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RenegadeMonster said:
We were having a discussion about this at work yesterday. A few of us were 15 minutes to a zoom call first thing in the morning and were discussing this topic.

Basically to summarize, we fully expect corporate governess over America and Europe to develop in this century. A full financial collapse as more than half of Americas and Europe's population is put into poverty. Then China will step in and buy countries. Whether it's the actual territories themselves or the majority of private access and business. And we exit the 21st century with China being the world super power that the United States once was. And the world will be a darker place is censorship and surveillance as well as more authoritarian goverments.
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I also expect large rental markets where people rent access to things like music (Spotify) and entertainment (streaming platforms) but given that you can put anything on credit with Affirm, I can see people paying monthly fees for most things they "own" and having it be as hellacious as any sort of rent to own contract is, but because there is wide spread poverty, these contracts get even more predatory so you never get out from under them. Payday loans are structured so that the person never gets out of debt and I see this happening with a large portion of our population right now. I only expect it to extend and grow in the future.

I don't think corporations want to be in the business of governing so they will set up a shell government, but if you want to look at where we are headed as a nation, look at South America, where there's a ton of corruption, two distinct economies and "worlds" where people live, and a government that is set up in order to further corporate interests in that country. The storming of the capital building looked exactly like the 2019 storming of the capital in Venezuela.
 
I have a question and maybe I'm a little dense, but is it fair or even realistic to call any former President a "Private Citizen"? There is nothing similar between me as a private citizen and any former President, let alone Trump.

45 has tested the limits of every rule, guide and tradition, yet he hides behind them when it suits him.
 
nolalady said:
I also expect large rental markets where people rent access to things like music (Spotify) and entertainment (streaming platforms) but given that you can put anything on credit with Affirm, I can see people paying monthly fees for most things they "own" and having it be as hellacious as any sort of rent to own contract is, but because there is wide spread poverty, these contracts get even more predatory so you never get out from under them. Payday loans are structured so that the person never gets out of debt and I see this happening with a large portion of our population right now. I only expect it to extend and grow in the future.

I don't think corporations want to be in the business of governing so they will set up a shell government, but if you want to look at where we are headed as a nation, look at South America, where there's a ton of corruption, two distinct economies and "worlds" where people live, and a government that is set up in order to further corporate interests in that country. The storming of the capital building looked exactly like the 2019 storming of the capital in Venezuela.
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I‘ve found affirm to be a useful tool. Its transparent and sets reasonable limits. Traditional credit cards are dangerous with the amount of freedom they offer.
 
Dtknuckles said:
It’s pretty obvious that Trump won’t be convicted in the Impeachment because it’s entirely a political act. I think he’s going to have legal fallout in the states and possibly federal with his campaign grifting.
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silver lining is that the curtains will be raised on all the shit that he did and Senate GOPs will have their name tied to not impeach when they're campaigning for their upcoming elections. That's the political play for democrats. I hate that it's politics, but it's politics.
 
I'm watching Peacocks coverage of the impeachment trial. One interesting poll result they just mentioned seems a bit odd to me.

66 percent of Trump's supporters say the support Trump over the Republican party.

This has lead some political analysts to believe that Trumpismn is essentially its own party.

The Republican senators know this and have to walk a fine line. They can't alienate Trump supporters if they want to continue to see support from Trump supporters. It's fractured the Republican party and driving decisions.

Another thing they have been talking about is many Republicans, whether voters or officials are jaded. Trumps behavior on January 6th was nothing new. They are tired of it and don't care / think it's a big deal.

One thing that stuck out to me is a reporter who reported that Republican senators were disinterested and bored while the house impeachment leaders presented the video of the events of January 6th yesterday. They were not paying attention. Some were doodling, others yawning.
 
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This is a conversation I hate having with people who want to tell you how to manage your money.

They are "always right" and don't listen to any counter arguments. To them you are just placing blame everywhere but on your own personal reasonability to manage your finances. You just are giving them excuses versed having an intellectual conversation about the issue.

Land lords are not being greedy, but rather this is all about supply and demand. Rent to high? You are living above your means and should consider getting a roommate, moving to a lower rent area or downsizing your apartment to be financially responsible.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
I'm watching Peacocks coverage of the impeachment trial. One interesting poll result they just mentioned seems a bit odd to me.

66 percent of Trump's supporters say the support Trump over the Republican party.

This has lead some political analysts to believe that Trumpismn is essentially its own party.

The Republican senators know this and have to walk a fine line. They can't alienate Trump supporters if they want to continue to see support from Trump supporters. It's fractured the Republican party and driving decisions.

