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Chucktshoes said:
That spoiler tag: 🤣🤣🤣

I don’t agree with her judicial philosophy, but you won’t find me grave dancing when she buys it.
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I am so glad you laughed. I thought you might think I was piling on from this morning, I was not. I was just being silly.

But she is my hero. So thank you for not grave dancing - in 50 more years because she isn't going anywhere yet!
 
Teeeee said:
I am so glad you laughed. I thought you might think I was piling on from this morning, I was not. I was just being silly.

But she is my hero. So thank you for not grave dancing - in 50 more years because she isn't going anywhere yet!
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My discomfort with the rockstar adulation of any SCOTUS judge aside, I don’t get the cult of RBG. It seemed to spring whole cloth out of nowhere a few years ago. I just can’t figure it out.
 
Chucktshoes said:
My discomfort with the rockstar adulation of any SCOTUS judge aside, I don’t get the cult of RBG. It seemed to spring whole cloth out of nowhere a few years ago. I just can’t figure it out.
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I think it has do less with substantive judicial philosophy and more with the individual. People appreciate what she has accomplished as a whole and her impressive career. And she’s a spry octogenarian who both young women can and young men should look up to. She’s like a judicial Betty White in the sort of mythology that’s raised around her.
 
Chucktshoes said:
My discomfort with the rockstar adulation of any SCOTUS judge aside, I don’t get the cult of RBG. It seemed to spring whole cloth out of nowhere a few years ago. I just can’t figure it out.
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I went to law school. I had the amazing opportunity to take classes from RBG while studying abroad (20 years ago this summer). My adulation stems from that. Her husband, Marty, also taught a class. He was a brilliant tax attorney. Watching them together was something else. They really were in love.

She's a badass.
 
Teeeee said:
I went to law school. I had the amazing opportunity to take classes from RBG while studying abroad (20 years ago this summer). My adulation stems from that. Her husband, Marty, also taught a class. He was a brilliant tax attorney. Watching them together was something else. They really were in love.

She's a badass.
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And you’ve found your cult leader.

Awesome anecdote!
 
TheMythOfSisyphus said:
I think it has do less with substantive judicial philosophy and more with the individual. People appreciate what she has accomplished as a whole and her impressive career. And she’s a spry octogenarian who both young women can and young men should look up to. She’s like a judicial Betty White in the sort of mythology that’s raised around her.
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Judicial philosophy is something I do pay attention to so maybe that can provide sone insight on why the last line of your post makes me really uncomfortable. I am of the view that the kind of partisan rockstar cult of personality that has grown up around SCOTUS judges only serves to help delegitimize the court in eyes of the masses. Why a decision was handed down becomes less important than who handed it down. It destabilizes the whole conceit of stable and legitimate court. In a time where the faith in the other two branches is near zero, I don’t think we can afford to lose the public’s faith in the SCOTUS. (I think They have a similar idea. Look at the high number of unanimous decisions handed down by the Roberts Court. I don’t think their case selection is accidental.)
Teeeee said:
I went to law school. I had the amazing opportunity to take classes from RBG while studying abroad (20 years ago this summer). My adulation stems from that. Her husband, Marty, also taught a class. He was a brilliant tax attorney. Watching them together was something else. They really were in love.

She's a badass.
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That is much more understandable to me than the general cult of RBG. Of course my discomfort with the idea in general probably has everything to do with my puzzlement at this specific manifestation.
 
Chucktshoes said:
Judicial philosophy is something I do pay attention to so maybe that can provide sone insight on why the last line of your post makes me really uncomfortable. I am of the view that the kind of partisan rockstar cult of personality that has grown up around SCOTUS judges only serves to help delegitimize the court in eyes of the masses. Why a decision was handed down becomes less important than who handed it down. It destabilizes the whole conceit of stable and legitimate court. In a time where the faith in the other two branches is near zero, I don’t think we can afford to lose the public’s faith in the SCOTUS. (I think They have a similar idea. Look at the high number of unanimous decisions handed down by the Roberts Court. I don’t think their case selection is accidental.)

That is much more understandable to me than the general cult of RBG. Of course my discomfort with the idea in general probably has everything to do with my puzzlement at this specific manifestation.
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As much as I love and adore her and will give her any of my organs I can to keep her going, I do agree that the SCOTUS has lost its way. I love rbg because her legal philosophy mirrors mine. I can not tell you how many important cases I read that she had argued herself as attorney or written the opinions on. My favorite SCOTUS case (ultra nerd move here, having a favorite) is her VMI opinion. But it is absolutely a partisan branch now. And it should not be. I have no idea how to correct course. And it all makes me so nervous.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
Agree with both sentiments, but has it ever not been? Serious question. My concern is more with the nomination/confirmation process, where partisanship has caused some serious damage.

Edit: it's probably worth disclaiming that I see a difference in political partisanship where the court demonstrates some philosophical leanings, against the more specific partisanship of party loyalty above all else. The latter is clearly unacceptable, period.
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I am out of practice on my con law history so I am def not the authority. I do feel that it has not always been this partisan. I do feel that previously the law was applied as opposed to now when the party line is applied. I mean even Scalia was pretty darn consistent in applying the law, political affiliations be damned.
 
Teeeee said:
I am out of practice on my con law history so I am def not the authority. I do feel that it has not always been this partisan. I do feel that previously the law was applied as opposed to now when the party line is applied. I mean even Scalia was pretty darn consistent in applying the law, political affiliations be damned.
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I bet it wouldn’t surprise you that I admired Scalia’s work, would it? 🤣
 
Republican officials in multiple states are on the verge of canceling their 2020 presidential primary elections in a show of support for President Donald Trump, even as some GOP candidates plan to challenge him.
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By canceling the 2020 presidential primary elections, there will be no clear opposition on the ballet. The democrat vote will be diluted by more options ensuring Trumps victory. It also takes away the ability of GOP candidates challenging him which is actually happening this year.

Arizona's GOP Chairman said:

Arizona Republicans are fired up to re-elect President Trump to a second term and will continue to work together to keep America -- and Arizona -- great.
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www.cnn.com

Republicans move to nix primaries in show of support for Trump

Republican officials in multiple states are on the verge of canceling their 2020 presidential primary elections in a show of support for President Donald Trump, even as some GOP candidates plan to challenge him.
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If this doesn't scare you I don't know what would. The GOP is on the verge of a coup. The GOP is taking too much power and ensuring their rule. From denying President Obama his Supreme Court pick to changing voting laws to ensure they remain in power.
 
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