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Holy shit, search the name Justin Mohn.

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In the video, Justin Mohn said his father had worked for the federal government for over 20 years and called him “a traitor.” He wore a pair of bloodstained gloves and showed a bloodied plastic bag that appeared to contain his father’s head. He also railed against immigration, the LGBT community, the Black Lives Matter movement and the antifa movement. He called for an end of the federal government and said America was being run by a network of traitors.
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djdavedk said:
Holy shit, search the name Justin Mohn.

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I saw this on twitter early this am. The first articles only stated it happened in Bucks County so I dug deeper (my daughter is in Doylestown)

This is horrifying and sick. Terrifying that people can become so brainwashed that they resort to actions like this.

Apparently the video was up for hours, and I'm sure it's still online on twitter and other places. When the war in Gaza began, I changed my twitter settings to prevent videos from autoplaying. There are some things that once seen will never be unseen.
 
threesunrises said:
I saw this on twitter early this am. The first articles only stated it happened in Bucks County so I dug deeper (my daughter is in Doylestown)

This is horrifying and sick. Terrifying that people can become so brainwashed that they resort to actions like this.

Apparently the video was up for hours, and I'm sure it's still online on twitter and other places. When the war in Gaza began, I changed my twitter settings to prevent videos from autoplaying. There are some things that once seen will never be unseen.
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So yea the media diet of this person was a problem, but it’s not 100% of the story of how this person ended up at this point.
 
DownIsTheNewUp said:
I always thought if LA (lived there 15 years after college minus the height of the recession) got too expensive, I would move back to Denver which is where I grew up.

In 2012, Blackstone started buying up all the rental properties in the city. Between 2016 and 2021, rent in the city doubled and suddenly Blackstone owned 2/3's of the available units in LA. Denver, meanwhile, had also gone haywire. My parents house, purchased in 1990 for 120k and worth 320k in 2012 is now close to a million dollars. Studios in Denver often go for 2k, 1 bedrooms certainly do. For contrast, a friend and I were splitting a tiny 2 bedroom in my favorite part of Denver for $750 in 2011.

Seeing all of this, and knowing I would be fucked if I lost my rent controlled apartment in LA, I pro-actively moved to Chicago. Part of Denver and LA's problems are that they are cities that actively fight verticality. People want their views and prefer sprawl to density. The zoning laws are batshit and Nimby's run everything. Chicago doesn't have that problem. It is one of the most stable housing markets in the US (the other I believe is Philly) specifically because it's built vertically and because the weather and crime play gatekeeper. 3% increases or decreases in property value year over year is the historic norm.

Moved here in January 2022 and got a sweet deal on a 1940's 1 bedroom, 850 square foot apartment 3 miles west of Wrigley. $1300 my first year seemed like a steal. And I know all these people who bought 2 bedroom, 1200 ft condos for 200-225k between 2018-2020. Only problem? Since I moved here those prices have sky rocketed. My theory, considering how many of my female friends here are from the south, is that people are suddenly pouring in from red states. Add that to building having slowed to a crawl due to high interest rates and a state that has obscene property taxes and you have a situation where people are clinging to their cheap mortgages and the inventory has become non-existent.

Either way, I'm now looking at 300k for more run down versions of the same type of units my friends bought for 2/3's the price. And rent is also spiraling.

That's where I'm hoping that getting laid off winds up a blessing in disguise. My company was paying me $65k for a job that typically earns 80-90k. And in order to take on a $2100 mortgage (which is what it's gonna take with current prices and interest rates), I need to be making 85k at minimum. And considering my student loans, it should really probably be closer to 100k. Cause 10% of my income until I die will be going to student loans.

All of the above is fucking insane. I have friends who were raised in two kid households in the nicer burbs of Colorado by parents who made a combined 100k. They were house poor, but the house was fucking nice and they were in a great school district. My parents probably made a combined $150k until my mom went back to school after which is was probably 160k (with my mom's income going up and my dad's down due to his working in high end stereo equipment and the price reductions in that realm). They raised two kids and were both retired by 65. Or course, my dad also went to Stanford for 4k a year in the late 60's which probably helped.

