Endtro
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At Champlain Valley High, a vocal minority decries indoor mask mandate - VTDigger
Two parents are voicing daily opposition to Champlain Valley Union's Covid-19 protocols.
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When I was visiting my family over the weekend in the western part of the state, I saw a local news story about how all the local hospitals are short staffed. Covid spread map was updated to severe for all but one county in western Massachusetts this past weekend. As cases climb and hospitalizations increase nurses are being stretched too thin, being overworked and continue to quit their jobs.
The nursing shortage is being caused by nurses quitting their job to take on temporary work. Often as a traveling nurse. Traveling nurses travel to different parts of the country to where there are shortages in nurses and high covid cases in high population areas. They often make $5,000 a week or more. I know of at least one personally who is down in Maryland right now making $7,000 a week.
The issue is this is cleaning house of staff at rural hospitals. The rural hospitals can not afford to pay anywhere close to $5,00 a week. Nor can they afford to get their own traveling nurses to help with the staffing issues.
Covid has created a big need for traveling nurses, and the pay is extremely good. And this is hurting the rural hospitals who already pay nurses below the state average. Nurses are leaving left and right for these traveling nurse positions for much better pay. Some who didn't leave right away to do that are now quitting and taking on these jobs after their hospital became short staffed, hours insanely long and stress levels too high to maintain. Burnout is real for them and the overtime pay is still nowhere near would they could make as a traveling nurse who likely only has to work 40 hours a week, 50 at tops.
The need for nurses in high population centers are currently pulling nurses away from rural areas.
The nursing shortage is being caused by nurses quitting their job to take on temporary work. Often as a traveling nurse. Traveling nurses travel to different parts of the country to where there are shortages in nurses and high covid cases in high population areas. They often make $5,000 a week or more. I know of at least one personally who is down in Maryland right now making $7,000 a week.
The issue is this is cleaning house of staff at rural hospitals. The rural hospitals can not afford to pay anywhere close to $5,00 a week. Nor can they afford to get their own traveling nurses to help with the staffing issues.
Covid has created a big need for traveling nurses, and the pay is extremely good. And this is hurting the rural hospitals who already pay nurses below the state average. Nurses are leaving left and right for these traveling nurse positions for much better pay. Some who didn't leave right away to do that are now quitting and taking on these jobs after their hospital became short staffed, hours insanely long and stress levels too high to maintain. Burnout is real for them and the overtime pay is still nowhere near would they could make as a traveling nurse who likely only has to work 40 hours a week, 50 at tops.
The need for nurses in high population centers are currently pulling nurses away from rural areas.
There is some evidence that Vitamin D has a protective effect against severe covid symptoms. There are also breakthrough infections--fully vaccinated people getting Covid. We aren't sure what's happening here, but we believe that the antibodies wane after about 8 months after the shot. We see a similar effect with the flu vaccine antibodies. So she isn't totally off base, but she wasn't told, or didn't see that those people that get the vaccine are largely protected against severe covid symptoms and hospitalization, unless you are high risk.
What's needed here is not an admonishment, or snark, but a genuine conversation with you involved. Realize that her fears are not unfounded and talk to her about what we know and what we don't. I came across an article today that resonated with me. This is a novel virus, which means we don't know a damn thing about it. I wonder what's happening to intellectual curiosity and why is it being replaced with politics. In every statistics class, my professors were quick to remind us that statistics only suggest an outcome--it doesn't define an outcome. Just because this cohort of people has this result, doesn't mean it's transferrable to another group of people. Throughout scientific literature, we constantly state that we don't really know, but we can report on what we observe and make an educated guess after that. This is the beauty of the scientific process--it allows for varied results as we continually add information to our approximation. But with the Covid literature, people are treating it like it's carved in stone. They act like we can't have new information and government officials often aren't scientists, so they don't appreciate that the science changes as we gather new information. If we were more honest, which I think we should be, then we should say that we don't really know how effective vaccines are when it comes to contracting covid (but we do know about those people's hospitalization rates). We also don't know what other vitamins might help protect people. I even read a study that came out of Japan that talked about how people on hypertension medications had lower rates of covid compared to a similar risk group not on these meds. We aren't sure why we are seeing these results. We stopped ivermectin treatment, but India and Latin America are still using this as an active treatment. We are still teasing out the biological mechanisms of covid--and until we know this, we can only respond to symptoms.
