Political Discussion

[nolalady]

Yes , that are exactly the points why i linked this interview and that echoed many points you and @Joe Mac were making before. The only problem i have with what i see in many others that argue more for the pro-labor side is the overt dismissal of progressive politics. I don't agree that racism , misogynism and Homophobie can completely be reduced to class issues. So while the 50s had stronger unions etc. and a less rampant capitalism life was much harder for everyone Not being a white, straight male. There has to be a way to reconnect the economically solidaristic with the socially progressive on the left and not play one against the other.

Exactly. There is still a racial component here. A lot of it has to do with inherited wealth, which is why a lot of people like to reduce this to class, because it is about wealth. But it's about wealth that was never truly brought to fruition because some people were not allowed to attain and amass wealth (black and brown people) during a time when it was relatively easy to gain wealth. Now that we are here, where building wealth is becoming increasingly harder, it's even harder to get everyone to "even" because there should be a lot more black and brown people with generational wealth, but there isn't due to racism.

Nova had a reshowing of their documentary on Percy Julian, a brilliant black chemist. Just looking at the hoops this man had to jump through to get an education was amazingly eye opening. The system was definitely rigged against a poor, black boy from Alabama.

NOVA | Forgotten Genius | Season 34 | Episode 3 | PBS

The story of how African-American Percy Julian defied the odds to become a famous chemist.

www.pbs.org

 

[Joe Mac]

Yes , that are exactly the points why i linked this interview and that echoed many points you and @Joe Mac were making before. The only problem i have with what i see in many others that argue more for the pro-labor side is the overt dismissal of progressive politics. I don't agree that racism , misogynism and Homophobie can completely be reduced to class issues. So while the 50s had stronger unions etc. and a less rampant capitalism life was much harder for everyone Not being a white, straight male. There has to be a way to reconnect the economically solidaristic with the socially progressive on the left and not play one against the other.

Exactly. There is still a racial component here. A lot of it has to do with inherited wealth, which is why a lot of people like to reduce this to class, because it is about wealth. But it's about wealth that was never truly brought to fruition because some people were not allowed to attain and amass wealth (black and brown people) during a time when it was relatively easy to gain wealth. Now that we are here, where building wealth is becoming increasingly harder, it's even harder to get everyone to "even" because there should be a lot more black and brown people with generational wealth, but there isn't due to racism.

Nova had a reshowing of their documentary on Percy Julian, a brilliant black chemist. Just looking at the hoops this man had to jump through to get an education was amazingly eye opening. The system was definitely rigged against a poor, black boy from Alabama.

NOVA | Forgotten Genius | Season 34 | Episode 3 | PBS

The story of how African-American Percy Julian defied the odds to become a famous chemist.

www.pbs.org

I agree and disagree because a lot of it based upon access to opportunity being blocked by wealth and in particular inter generational wealth. The right likes to talk about meritocracy but aren’t so good at propitating it when it comes to the offspring of the wealthy. I think too often progressive liberals can get caught up in individualism and fail to focus on structural causes.

 

[Jan]

I think too often progressive liberals can get caught up in individualism and fail to focus on structural causes.

Too often progressive liberals are coming from financially privileged backgrounds, so pgay marriage Hurts less than higher taxes.

 

[Joe Mac]

Too often progressive liberals are coming from financially privileged backgrounds, so pgay marriage Hurts less than higher taxes.

Here is my revolutionary proposal. 100% inheritance tax. Now there is a meritocratic propect...

 

[Joe Mac]

Also I’m in favour of an absolute ban on private education. Thatd be a much more serious proposal than the first to be fair!

 

[Jan]

Here is my revolutionary proposal. 100% inheritance tax. Now there is a meritocratic propect...

Funny thing. I just planned to write the same thing about tgeses meritocratic claims. And even then you wouldn't nearly have equal starting positions.

 

[Max Sterling]

Very very interesting developments from the land down under. The Aussies are passing a law forcing google and Facebook to enter into negotiations with news corporations to agree payments for the use of their stories on feeds.

Both have thrown the toys out of the pram. Google are threatening to pull their search engine from Australia and Facebook are threatening to remove news from Australian users feeds! Lucky them!

Google threatens to shut down search in Australia if digital news code goes ahead

Google and Facebook are fighting legislation that would force them to enter into negotiations with news media companies for payment for content

www.theguardian.com

Disclaimer: I work for Google

I agree, we are too big and too influential and need some regulation. However, Australia wants to charge Google for including links to their websites, not just use of their stories in their news feeds. That's like charging the Phone book for putting your business's phone number in there. They already pay to use news stories from some countries in their news feeds, I believe France is one of them. If that were simply the issue, they'd probably do it.

It's weird, being at Google. We're not a right, or a government service, we're a privately produced and maintained product. We're free to use, mostly, supported by ads. But I'm considered an essential worker because our products are so ingrained in everyone's lives. If we shut down, the world shuts down, at least enough to where it would cause HUGE problems for a lot of people. On the one hand, thanks for keeping me in a job, everyone! On the other... Maybe consider finding alternatives to Google... No private company should have this much power over your lives.