The saving grace for millennials is that most of us will be seeing some type of inheritance even if it's coming through a house. But those who don't are fucked.
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There are some crazy stats on this. So first, most millennials that have homes either had inheritance or help from their parents. Millennials are hoping for inheritance but due to skyrocketing medical expenses, they could be left with very little from their parents’ estate given that boomers have a higher life expectancy than their children. Roughly 60% of all lifetime medical costs happens after a person is over 65, and this stat is getting worse as more people age into retirement and hit an already strained health care system.
 
djdavedk said:
Welp... he's a poster boy for MAGA brain.

www.wfmz.com

Details emerge about background of man accused of killing, beheading father in Bucks

More and more information has been coming out about Justin Mohn, who lived with his parents in a suburban street lined with single family homes northeast of Philly.
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So a person who would have benefited from a free or subsidized college education and affordable housing initiative, which are socialist ideas, turns to MAGA and the far right…

It hurts my brain to imagine the mental gymnastics going on that makes them say, that the answer to all of our social ills should be for corporations to start hiring and paying people better, for landlords to not charge so much, and think that this will happen with a totally uninhibited capitalist system.
 
nolalady said:
So a person who would have benefited from a free or subsidized college education and affordable housing initiative, which are socialist ideas, turns to MAGA and the far right…

It hurts my brain to imagine the mental gymnastics going on that makes them say, that the answer to all of our social ills should be for corporations to start hiring and paying people better, for landlords to not charge so much, and think that this will happen with a totally uninhibited capitalist system.
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It makes no sense when you approach these issues with logic and reason.

When people’s fears are preyed upon they react out of emotion and in the moment there decisions often defy logic.

The right wing machines constant peddling of outrage and FUD keeps people in a constant state of fear. That type of stress over long periods of time will break many people.

Also, the anti-intellectual bias and religious fundamentalism of the right discourages critical thinking and makes it easier to manipulate and control people. Whenever, someone with an elite education tells you that you don’t need to go to college or shouldn’t believe experts. Be very suspicious.
 
nolalady said:
So a person who would have benefited from a free or subsidized college education and affordable housing initiative, which are socialist ideas, turns to MAGA and the far right…

It hurts my brain to imagine the mental gymnastics going on that makes them say, that the answer to all of our social ills should be for corporations to start hiring and paying people better, for landlords to not charge so much, and think that this will happen with a totally uninhibited capitalist system.
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It’s the usual cocktail of desperation and lies. People’s standard of living is much worse than their parents for the first time in over 100 years, if they are working in traditional blue collar roles political operators of all hues have ignored them for 40 years and so they cling to the lies of unscrupulous “rebel operators” rather than the ignorance and indifference of traditional moderate politics.

Corporations have bought our countries and people just don’t matter anymore. The world is fucked.
 
I think also we encourage zero-sum thinking in America and its politics; there's a narrative that if we pooled all resources together and distributed evenly, we'd all come away with even less than what we get now. Mix up the concept of the American Dream with a fixation on personal responsibility and the result is people attributing their personal struggle to systemic failure and others' struggles to personal failure. Then a ruling class of oligarchs perpetuate those ideas ("I earned my keep fairly, so don't tax it") and leverage the American Dream so the lower class thinks they're just one lucky day away from being so rich.
 
Bull Shannon said:
I think also we encourage zero-sum thinking in America and its politics; there's a narrative that if we pooled all resources together and distributed evenly, we'd all come away with even less than what we get now. Mix up the concept of the American Dream with a fixation on personal responsibility and the result is people attributing their personal struggle to systemic failure and others' struggles to personal failure. Then a ruling class of oligarchs perpetuate those ideas ("I earned my keep fairly, so don't tax it") and leverage the American Dream so the lower class thinks they're just one lucky day away from being so rich.
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From its very inception the American dream was only for a minority of rich white men from the ruling classes whilst being a utopian fairy story to quell unrest in the population at large. America is a religion and that is its founding lie.
 
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RenegadeMonster said:
I tried and experience and shared this video with my father and got the result I expected.

My father completely disregarded the message here. Called the guy a commie and that video is nothing but propaganda.

So how do you get through to people like my father. I fear there is no way other than fear.
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I'll defer to Michael Shannon on this one:
F*ck ’em. You’re an orphan now. Don’t go home. Don’t go home for Thanksgiving or Christmas. Don’t talk to them at all. Silence speaks volumes.
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Bull Shannon said:
I think also we encourage zero-sum thinking in America and its politics; there's a narrative that if we pooled all resources together and distributed evenly, we'd all come away with even less than what we get now. Mix up the concept of the American Dream with a fixation on personal responsibility and the result is people attributing their personal struggle to systemic failure and others' struggles to personal failure. Then a ruling class of oligarchs perpetuate those ideas ("I earned my keep fairly, so don't tax it") and leverage the American Dream so the lower class thinks they're just one lucky day away from being so rich.
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No one “earns” a billion dollars. Exploitation is the only way to make this sort of money.
RenegadeMonster said:
I tried and experience and shared this video with my father and got the result I expected.

My father completely disregarded the message here. Called the guy a commie and that video is nothing but propaganda.

So how do you get through to people like my father. I fear there is no way other than fear.
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You can’t, hun. He believes so many wacky things that he can’t really tell what reality is.
 
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