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Twentytwo said:
I always AllSides Media Bias chart. If it makes you feel any better Fox News is considered Far right by them which I believe to be true.

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The Atlantic, The Daily Beast, MSNBC and Vox are in no way far left. They are all deeply neoliberal institutions who recoiled at the idea of a Bernie Sanders presidency.

This circles back to the earlier conversation about how there are is no "far, far left" in the US. John Stewart has talked at length on his podcast about how being to the left of the Neoliberal think tank is historically the quickest way to end your career as a journalist.

But sure, Breitbart is the same thing as the NYT Opinion column... or the Overton window has shifted so far to the right that the framing of left v right is broken and a huge part of why Trump may get a 2nd term.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
So, how does everyone here feel about the economy?

According to the latest report by the feds, the economy is on fire and incredibly strong. People are spending money, unemployment is low and there are more job available than candidates to fill them. A record number of people have flown so far this year or hit the roads as well and we have beat inflation.

Yet the economy remains one of the biggest if not biggest concerns of the American people heading into the election.

CNN had an opinion piece about this yesterday. About why people's perceptions of the economy is still negative. Here are the footnotes from what I took away from that:

  • Home ownership is unaffordable for many
  • Prices did not return to the level before inflation
    • prices are still high, just not going higher as fast
    • people expected prices to return to pre inflation levels which was never going to happen according to historical data
  • Because they have been told the economy is bad
    • Republicans have been spreading fears about how bad the economy is under Biden
    • The are hearing it from their coworkers and friends

According to CNN, the economy is great, and the above are all separate issues unrelated to the economy.

A can tell you what my father's take is. "The feds report is complete BS and based on people spending money. Of course people are spending more money, things cost a lot more!"
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How people feel about the economy seems to come down to how they're doing in this economy. All of those footnotes are accurate. And yet, people are still eating out at high levels. People still go out on weekends. We're still consuming at record levels. People are still choosing to spend large sums of money on these things. The problem is things that people need are still at high prices like groceries. The dirty secret is companies have pivoted to these prices being "the new normal". It's why I like that Kamala is talking about price gouging. That's definitely happening because companies feel they can get away with it. People complain about gas prices but they are at a normal level. Sure, it's not going to be pandemic level prices when the supply greatly exceeded the demand. Prices are never going back to that outside of a similar event.

I would love if people would stop blaming politicians for high prices or home ownership being out of reach and let's focus our ire at corporations who are making all of this mess because of their greed. Let's talk about corporations buying up neighborhoods and rental companies conspiring to keep prices high with bullshit algorithms that up everyone's rent. If the media would do their f'ing job, things might actually turn around.
 
DownIsTheNewUp said:
The Atlantic, The Daily Beast, MSNBC and Vox are in no way far left. They are all deeply neoliberal institutions who recoiled at the idea of a Bernie Sanders presidency.

This circles back to the earlier conversation about how there are is no "far, far left" in the US. John Stewart has talked at length on his podcast about how being to the left
of the Neoliberal think tank is historically the quickest way to end your career as a journalist.

But sure, Breitbart is the same thing as the NYT Opinion column.
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I misread the chart but it says left on the chart instead of far left. Things like MSNBC and Fox News are things you watch if you want your biases reinforced. Not saying I don't like some of the anchors on MSNBC especially Lawrence O'Donnell and Stephanie Ruhle, they are light years betters than the liars on right side like Hannity. I totally agree with you that a true far left doesn't exist in the United States.
 
mdmost said:
How people feel about the economy seems to come down to how they're doing in this economy. All of those footnotes are accurate. And yet, people are still eating out at high levels. People still go out on weekends. We're still consuming at record levels. People are still choosing to spend large sums of money on these things. The problem is things that people need are still at high prices like groceries. The dirty secret is companies have pivoted to these prices being "the new normal". It's why I like that Kamala is talking about price gouging. That's definitely happening because companies feel they can get away with it. People complain about gas prices but they are at a normal level. Sure, it's not going to be pandemic level prices when the supply greatly exceeded the demand. Prices are never going back to that outside of a similar event.

I would love if people would stop blaming politicians for high prices or home ownership being out of reach and let's focus our ire at corporations who are making all of this mess because of their greed. Let's talk about corporations buying up neighborhoods and rental companies conspiring to keep prices high with bullshit algorithms that up everyone's rent. If the media would do their f'ing job, things might actually turn around.
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It’s an interesting paradox though, part of Trump’s popularity this time is a reaction to these prices and the current economy. Harris will work to keep regulations in place and possibly strengthen regulations. Allowing at least the status quo to remain if not even lighten the burden of people.