 

[Joe Mac]

Disclaimer: I work for Google

I agree, we are too big and too influential and need some regulation. However, Australia wants to charge Google for including links to their websites, not just use of their stories in their news feeds. That's like charging the Phone book for putting your business's phone number in there. They already pay to use news stories from some countries in their news feeds, I believe France is one of them. If that were simply the issue, they'd probably do it.

It's weird, being at Google. We're not a right, or a government service, we're a privately produced and maintained product. We're free to use, mostly, supported by ads. But I'm considered an essential worker because our products are so ingrained in everyone's lives. If we shut down, the world shuts down, at least enough to where it would cause HUGE problems for a lot of people. On the one hand, thanks for keeping me in a job, everyone! On the other... Maybe consider finding alternatives to Google... No private company should have this much power over your lives.

Potato/Potato. It’s a negotiation with the news corporation for a fee. The objection is clearly the arbitration model if they can’t come to an agreement, Google’s not going to want to risk loosing its unfair bargaining position!

 

[Joe Mac]

Every time you think Facebook couldn’t be more shitty they the find new ways to demonstrate that there are no depth to it


Facebook moderators on the things they can't unsee
Facebook moderators on the things they can't unsee

 

[Dtknuckles]

Biden paused arms sales to Saudi Arabia. And the progressives see no difference between him and Trump?

 

[ayayrawn]

Biden paused arms sales to Saudi Arabia. And the progressives see no difference between him and Trump?

I wouldn't say I see no difference, but a few rungs up from the bottom rung isn't top of the ladder, let's be real.

 

[Dtknuckles]

I wouldn't say I see no difference, but a few rungs up from the bottom rung isn't top of the ladder, let's be real.

all the people on the intercept FB group have been going on and on about no difference since he won the primary.

 

[Dtknuckles]

For once Tucker has an intellectually honest guest.

 

[nolalady]

For once Tucker has an intellectually honest guest.

I really like almost all of what I read from Glen Greenwald. Here's some of his stuff: Glenn Greenwald

 

[gregathon]

For once Tucker has an intellectually honest guest.

Oh man Tucker, you've never heard anyone feel the need to explain where their billion dollars came from... do I have an economic theory for you!

 

[yukbon]

Not sure what you mean there. Do you mean 3 full-time jobs? As in, working 120 hours per week?

Obviously unfeasible in the long run for health reasons, but if we're talking strictly money then you'd make $43,500 (6000 hours worked). The median individual income in the U.S. is around $36,000.

most jobs that would be paying minimum wage do things to keep the positions from becoming full-time (in order to avoid having to pay benefits like healthcare). So picture 3 30-hour/week jobs, which comes to 33K pre-tax, with no medical or dental insurance or other benefits.

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

For once Tucker has an intellectually honest guest.

Glen Greenwald is the worst. I can’t stand that guy. No one on the Left is ideologically pure enough for him. I actually thought he was an important voice under Obama but now he has devolved to the point that he would rather cozy up with the Authoritarian Right to attack the middle. The man is over the bend. He would rather make excuses for Russia and Trump than work with people the that agree with a large chunk of the same issues he supposedly champions.

and yeah while I agree with much of what he has said here, he attacks the idea of regulating the internet/social media, which definitely needs to happen and never discusses the way you fix the issue with the stock market is heavy government regulation something the the former bow tie wearing TV Dinner Heir Host probably doesn’t agree with.

Also, yuckin’ it up with a White supremacist is not the best way to get your message out there.

 

[gaporter]

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

Oh man Tucker, you've never heard anyone feel the need to explain where their billion dollars came from... do I have an economic theory for you!

Right! You think the Swanson TV Dinner Heir really cares how rich people got their money. The fucker is a faux populist/ legitimate white supremacist.

 

[Dtknuckles]

Glen Greenwald is the worst. I can’t stand that guy. No one on the Left is ideologically pure enough for him. I actually thought he was an important voice under Obama but now he has devolved to the point that he would rather cozy up with the Authoritarian Right to attack the middle. The man is over the bend. He would rather make excuses for Russia and Trump than work with people the that agree with a large chunk of the same issues he supposedly champions.

and yeah while I agree with much of what he has said here, he attacks the idea of regulating the internet/social media, which definitely needs to happen and never discusses the way you fix the issue with the stock market is heavy government regulation something the the former bow tie wearing TV Dinner Heir Host probably doesn’t agree with.

Also, yuckin’ it up with a White supremacist is not the best way to get your message out there.

I get it and it part of the problem with people who don’t accept any compromise. He is very argumentative with everyone. Regulation should have been brought up, but he got a lot in for such a small time. People on the right need to hear these arguments. The right are too comfortable with the oligarchy.