NHL Thread Because There Isn't An NHL Thread

BjorgenFjorgen said:
But why? He's currently a free agent and has no contract with an NHL team. Legally he's as unaffiliated with the league as you and I are.
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It doesn't matter that he doesn't have a contract. The league can certainly prevent contracts and therefore prevent a player from playing if there's an issue that goes against whatever morality rules they have. We saw it this summer with that Boston contract (i know different situation and much more reprehensible but still related to a morality issue).

Anyway if he wants to get passed this and play again, he really has no choice. Go through the hoops so the league accepts his next contract. As you say he has no legal affiliation, so nothing prevents him from walking away if he doesn't want to play in the league again. But that's the crux - he wants a contact to play again.

Now if we want to talk about whether this is a fair morality clause the players have to follow, that's another story. I think it is. And players gambling on an NHL games would be a whole other level of bad. But I also think it's incredibly reprehensible and hypocritical that the league is making any money off gambling promotion. They're kind of playing with fire here and this may only be the beginning (i.e. more players will follow) if they continue down this path. They have a responsibility in this but I doubt they ever acknowledge it.
 
It certainly matters that he doesn't have a contract. If he did, and he were playing, and betting on games he was in or had inside knowledge of, that would be a completely different scenario. Obviously that's bad. He's just a regular joe right now.

There is no argument the league could make that gambling on sports goes against their morals (except, of course, this is the league that recently banned Pride tape and only recanted because a third-pair defensemen made them look like fools).
 
BjorgenFjorgen said:
It certainly matters that he doesn't have a contract. If he did, and he were playing, and betting on games he was in or had inside knowledge of, that would be a completely different scenario. Obviously that's bad. He's just a regular joe right now.

There is no argument the league could make that gambling on sports goes against their morals (except, of course, this is the league that recently banned Pride tape and only recanted because a third-pair defensemen made them look like fools).
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According to the Athletic, "Exhibit 14.2 of the NHL’s collective-bargaining agreement states: “Gambling on any NHL Game is prohibited.” The league’s constitution allows gambling on other sports." So...what rule did he break here?
 
BjorgenFjorgen said:
It certainly matters that he doesn't have a contract. If he did, and he were playing, and betting on games he was in or had inside knowledge of, that would be a completely different scenario. Obviously that's bad. He's just a regular joe right now.
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This is true to the extent that the league is in absolutely no obligation to give him his next contract. So no, absolutely not a regular joe. He's a joe that wants to play in the league again. As far as I can tell, in this case he didn't even do anything illegal, only reprehensible in the eyes of the league. But employers are free to decide who they want to go in business with. Is this too much power? Also, even if he doesn't have a contract, he's still covered by his union and the NHLPA. He can file grievances. He can sue in court even.


BjorgenFjorgen said:
There is no argument the league could make that gambling on sports goes against their morals (except, of course, this is the league that recently banned Pride tape and only recanted because a third-pair defensemen made them look like fools).
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No argument that the league is a bunch of buffoons when it comes to picking the right morals to have/fight.
 
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BjorgenFjorgen said:
According to the Athletic, "Exhibit 14.2 of the NHL’s collective-bargaining agreement states: “Gambling on any NHL Game is prohibited.” The league’s constitution allows gambling on other sports." So...what rule did he break here?
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I don't know, obviously. Clearly he did something because he seems to be accepting his fate. But he has recourse. His union for one, if they don't like the interpretation of the agreement. Courts. I mean, we don't even really know the details of what he did since very little was leaked to the media. Just speculation. We'll see soon enough if anyone is fighting this.

Also, clearly this was known for a while as the investigation was taking place, and is probably part of why he did not have a contract.

But I'm against gambling in general being broadened by the NHL to allow players to openly do it on other sports. It's already bad that it's all over advertising and the broadcasts. It needs to regress (yes I know fat chance of that), not expand.
 
From the National Post:

The National Hockey League Players’ Association was fully aware of this situation and has been negotiating with the league on Pinto’s behalf in this settlement.

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GARRIOCH: Senators centre Shane Pinto suspended for gambling violations

Ottawa Senators RFA centre Shane Pinto has been suspended by the NHL for 41 games "for activities violating the league's wagering rules."
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So what he did obviously went against some important rule if the NHLPA, the entity that signed the CBA, was involved in arbitrating a settlement on Pinto's behalf, and they ended on a 41 game suspension being the agreement.
 
Jarry actually looked like a real goalie last night, which is nice but also a little confusing.

But dang. For a shutout that I thought that crowd was gonna fall asleep. Good lord. Can we give some season tickets to the living?
 
Brendan Gallagher confirmed that NHL players are actually allowed to bet on other sports. I don't know how I feel about that, but that's for a different debate.

But maybe we should read between the lines here. The NHL communique mentioned that Pinto didn't bet on NHL games, which would remain accurate in the context that word seems to be coming out that he used a third party. We still don't know exactly what happened, but that would explain the 41 games and why nobody is contesting it.
 
Turbo said:
Brendan Gallagher confirmed that NHL players are actually allowed to bet on other sports. I don't know how I feel about that, but that's for a different debate.

But maybe we should read between the lines here. The NHL communique mentioned that Pinto didn't bet on NHL games, which would remain accurate in the context that word seems to be coming out that he used a third party. We still don't know exactly what happened, but that would explain the 41 games and why nobody is contesting it.
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Okay, because I work in sports and I get the inside info, here's the deal. He had a legal betting account under his name in Canada. Players can wager but not on hockey. When he was back in the states working out, a legal bet was placed from his account within Canada. It's not a bet he could have made as he was out of the country. Which means that someone else has access to his account and placed the bet. This is called proxy betting and it is not legal. The betting site saw the discrepancy and alerted the league. By all accounts the bet was not placed on hockey. That's all the facts anyone knows at this point. The Players Association didn't fight the ruling so whatever they saw, it was a bad bad look. So perhaps this has been going on for a while, or perhaps he has a gambling problem etc. But it was the proxy bet that caused the investigation.
 
Corycm said:
Jarry actually looked like a real goalie last night, which is nice but also a little confusing.

But dang. For a shutout that I thought that crowd was gonna fall asleep. Good lord. Can we give some season tickets to the living?
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It’s been like that since 2018.
They also match the energy these boring ass announcers are bringing
 
Mather said:
Okay, because I work in sports and I get the inside info, here's the deal. He had a legal betting account under his name in Canada. Players can wager but not on hockey. When he was back in the states working out, a legal bet was placed from his account within Canada. It's not a bet he could have made as he was out of the country. Which means that someone else has access to his account and placed the bet. This is called proxy betting and it is not legal. The betting site saw the discrepancy and alerted the league. By all accounts the bet was not placed on hockey. That's all the facts anyone knows at this point. The Players Association didn't fight the ruling so whatever they saw, it was a bad bad look. So perhaps this has been going on for a while, or perhaps he has a gambling problem etc. But it was the proxy bet that caused the investigation.
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Cheers - no doubt more will come out in time, but the fact that nobody seems to be fighting the huge suspension was telling to me that something serious had happened. It puts things in a different light that it would be related to an actual illegal act and not a morality issue (although gambling addiction is serious as well, but that's another discussion).
 
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