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Makes me wonder what a breaking point for a Trump voter is. We've all likely seen the people that say they'd vote for him even if convicted of several crimes, even if he killed someone on the White House lawn, etc. But losing a ton of your own hard-earned money? That would seemingly hit close to home. What's the pivot? "I'll gladly lose all my money for him because I know he'll take care of us once elected."
 
ranbalam said:
Makes me wonder what a breaking point for a Trump voter is. We've all likely seen the people that say they'd vote for him even if convicted of several crimes, even if he killed someone on the White House lawn, etc. But losing a ton of your own hard-earned money? That would seemingly hit close to home. What's the pivot? "I'll gladly lose all my money for him because I know he'll take care of us once elected."
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I had these thoughts too, but I was reading some comments from some of his supporters who invested in it and they are brainwashed. Some were saying that they trust he has a plan and he'll get it back on track. Others said it doesn't matter because it shows him their support. It's insanity.
 
ranbalam said:
Makes me wonder what a breaking point for a Trump voter is. We've all likely seen the people that say they'd vote for him even if convicted of several crimes, even if he killed someone on the White House lawn, etc. But losing a ton of your own hard-earned money? That would seemingly hit close to home. What's the pivot? "I'll gladly lose all my money for him because I know he'll take care of us once elected."
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Hemotep said:
I had these thoughts too, but I was reading some comments from some of his supporters who invested in it and they are brainwashed. Some were saying that they trust he has a plan and he'll get it back on track. Others said it doesn't matter because it shows him their support. It's insanity.
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imo, based on the few conversations I've had which loop in Trump voters (past or present), Jan 6 did alienate quite a few people. From what I can tell, those who are sticking around are mainly in the camp of aggrieved voters who want to stick a monkey wrench in the works, whether they think Trump represents their interests or simply represents a disrupting force.

This brings me to a thought I've been having recently, which is: is Trump's lead as big as it seems? Is his base as large as they're reported to be? I'm seeing stories of misinformation being funneled to Americans which imply Trump is doing a lot better than he actually is.

What really makes my ears prick up is a poll from last weekend, in which Trump's lead is shown to be smaller than before. While that was framed as a small step forward for Biden, the underlying numbers make me wonder: the pollsters reveal they made something like 100,000 phone calls, and the poll results are based on the ~2,000 people who actually picked up the phone and answered questions.

Think about that percentage. Now think about the demographic you imagine would pick up a call from an unrecognized number and gladly sit on the line and share their political opinions. It certainly paints a portrait of a certain type of person and perspective.
 
Hemotep said:
I lived in Tennessee and I'm glad I got out when I did. It's gotten so much crueller and extreme in the last couple years with their nut job governor.
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The Republicans in the TN General Assembly are human garbage, at least the charter school 2.5 billion dollar handout seems to be on life support. Our governor is also basically trump light, he really sucks.
 
Bull Shannon said:
imo, based on the few conversations I've had which loop in Trump voters (past or present), Jan 6 did alienate quite a few people. From what I can tell, those who are sticking around are mainly in the camp of aggrieved voters who want to stick a monkey wrench in the works, whether they think Trump represents their interests or simply represents a disrupting force.

This brings me to a thought I've been having recently, which is: is Trump's lead as big as it seems? Is his base as large as they're reported to be? I'm seeing stories of misinformation being funneled to Americans which imply Trump is doing a lot better than he actually is.

What really makes my ears prick up is a poll from last weekend, in which Trump's lead is shown to be smaller than before. While that was framed as a small step forward for Biden, the underlying numbers make me wonder: the pollsters reveal they made something like 100,000 phone calls, and the poll results are based on the ~2,000 people who actually picked up the phone and answered questions.

Think about that percentage. Now think about the demographic you imagine would pick up a call from an unrecognized number and gladly sit on the line and share their political opinions. It certainly paints a portrait of a certain type of person and perspective.
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Polling data is definitely suspect. Especially, if your primary pool of respondents is people answering the phone.

I’m not one to bash to blame and bash media for all of our problems, but there is an incentive for mainstream media to keep people with a sense of doom and gloom to attract attention. Constantly focusing on the extremist ideologies to scare people. This all maybe backfiring as people tend to be watching less cable news and sites like Facebook are making an editorial decision to deemphasize news on their sites.

My hope is that most people are sane, see what’s going on, and vote in enough numbers to stop the fanatics from taking over.
 
ranbalam said:
This is a great observation; a vocal minority, which is what I'm hoping we're seeing/hearing.
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It’s still going to be way closer than it should be but Trump is gonna lose worse than he did 4 years ago. Demographically the country continues to get more diverse/less white. Also, it might sound morbid but if you look at the numbers, areas that voted for Trump were more deeply impacted by Covid deaths than Biden areas (they don’t call it a death cult for nothing). The biggest difference though, is the sheer number of people post-January 6th that find Trump to be anti-democratic. People that hate Biden hate him in the same traditional way that a conservative hates a Democrat but they understand he works within the US Democratic system of governance. You can’t say the same thing about Trump and even voters who casually follow politics know that his second term would be dangerous.
 
