and get shit done ? say what you will about putin's mitch, if he wanted increased restrictions, he'd shrug off any complaints and get 'ir done.
 
Reading additional articles about this, it appears to have to do more with travel restrictions than mask mandates and alike.

The travel industry and other countries are pushing hard for the United States to lift it's travel restrictions. So today's White House statement is about how the Biden Administration plans to keep current travel restrictions in place for now rather than lifting them.
 
gouis said:
www.theatlantic.com

Vaccinated America Has Had Enough

In the United States, this pandemic could be almost over by now. The reasons it’s still going are pretty clear.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com
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You know what really grinds my gears? These Anti-vax legislators forbidding businesses from requiring proof of vaccination are the same assholes that would defend a businesses right to refuse service to people for shitty reasons. This is a public health crisis, cruise ships shouldn't HAVE to let unvaccinated people on board. Damn hypocrites.
 
Max Sterling said:
You know what really grinds my gears? These Anti-vax legislators forbidding businesses from requiring proof of vaccination are the same assholes that would defend a businesses right to refuse service to people for shitty reasons. This is a public health crisis, cruise ships shouldn't HAVE to let unvaccinated people on board. Damn hypocrites.
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On this we can agree. As much as I am opposed to the idea of compulsory vax requirements or .gov mandated vax passports, I am equally opposed to .gov stepping into preventing private entities from making their own decisions on this matter.
 
Can someone with better understanding or knowlege explain to me how they are determining that delta is the variant that is spreading the most etc etc? from all i've found, the CDC is doing actual sequencing to find variants on 750 cases nationally per week; given that there's 52000 new cases per week, they're way, way, way off. like, what they're testing is statistically insignificant and within a margin of error.
 
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