No one knows what's actually effective, or what the science really is, but we are learning how to best protect ourselves, and the number one way to keep covid from spreading is still population masking and social distancing. If you want to avoid the hospital, you should probably get a vaccine, because the data shows that adverse events from the vaccine are about 4 to 6 per one million people, but it reduces your risk of hospitalization (how much, we aren't sure but the data suggests that it is highly protective). There was a good study that came out of the UK earlier this month that talks about risk factors for hospitalization with the vaccine:
Between Dec 8, 2020, and July 4, 2021, 1 240 009 COVID Symptom Study app users reported a first vaccine dose, of whom 6030 (0·5%) subsequently tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 (cases 1), and 971 504 reported a second dose, of whom 2370 (0·2%) subsequently tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 (cases 2). In the risk factor analysis, frailty was associated with post-vaccination infection in older adults (≥60 years) after their first vaccine dose (odds ratio [OR] 1·93, 95% CI 1·50–2·48; p<0·0001), and individuals living in highly deprived areas had increased odds of post-vaccination infection following their first vaccine dose (OR 1·11, 95% CI 1·01–1·23; p=0·039). Individuals without obesity (BMI <30 kg/m2) had lower odds of infection following their first vaccine dose (OR 0·84, 95% CI 0·75–0·94; p=0·0030). For the disease profile analysis, 3825 users from cases 1 were included in cases 3 and 906 users from cases 2 were included in cases 4. Vaccination (compared with no vaccination) was associated with reduced odds of hospitalisation or having more than five symptoms in the first week of illness following the first or second dose, and long-duration (≥28 days) symptoms following the second dose. Almost all symptoms were reported less frequently in infected vaccinated individuals than in infected unvaccinated individuals, and vaccinated participants were more likely to be completely asymptomatic, especially if they were 60 years or older.
Risk factors and disease profile of post-vaccination SARS-CoV-2 infection in UK users of the COVID Symptom Study app: a prospective, community-based, nested, case-control study
To minimise SARS-CoV-2 infection, at-risk populations must be targeted in efforts to boost vaccine effectiveness and infection control measures. Our findings might support caution around relaxing physical distancing and other personal protective measures in the post-vaccination era, particularly...
www.thelancet.com
I guess you have to decide, do you care enough to engage in conversation? For an acquaintance, I usually don't say much or say something like, "yeah, I decided to get my vaccine because I can't be spending time in the hospital" or "my dad is a transplant case so I got it to protect him". And they acknowledge that yes that is a good reason.
I was recently at a family funeral and my cousin's wife was talking about how they didn't get the vaccine and all of them (her, my cousin, and their child) got Covid. She asked me if I had gotten the vaccine and I said yes, because I want to see my immunocompromised father without getting him sick, and she said that she wished she had gotten the vaccine because she was still dealing with the fatigue syndrome prior to getting covid. I know that part of their reasoning was quasi-political (they are staunch Republicans but not the over the top vaccine denier people). I feel like if this was less political, then people like my cousin and his wife would have been much more open to getting the vaccine.
Hmmmm, what could we do to stop this from happening?
Answer: A comprehensive national health strategy
13 Miami-Dade school employees have died of Covid-19 since mid-August | CNN
Thirteen school employees from Miami-Dade County Public Schools have died from Covid-19 since August 16, the school district and local teacher union told CNN on Tuesday.
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JohnnyCashFan
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This is becoming like voter suppression. Caring suppression, science suppression, truth suppression. Very Orwellian ! Caring about people, caring about dieing, caring about protecting loved ones, elderly, children... Suppress! The new weapon of mass self destruction of the right, ignorant, and demented.
Ask for COVID vaccine proof, face a $5,000 fine in Florida
Businesses requiring proof of vaccination say they are trying to make customers and employees feel safe, but critics say it violates their rights and their privacy.www.live5news.com
Turbo
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There is some evidence that Vitamin D has a protective effect against severe covid symptoms. There are also breakthrough infections--fully vaccinated people getting Covid. We aren't sure what's happening here, but we believe that the antibodies wane after about 8 months after the shot. We see a similar effect with the flu vaccine antibodies. So she isn't totally off base, but she wasn't told, or didn't see that those people that get the vaccine are largely protected against severe covid symptoms and hospitalization, unless you are high risk.
