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Sparkle Baby Diaper Lava said:
If I'm reading this correctly, your assertion is that folks on the right are more likely to spend their time sharing their political opinions to strangers on the phone?

I don't know, I've heard a lot of liberals bloviate ad nauseum too. I could imagine them bending a pollsters ear.

Full disclosure, I have no data whatsoever and don't know what data would exist one way or the other, but conservatives (especially those in support of Trump) tend to be distrustful of the media. Although pollsters are not the media, I don't know if Trump supporters would make that distinction.
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Sorta! Based on the tight margins in the results, the kinda folks who would respond are pretty split, politically speaking. But based on the energy/grievance of trump’s base, that I imagine there are fewer people who “will vote for Trump, I guess” than “will vote for Biden, I guess;” I’d imagine the Trump contingent is overrepresented in that ~1/2 of 2% of those contacted.

…and his base consists of the sort of sap who would pick up a phone call from an unidentified number.
 
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Sparkle Baby Diaper Lava said:
If I'm reading this correctly, your assertion is that folks on the right are more likely to spend their time sharing their political opinions to strangers on the phone?

I don't know, I've heard a lot of liberals bloviate ad nauseum too. I could imagine them bending a pollsters ear.

Full disclosure, I have no data whatsoever and don't know what data would exist one way or the other, but conservatives (especially those in support of Trump) tend to be distrustful of the media. Although pollsters are not the media, I don't know if Trump supporters would make that distinction.
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I don’t think it’s necessarily people ‘on the right’. I think it’s more people of a certain age that still have land lines and that demographic tends to skew more Republican.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
A recent story in MA that has republicans all fired up is that a city tried to prevent ICE from deporting an "Illegal Alien" recently. They did everything possible to prevent / block the deportation. Of course the feds trumped state / city authorities and pretty much told them to fuck off or be arrested.

Many people that I know who are republicans are angry that the city tried to interfere. They want the criminals off their streets and don't feel safe. And are bitching about their tax dollars going to fund the illegals.

What they never consider is that this is just a normal person. Not a criminal. Has never been in trouble with the law, was working and driving legally in MA as MA allows this for undocumented immigrants. And that this person has been here since he was a child, and now has a family of his own that he is being separated from.

This is not someone who can be blamed for the streets being unsafe, and this person has never gotten a dollar of government aid. He has had to work and earn his way.
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Seeing another as a human takes all the fun out of scapegoating and rage mongering.
 
mindhead1 said:
I don’t think it’s necessarily people ‘on the right’. I think it’s more people of a certain age that still have land lines and that demographic tends to skew more Republican.
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Maybe. It's a good discussion and mostly anecdotal in our assertions. My mother is a septuagenarian Jewish woman from CT that is firmly Democrat. And so are the legion of women in her canasta group. They probably all have landlines (although my mother would not talk to anyone cold calling).
 
Sparkle Baby Diaper Lava said:
Maybe. It's a good discussion and mostly anecdotal in our assertions. My mother is a septuagenarian Jewish woman from CT that is firmly Democrat. And so are the legion of women in her canasta group. They probably all have landlines (although my mother would not talk to anyone cold calling).
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Septuagenarian Jewish Northeastern Dems and octogenarian Protestant rural Midwestern GOPers (my Grandma) who still have landlines aren’t necessarily the groups that are fucking up the Polling data. It’s the “younger” non-landline owning folks. There was a poll recently releases showing Trump had a double digit lead amongst 18-34 year-olds. Which either means that polling is messed up or their has been a huge demographic shift over the 4 Years.

Edit: here’s that poll I was alluding too…
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TenderLovingKiller® said:
Septuagenarian Jewish Northeastern Dems and octogenarian Protestant rural Midwestern GOPers (my Grandma) who still have landlines aren’t necessarily the groups that are fucking up the Polling data. It’s the “younger” non-landline owning folks. There was a poll recently releases showing Trump had a double digit lead amongst 18-34 year-olds. Which either means that polling is messed up or their has been a huge demographic shift over the 4 Years.

