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RenegadeMonster said:
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Georgia says an 'unborn child' can be claimed as a dependent on state taxes | CNN Politics

Georgians can now claim an "unborn child" as a dependent on their state taxes, the state's Department of Revenue announced this week.
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Interesting. This one kind of surprises me.
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Much like the carpool lane thing this sets some weird precedents. What if you they lose the baby, are you now being audited? What proof do you need to provide to the government that you are indeed pregnant?

The worse one being exactly what they want, more poor people having more poor babies to provide workers and voters for their institutions.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
www.cnn.com

Georgia says an 'unborn child' can be claimed as a dependent on state taxes | CNN Politics

Georgians can now claim an "unborn child" as a dependent on their state taxes, the state's Department of Revenue announced this week.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

Interesting. This one kind of surprises me.
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It doesn’t me. If an unborn child is to be considered legally a person, and the purpose of a child tax credit deduction is to encourage/support the parent being able to provide for children, it is natural for that credit to extend to the unborn.

You’ll see this applied in various ways across the country. I’m encouraged to see some level of consistency on the subject from these lawmakers.
 
User190425 said:
It doesn’t me. If an unborn child is to be considered legally a person, and the purpose of a child tax credit deduction is to encourage/support the parent being able to provide for children, it is natural for that credit to extend to the unborn.

You’ll see this applied in various ways across the country. I’m encouraged to see some level of consistency on the subject from these lawmakers.
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I guess it’s time to lower the drinking age to -9 months.
 
Dtknuckles said:
I guess it’s time to lower the drinking age to -9 months.
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You jest, but I would expect there to be some level of debate on some subjects around that. I do expect it to stay at birth for simplicity of practicality’s sake.

Of course I would like to see a level of consistency regarding the age in which someone is declared an adult in general. If you can enter legal contracts or the military of your own volition, you should be able to smoke or drink if you choose to as well.
 
User190425 said:
You jest, but I would expect there to be some level of debate on some subjects around that. I do expect it to stay at birth for simplicity of practicality’s sake.

Of course I would like to see a level of consistency regarding the age in which someone is declared an adult in general. If you can enter legal contracts or the military of your own volition, you should be able to smoke or drink if you choose to as well.
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The laws are incredibly inconsistent when it come to the conditions a person is granted rights. Which I don’t have a problem with at all. Rights should be granted on the individual’s ability to handle them. By that I don’t mean a specific individual more like we do with adulthood rights. Society notices that people under 18 generally don’t have the full ability to understand the world so we put someone in charge who does (parents).

Now when I think about this when it comes to the right to life. What qualities does an embryo have that makes it necessary to have the right to life? It’s human? We carve out all sorts of ethical exceptions to kill humans.
 
Dtknuckles said:
The laws are incredibly inconsistent when it come to the conditions a person is granted rights. Which I don’t have a problem with at all. Rights should be granted on the individual’s ability to handle them. By that I don’t mean a specific individual more like we do with adulthood rights. Society notices that people under 18 generally don’t have the full ability to understand the world so we put someone in charge who does (parents).

Now when I think about this when it comes to the right to life. What qualities does an embryo have that makes it necessary to have the right to life? It’s human? We carve out all sorts of ethical exceptions to kill humans.
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Do we charge the living twin of "vanishing twin syndrome" with murder?
 
Dtknuckles said:
The laws are incredibly inconsistent when it come to the conditions a person is granted rights. Which I don’t have a problem with at all. Rights should be granted on the individual’s ability to handle them. By that I don’t mean a specific individual more like we do with adulthood rights. Society notices that people under 18 generally don’t have the full ability to understand the world so we put someone in charge who does (parents).

Now when I think about this when it comes to the right to life. What qualities does an embryo have that makes it necessary to have the right to life? It’s human? We carve out all sorts of ethical exceptions to kill humans.
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My views on the subject are pretty simple. Life begins at conception. The taking of a human life that does not be reasonably be believed to pose an immediate mortal danger to the life of another human is murder. Whether it be an act of intentional criminal violence, the state taking the life of someone on death row, or an elective abortion not medically necessary to preserve the life of the mother, they all exist on the same moral plane. They are all murders, full stop.
 
User190425 said:
My views on the subject are pretty simple. Life begins at conception. The taking of a human life that does not be reasonably be believed to pose an immediate mortal danger to the life of another human is murder. Whether it be an act of intentional criminal violence, the state taking the life of someone on death row, or an elective abortion not medically necessary to preserve the life of the mother, they all exist on the same moral plane. They are all murders, full stop.
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And that's your opinion. Just don't try to legislate it and we are good.
 
User190425 said:
My views on the subject are pretty simple. Life begins at conception. The taking of a human life that does not be reasonably be believed to pose an immediate mortal danger to the life of another human is murder. Whether it be an act of intentional criminal violence, the state taking the life of someone on death row, or an elective abortion not medically necessary to preserve the life of the mother, they all exist on the same moral plane. They are all murders, full stop.
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So... forced birth. Got it.
 
User190425 said:
Do you not believe that the taking of the life of another human being is bad?
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Yes, but I also I believe there are exceptions. For me exceptions can be carved out usually around the balance of positive vs negative implications to the functioning of society.
 
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