Trump will work hard to deregulate and this will cause all of these concerns to get worse. His big economic plan is Tariffs for god’s sake.
 
Twentytwo said:
I misread the chart but it says left on the chart instead of far left. Things like MSNBC and Fox News are things you watch if you want your biases reinforced. Not saying I don't like some of the anchors on MSNBC especially Lawrence O'Donnell and Stephanie Ruhle, they are light years betters than the liars on right side like Hannity. I totally agree with you that a true far left doesn't exist in the United States.
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I can’t stand MSNBC. It is biased and unlike Fox, boring. And honestly, they lie or distort just as much as Fox.
 
Nee Lewman said:
I can’t stand MSNBC. It is biased and unlike Fox, boring. And honestly, they lie or distort just as much as Fox.
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Many of hosts and commentators are Neo Con GOP, Nicole Wallace worked for Bush and McCain and Joe Scarborough is a former GOP congressman. I am glad they all considered Trump a bridge to far but they are hardly the liberal equivalent of Sean Hannity or Laura Ingram. I am not saying that I desire more bias political commentary shows but they aren’t really equivalent either.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
Many of hosts and commentators are Neo Con GOP, Nicole Wallace worked for Bush and McCain and Joe Scarborough is a former GOP congressman. I am glad they all considered Trump a bridge to far but they are hardly the liberal equivalent of Sean Hannity or Laura Ingram. I am not saying that I desire more bias political commentary shows but they aren’t really equivalent either.
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I’ve never watched much of either but what I have seen seems similar, MSNBC plays more somberly but they spout just as much nonsense just from the left of center. I’m not gonna deep dive on either because I’m more interested in folks who don’t play that game. I do try to watch some stuff from both as I am consciously trying to catch things from all angles. None of the people on MSNBC come off as whackos unlike Fox though.

I’m also not trying to laser focus on all of their broadcasts. 24 hours is a lot of time to fill.

The network definitely markets and presents itself as the left’s answer to Fox and it’s current model is in itself a reaction to Fox News.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
Men are such whiny bitches with fragile egos.


When Trump was apolitical in the pre-Obama era I never considered him to be anything more than a caricature of a “businessman”. The idea that so many men today equate being an asshole with masculinity is absurd. They find even the suggestion that the primary focus of a candidate not being locked on them insulting.
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It doesn't shock me in the least that young men gravitate to Trump. He's everything they wish they could be and he plays on their worst impulses. He's unapologetic in his cruelty.
 
Nee Lewman said:
I’ve never watched much of either but what I have seen seems similar, MSNBC plays more somberly but they spout just as much nonsense just from the left of center. I’m not gonna deep dive on either because I’m more interested in folks who don’t play that game. I do try to watch some stuff from both as I am consciously trying to catch things from all angles. None of the people on MSNBC come off as whackos unlike Fox though.

I’m also not trying to laser focus on all of their broadcasts. 24 hours is a lot of time to fill.

The network definitely markets and presents itself as the left’s answer to Fox and its current model is in itself a reaction to Fox News.
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MSNBC might is an alternative to Fox News and it is left of center overall but it’s also not the left equivalent regardless of how it’s presented.
 
mdmost said:
It doesn't shock me in the least that young men gravitate to Trump. He's everything they wish they could be and he plays on their worst impulses. He's unapologetic in his cruelty.
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I feel like if like there is a good poli-sci dissertation waiting to be written regarding how Trump and his MAGA movement rose to prominence by embracing the ethos of late 90s Pro Wrestling particularly Attitude-era WWF Heel stables, Degeneration-X and WCW’s NWO.

It’s almost the exact same appeal.
 
If MAGA is looking for a successor to Trump instead of looking in the world of politics they should instead look at former Pro-Wrestlers. If Paul Levesque decided to run for president in 2028 as basically just his Triple H persona he would probably be a formidable candidate.

We live in a real life Idiocracy.
 
Speaking of dumb shit. Newsweek publishing articles about forecasters who are using betting odds to predict Trump “landslide.” Forecasting based on betting odds seems as smart as stoking economic growth with tariffs.
 
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