What's needed here is not an admonishment, or snark, but a genuine conversation with you involved. Realize that her fears are not unfounded and talk to her about what we know and what we don't. I came across an article today that resonated with me. This is a novel virus, which means we don't know a damn thing about it. I wonder what's happening to intellectual curiosity and why is it being replaced with politics. In every statistics class, my professors were quick to remind us that statistics only suggest an outcome--it doesn't define an outcome. Just because this cohort of people has this result, doesn't mean it's transferrable to another group of people. Throughout scientific literature, we constantly state that we don't really know, but we can report on what we observe and make an educated guess after that. This is the beauty of the scientific process--it allows for varied results as we continually add information to our approximation. But with the Covid literature, people are treating it like it's carved in stone. They act like we can't have new information and government officials often aren't scientists, so they don't appreciate that the science changes as we gather new information. If we were more honest, which I think we should be, then we should say that we don't really know how effective vaccines are when it comes to contracting covid (but we do know about those people's hospitalization rates). We also don't know what other vitamins might help protect people. I even read a study that came out of Japan that talked about how people on hypertension medications had lower rates of covid compared to a similar risk group not on these meds. We aren't sure why we are seeing these results. We stopped ivermectin treatment, but India and Latin America are still using this as an active treatment. We are still teasing out the biological mechanisms of covid--and until we know this, we can only respond to symptoms.
No one knows what's actually effective, or what the science really is, but we are learning how to best protect ourselves, and the number one way to keep covid from spreading is still population masking and social distancing. If you want to avoid the hospital, you should probably get a vaccine, because the data shows that adverse events from the vaccine are about 4 to 6 per one million people, but it reduces your risk of hospitalization (how much, we aren't sure but the data suggests that it is highly protective). There was a good study that came out of the UK earlier this month that talks about risk factors for hospitalization with the vaccine:
Between Dec 8, 2020, and July 4, 2021, 1 240 009 COVID Symptom Study app users reported a first vaccine dose, of whom 6030 (0·5%) subsequently tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 (cases 1), and 971 504 reported a second dose, of whom 2370 (0·2%) subsequently tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 (cases 2). In the risk factor analysis, frailty was associated with post-vaccination infection in older adults (≥60 years) after their first vaccine dose (odds ratio [OR] 1·93, 95% CI 1·50–2·48; p<0·0001), and individuals living in highly deprived areas had increased odds of post-vaccination infection following their first vaccine dose (OR 1·11, 95% CI 1·01–1·23; p=0·039). Individuals without obesity (BMI <30 kg/m2) had lower odds of infection following their first vaccine dose (OR 0·84, 95% CI 0·75–0·94; p=0·0030). For the disease profile analysis, 3825 users from cases 1 were included in cases 3 and 906 users from cases 2 were included in cases 4. Vaccination (compared with no vaccination) was associated with reduced odds of hospitalisation or having more than five symptoms in the first week of illness following the first or second dose, and long-duration (≥28 days) symptoms following the second dose. Almost all symptoms were reported less frequently in infected vaccinated individuals than in infected unvaccinated individuals, and vaccinated participants were more likely to be completely asymptomatic, especially if they were 60 years or older.
Risk factors and disease profile of post-vaccination SARS-CoV-2 infection in UK users of the COVID Symptom Study app: a prospective, community-based, nested, case-control study
To minimise SARS-CoV-2 infection, at-risk populations must be targeted in efforts to boost vaccine effectiveness and infection control measures. Our findings might support caution around relaxing physical distancing and other personal protective measures in the post-vaccination era, particularly...www.thelancet.com
I guess you have to decide, do you care enough to engage in conversation? For an acquaintance, I usually don't say much or say something like, "yeah, I decided to get my vaccine because I can't be spending time in the hospital" or "my dad is a transplant case so I got it to protect him". And they acknowledge that yes that is a good reason.
I was recently at a family funeral and my cousin's wife was talking about how they didn't get the vaccine and all of them (her, my cousin, and their child) got Covid. She asked me if I had gotten the vaccine and I said yes, because I want to see my immunocompromised father without getting him sick, and she said that she wished she had gotten the vaccine because she was still dealing with the fatigue syndrome prior to getting covid. I know that part of their reasoning was quasi-political (they are staunch Republicans but not the over the top vaccine denier people). I feel like if this was less political, then people like my cousin and his wife would have been much more open to getting the vaccine.
Hmmmm, what could we do to stop this from happening?
Answer: A comprehensive national health strategy
There was an excellent article on "waning" immunity in the Atlantic that does a good job explaining what is likely going on.... basically it's how vaccines/immunity works in general. You get a large antibody boost at first and the antibody levels slowly diminish over time but don't quite go away - so you night not get as immediate a protection if you get barraged by a large infectious dose of virus, but your b-cells and t-cells would start up again and mitigate the severity. As one of the experts in the article put it, if our antibodies didn't wane after an infection, we would all have burst by now from all the infections we fought off through life.
What We Actually Know About Waning Immunity
Reports of vaccines’ decline have been greatly overstated.
www.theatlantic.com
AAPS just fired shots across the AMA's bow. I'm just over here eating popcorn.