Edit: here’s that poll I was alluding too…
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A lot of that demographic I see on TikTok or Instagram do indeed seem to be Trump supporters and wanting to "own the libs".

You have to remember, many in this age group are priced out of being able to buy a home. Those that went to college may be buried in student loan debt. They are hurting and don't want the status quo. They want a disruption.

I'm still being shocked by people you would never think being a Trump supporter in a thousand years turn out to be in this age demographic.

So far I have been saying to myself, well, they must be from rural areas or money, and their parents were republicans so this is just a default following in their parents footsteps. But I am worried there may be a shift. And with more and more younger people being priced out of being able to own a home, they are looking for someone to blow up the current system and fix everything.

To me, Trump will never be that person, he will just make things worse. But he's not the status quo.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
A lot of that demographic I see on TikTok or Instagram do indeed seem to be Trump supporters and wanting to "own the libs".

You have to remember, many in this age group are priced out of being able to buy a home. Those that went to college may be buried in student loan debt. They are hurting and don't want the status quo. They want a disruption.

I'm still being shocked by people you would never think being a Trump supporter in a thousand years turn out to be in this age demographic.

So far I have been saying to myself, well, they must be from rural areas or money, and their parents were republicans so this is just a default following in their parents footsteps. But I am worried there may be a shift. And with more and more younger people being priced out of being able to own a home, they are looking for someone to blow up the current system and fix everything.

To me, Trump will never be that person, he will just make things worse. But he's not the status quo.
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TikTok isn’t real representation, you watch one MAGA Gen Z video and the algorithm is gonna feed you a shit ton more of similar content. There is no evidence that there has been a double-digit swing in the youth vote over the past 4 years. Young people are hardly enthusiastic about either candidate but not being able to buy a home (for the record, I didn’t buy my home until I turned 34) didn’t turn a whole generation of young people into fascists. The more likely outcome is voters who are turned off by the presidential candidates that will become apathetic to the process as a whole.


also, here is another poll from roughly the same time frame…
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As you can see the polls vary wildly. Which seemingly demonstrates an issue with the polls themselves.
 
Massachusetts has a housing crisis. Not just affordability, but also availability. There simply isn't enough housing available.

One of the big issues at play is a state law that requires a super majority approval by zoning boards to build housing. This has been around for more than 30 years now and has resulted in only single family and high end luxury apartments being approved by zoning boards. The vocal minority has been able to block virtually all attempts to build multifamily housing, low income housing or apartment complex from being build in many cities. Change in community dynamics, crime and potential loss of property values are all to blame.

The law itself has failed to be repealed multiple times because it takes a super majority vote and they are always falling just a few votes short.

One of the solutions the state came up with to encourage building of low income housing, apartments and multifamily homes was to require communities within the MBTA district to build these types of housing to continue receiving subsidized public transportation service from the state.

Sadly, this hasn't really helped get more than a couple building projects approved. Zoning boards are still blocking the approval to build these types of developments. While the majority of the people in these communities as well as zoning boards vote yes to approval, the vocal minority are still blocking everything. They rather give up public transportation or have their city and residence pay more for the service than approve these types of development projects within their communities.

This week, Milton MA became the latest city where the zoning board failed to pass a vote to approve multi family housing as required to continue to receiving state subsidized public transportation service. Milton, like a lot of Boston suburbs, are composed of almost entirely single family homes. There is not much for multi family housing and almost no apartment complex.
 
Hemotep said:
Trump's shit stock dropped below $10 this morning. 2/3 wiped out. How many of his supporters lost their shirt on this scam?
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TenderLovingKiller® said:
They don’t care.
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The problem with stocks is they fall then rise then fall then rise....and in the case of people supporting him/the stock any huge dip is going to be met with hivemind "they're trying to crash the stock because it's a Trump stock"

On the other hand when it rises 200% in 3 days to go back over 35$ (today's price) they're going to believe it's due to overwhelming outside support 'joining the good fight'....Nothing good will come of this lol I also anticipate that stock will hit over $100 a share as the November date approaches
 
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