Another thing they have been talking about is many Republicans, whether voters or officials are jaded. Trumps behavior on January 6th was nothing new. They are tired of it and don't care / think it's a big deal.

One thing that stuck out to me is a reporter who reported that Republican senators were disinterested and bored while the house impeachment leaders presented the video of the events of January 6th yesterday. They were not paying attention. Some were doodling, others yawning.
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This is how I think the two party system dies (or at least drags itself along half dead to everyone's detriment).

Republicans are split among those who are loyal to Trump, and those more traditionally conservative. Established dems become more conservative on their own every day, while many folks left of center jave almost no representation in government at all. I feel like within the next decade our two parties will be effectively unrecognizable as we know them.
 
some positive bits- this in regards to defunding and reforming police budgets.

some small success in Austin, Texas, where some of the most egregious examples of brutality in response to the summer '20 protests occurred.
  • the City of Austin has voted approval to purchase 4 hotels to serve as temporary or permanent housing for those experiencing homelessness. at least $6.5 million of this came from cuts made to the police department budget.
  • dispatchers will now ask, "Austin 911, do you need police, fire, EMS, or mental health services?"
  • the City of Austin has created a new Forensic Science Department, independent of APD control and using a budget "decoupled" from the police. (the APD's crime lab has been shut down due since 2016 due to incompetence and misconduct, when thousands of rape kits sat untested.)
  • $300k reallocated to Austin's new Civil Rights Office.
not perfect, but a start. keep speaking up and supporting organizations doing the work in your own communities.
 
ayayrawn said:
This is how I think the two party system dies (or at least drags itself along half dead to everyone's detriment).

Republicans are split among those who are loyal to Trump, and those more traditionally conservative. Established dems become more conservative on their own every day, while many folks left of center have almost no representation in government at all. I feel like within the next decade our two parties will be effectively unrecognizable as we know them.
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the views of the few don't represent the views of the many. Oligarchy here we come are.

Democrats haven't really represented the majority views of their supporters for a while. Same thing is now happening with GOP supporters. Up until this election the GOP aligned with most of it's base and other voters. Now the base and majority are batshit insane and they're alienating supporters.
 
One of our favorite dirtbags Rand Paul was doodling what appeared to be a drawing of the capital during the democrats opening arguments this afternoon. He appeared uninterested and wasn't really paying attention to the proceedings.
 
Now that we are having the trial, Trumps defense can't be that the trial is unconstitutional as the primary focus.

What do we think his defense team will try to come up with?
A lot of what I have heard so far leads me to believe they are going to place most of their defense on the First Amendment. That Trump was within his rights to say what he did because of freedom of speech.

I also expect they will continue to say that not a single rioter has been charged with conspiring with trump. How can Trump orchestrate a insurrection if it didn't conspire with anyone.

Lastly, I think they will say what he said was taken out of context. He never said to storm the capital. And he said "peacefully" once.
 
bfly said:
some positive bits- this in regards to defunding and reforming police budgets.

some small success in Austin, Texas, where some of the most egregious examples of brutality in response to the summer '20 protests occurred.
  • the City of Austin has voted approval to purchase 4 hotels to serve as temporary or permanent housing for those experiencing homelessness. at least $6.5 million of this came from cuts made to the police department budget.
  • dispatchers will now ask, "Austin 911, do you need police, fire, EMS, or mental health services?"
  • the City of Austin has created a new Forensic Science Department, independent of APD control and using a budget "decoupled" from the police. (the APD's crime lab has been shut down due since 2016 due to incompetence and misconduct, when thousands of rape kits sat untested.)
  • $300k reallocated to Austin's new Civil Rights Office.
not perfect, but a start. keep speaking up and supporting organizations doing the work in your own communities.
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I read an article a couple days ago about how more women, especially older women are a great addition to the force because they tend to diffuse situations much better than most cops (younger and male). All I could think was they are basically recommending that social workers be part of police action, which I totally agree with.
 
nolalady said:
I read an article a couple days ago about how more women, especially older women are a great addition to the force because they tend to diffuse situations much better than most cops (younger and male). All I could think was they are basically recommending that social workers be part of police action, which I totally agree with.
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We need more grannies on the force!
 
I was just reading this and it struck me how odd the idea of playing the national anthem before domestic club sporting events is. It’s just not something that would be done in Europe. I kinda get it, but equally hate because patriotism is a cancer, before international events but club? Bananas.

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Dallas Mavericks told by NBA they must play national anthem before games

Mike Bass, NBA chief communications officer: With NBA teams now in the process of welcoming fans back into their arenas, all teams will play the national anthem in keeping with longstanding league policy.
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