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AAPS Letter to AMA Re: Ivermectin and COVID - AAPS | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons
Gerald E. Harmon, M.D. President, American Medical Association AMA Plaza 330 N. Wabash Ave., Suite 39300 Chicago, IL 60611-5885 Dear Dr. Harmon: The AMA has taken the startling and unprecedented position that American physicians should […]
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dbarila
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AAPS just fired shots across the AMA's bow. I'm just over here eating popcorn.
AAPS Letter to AMA Re: Ivermectin and COVID - AAPS | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons
Gerald E. Harmon, M.D. President, American Medical Association AMA Plaza 330 N. Wabash Ave., Suite 39300 Chicago, IL 60611-5885 Dear Dr. Harmon: The AMA has taken the startling and unprecedented position that American physicians should […]
I have trouble following the logic of those that think Covid is the least deadly disease in history, but at the same time they only survived because they took Invermectin.
Melt Face Molly Drop
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They probably look at it like some kind of anti-biotic. But what's in anti-biotics, Cheryl?!? There is no logic there. It does not exist.
Turbo
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I read an article the other day by a supposed retired MD that was filled with basic terminology confusion, like mixing the concept of an antibody and an antibiotic. Looked like a complete fake tbh. I wish I could find it again, but as you might guess it was promoting ivermectin while denigrating vaccines.
Melt Face Molly Drop
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It’s scary stuff. We’ve officially hit the era of the internet where most people are comfortable enough to use it yet don’t have the required perspectives to correctly process the information they come across.
Unfortunately, those that do (millennials and below) seem to get thrusted into a depressive fit of over-stimulation/information overload.
Florida judge allows school mask mandates to continue despite governor's appeal
A Florida judge ruled against Gov. Ron Desantis on Wednesday and allowed schools in the state to mandate face-masks while the case is appealed at a higher level.
dbarila
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Our school board had a meeting about the mask mandate last night that got canceled because the people who showed up against it weren't wearing masks so they weren't allowed into the building. Now they're trying to look like the victims. What is it about a piece of cloth that makes people so fucking looney?
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis files emergency appeal on school mask mandates
Lawyers for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis have filed an emergency appeal with the First District Court of Appeals in Florida in hopes of halting school mask mandates while the case goes through the court system.
Just wave the white flag already you dumbass. Just stop.
dbarila
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If only these people put as much effort into supporting programs that actually help people.Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis files emergency appeal on school mask mandates
Lawyers for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis have filed an emergency appeal with the First District Court of Appeals in Florida in hopes of halting school mask mandates while the case goes through the court system.www.cnn.com
Just wave the white flag already you dumbass. Just stop.
The Woman Who Went Viral for Intentionally Coughing on Shoppers Is From Scottsdale
“The coughing lady is from Scottsdale. Of course she is."
dhodo
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Some local ridiculousness from an anti-mask school board member who recently gained notoriety for these statements when asked about her opposition to protective policies in schools:
"Now, I hope and pray that our kids don't get deathly ill or we don't lose any children, but you know what? That's not my...that's up to God"
"I don't believe this virus or variants or whatever else is gonna go away anytime soon," Crosby told James. "We just gotta suck it up. It's not gonna go away, and need to leave the kids in school, and try to do the best we can with it."
A few days later this happened:
She was not wearing a mask in the board meeting after the COVID exposure link either. Class act whose job is supposed to be doing what is best for the children.
"Now, I hope and pray that our kids don't get deathly ill or we don't lose any children, but you know what? That's not my...that's up to God"
"I don't believe this virus or variants or whatever else is gonna go away anytime soon," Crosby told James. "We just gotta suck it up. It's not gonna go away, and need to leave the kids in school, and try to do the best we can with it."
A few days later this happened:
She was not wearing a mask in the board meeting after the COVID exposure link either. Class act whose job is supposed to be doing what is best for the children.
I read a story about a mom who had her children removed from her at the beginning of the pandemic because she did a similar thing. She was an "essential worker" and her apartment was, naturally, very far from her work--she had multiple jobs that were close to each other but not to her house. Her kids would normally go to school/day care, but with everything closed, she could only secure child care part time, so she ended up stashing her kids in her car and going back and checking on them hourly. But this was never going to be sustainable and eventually, someone called the cops on her and they put her kids in foster care. In the article, I read how she was fighting to get her kids back.
What pisses me off the most about this is that this school board member will never get in any real trouble for this transgression. Sure, she'll have to do some sort of child endangerment class put on by the county, but she'll never see jail time and the kids are already back with their mom. This is the double standard. People who can pay for lawyers get out of serious trouble while people who can't afford lawyers have their kids taken away.
debianlinux
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What are the guidelines for leaving kids in the car? Asking for a friend.