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I don’t know man, in the South, I feel like an outsider and with the way some of the folks who talk about politics in the open talk about it here, I tend to just not discuss it outside of my social groups and never with my wife’s family. I think there are a lot more people who would rather see it burn down than to vote for Biden. I’m just unsure if there are enough to swing it. Here it very much seems like a forgone conclusion that Trump will be elected. And this is coming from someone in the most liberal part of the state.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
This was the story I read that backs up your statement.
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This felt like it belonged in the Onion. Reading through the “logic” people were using for investing in DJT, I thought “I’m sure they’ll find a way to blame the “woke” liberal media” and sure as 💩they do. Trump could put these people in their deathbeds and they still will support him. My ability to be sympathetic is waning as I see more and more people make life altering decisions based on the lies of a mentally unstable individual.
 
Lee Newman said:
I don’t know man, in the South, I feel like an outsider and with the way some of the folks who talk about politics in the open talk about it here, I tend to just not discuss it outside of my social groups and never with my wife’s family. I think there are a lot more people who would rather see it burn down than to vote for Biden. I’m just unsure if there are enough to swing it. Here it very much seems like a forgone conclusion that Trump will be elected. And this is coming from someone in the most liberal part of the state.
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I imagine being liberal in states like NC, FL, and Texas where, prior to 2020 where many thought they could flip their states blue, only to again vote for Trump; would probably give me very little hope. Though I do think the North Carolina GOP nominated a complete fool for Governor, so I bet that drives up an unenthusiastic electorate to vote against him (and presumably also against Trump) I don’t imagine a ton of split tickets this year especially with the status of abortion being on the ticket.

I also imagine there are a lot of people that probably feel more like you than you’d suspect but unlike the obnoxious MAGA people, they keep those beliefs to themselves because they are tired and don’t wanna deal with all the bullshit that goes into sharing your political viewpoint with whack jobs.
 
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Bull Shannon said:
imo, based on the few conversations I've had which loop in Trump voters (past or present), Jan 6 did alienate quite a few people. From what I can tell, those who are sticking around are mainly in the camp of aggrieved voters who want to stick a monkey wrench in the works, whether they think Trump represents their interests or simply represents a disrupting force.

This brings me to a thought I've been having recently, which is: is Trump's lead as big as it seems? Is his base as large as they're reported to be? I'm seeing stories of misinformation being funneled to Americans which imply Trump is doing a lot better than he actually is.

What really makes my ears prick up is a poll from last weekend, in which Trump's lead is shown to be smaller than before. While that was framed as a small step forward for Biden, the underlying numbers make me wonder: the pollsters reveal they made something like 100,000 phone calls, and the poll results are based on the ~2,000 people who actually picked up the phone and answered questions.

Think about that percentage. Now think about the demographic you imagine would pick up a call from an unrecognized number and gladly sit on the line and share their political opinions. It certainly paints a portrait of a certain type of person and perspective.
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Polling data is definitely suspect. Especially, if your primary pool of respondents is people answering the phone.

I’m not one to bash to blame and bash media for all of our problems, but there is an incentive for mainstream media to keep people with a sense of doom and gloom to attract attention. This all maybe backfiring as people tend to be watching less cable news.

This guys analysis on issues is usually on point.

 
Bull Shannon said:
Think about that percentage. Now think about the demographic you imagine would pick up a call from an unrecognized number and gladly sit on the line and share their political opinions. It certainly paints a portrait of a certain type of person and perspective.
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If I'm reading this correctly, your assertion is that folks on the right are more likely to spend their time sharing their political opinions to strangers on the phone?

I don't know, I've heard a lot of liberals bloviate ad nauseum too. I could imagine them bending a pollsters ear.

Full disclosure, I have no data whatsoever and don't know what data would exist one way or the other, but conservatives (especially those in support of Trump) tend to be distrustful of the media. Although pollsters are not the media, I don't know if Trump supporters would make that distinction.
 
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A recent story in MA that has republicans all fired up is that a city tried to prevent ICE from deporting an "Illegal Alien" recently. They did everything possible to prevent / block the deportation. Of course the feds trumped state / city authorities and pretty much told them to fuck off or be arrested.

Many people that I know who are republicans are angry that the city tried to interfere. They want the criminals off their streets and don't feel safe. And are bitching about their tax dollars going to fund the illegals.

What they never consider is that this is just a normal person. Not a criminal. Has never been in trouble with the law, was working and driving legally in MA as MA allows this for undocumented immigrants. And that this person has been here since he was a child, and now has a family of his own that he is being separated from.

This is not someone who can be blamed for the streets being unsafe, and this person has never gotten a dollar of government aid. He has had to work and earn his way.
 
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