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The foreign aid bill / aid for Ukrain has passed congress and has been sent to Biden's Desk. Something Biden has been pushing for for months so he will no doubt sign it.
But congress being congress, made it a ham sandwich of other bills on their agenda as a condition to pass. One of those bills is the one that requires the sale of TikTok to a US company or be banned.
But congress being congress, made it a ham sandwich of other bills on their agenda as a condition to pass. One of those bills is the one that requires the sale of TikTok to a US company or be banned.
Nee Lewman
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Legislating other countries to sell things seems like a whole new step into just not great territory.
TenderLovingKiller®
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They don’t have to sell. TikTok will be banned in the US if they do not. It’s not uncommon for governments to ban foreign businesses from doing business in the US.
Nee Lewman
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I get the ban bit, I don’t recall another situation where the American government told another government to sell something or gtfo. I think it’s a dangerous precedent
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mrjoshuamccormack
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I think the Tiktok ban possibly handed the election to Trump. I know, as an avid Tiktok user, my wife is pretty pissed off that the connection to her neuro-diverse, EDS-having community is being threatened (though she'll still begrudgingly pull the level for Biden).
I don't think it'll hold up in court, though.
I don't think it'll hold up in court, though.
Bull Shannon
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Welp, Biden signed it. Personally, I wouldn't have.
Also...it's not enforceable....right? You can take it off the marketplace but you can't take it off my phone. Just seems like it's ripe for escalating a whole lot before TikTok is sold or the ban is repealed.
Also...it's not enforceable....right? You can take it off the marketplace but you can't take it off my phone. Just seems like it's ripe for escalating a whole lot before TikTok is sold or the ban is repealed.
Pergo
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Hopefully people realize that Trump tried to ban it as well when he was President, so I'm not sure voting for him over this issue will make much difference.
TenderLovingKiller®
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Nah, it’s fine. That precedent has long been set. Other tech/defense companies have been put in similar positions, selling is always an option. Most of the time people don’t give a shit because it’s not social media.
I wish the government would pay more attention to Social Media entities regardless of who owns them but this in and of itself isn’t a big deal. Either They will sell to another company or they will be banned and another social media entity will start offering up what TikTok was offering.
TenderLovingKiller®
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Come on now. This is like when some suggested Biden was gonna lose in 2020 because he’s gonna pass tougher regulation on Vape.
If you are an avid TikTok user you’re gonna be annoyed but if you going to vote to end democracy because you have to fuck around on Reels instead of TikTok then we deserve the hand we’re dealt.
Israel-Palestine conflict, no.
Abortion ban, nah.
I based my vote on TikTok ban passed in a bi-partisan congressional vote. Only Trump can save us now.
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TenderLovingKiller®
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It’s part of the Ukraine aid package bill. He doesn’t have a line item veto. No way he was gonna veto the bill.
The House/Senate/POTUS for both parties overwhelmingly agree that this is a legit security risk. Those assholes can’t agree on anything and they all support this. I am willing to trust the people with security clearance in this instance.
Nee Lewman
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I’m coming up with nothing useful so far searching the internet. But it’s not the selling of a company that raises concern here but telling another sovereign nation’s business that it needs to sell or else that I find interesting here. This isn’t a us business.
I agree on the social media front actually, but then it would open the doors for vast internet freedom to be eroded.
Bull Shannon
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I’m not proposing a line-item veto; it’s not unheard of for the president to veto a bill because extra, unrelated/corrupt items were shoehorned in.
Also, I’ve seen no actual proof tiktok specifically is a security risk. The hearings regarding this matter were a total farce.
mrjoshuamccormack
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It just encourages disengagement in the process. Even though it's a misunderstanding of our political system, as Biden has no input on SCOTUS, he's blamed for the downfall of Roe. The ban is just the cherry on top of the anger around that and the Israel-Palestine conflict. I'd imagine some see it as the government not actually working for them, so there's point in even trying.
To call it "fucking around" is pretty dismissive of the power of a social media platform. Besides a whole lot of content creators, who have a monetary interest, it's a part of finding community/information for plenty of folks. Like I previously mentioned, it's seen as a reflection of the government not listening to the people.
TenderLovingKiller®
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Biden plans to spend billions replacing China-made cranes at US ports
Rear Adm. Jay Vann said the move was based on intelligence related to China's interests in disrupting U.S. critical infrastructure.
www.newsweek.com
That is just due to some software backdoor built into some crane software.
You think TikTok hasn’t been compromised by the Chinese government? I don’t trust the US Governments motives in a lot of cases but I trust the Chinese governments motives even less so.
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TenderLovingKiller®
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I am fine with that. I don’t feel like I am being “foolishly dismissive” but have been called worse.
I have been on social media for at least half my life at this point. I enjoy it for the most part but it’s a time waster. Friendster, My Space, Twitter, etc.. social media comes and goes the world keeps moving, right on to the next new shiny distraction.
Bull Shannon
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I don't read "software backdoor" from that article; the idea that the software is susceptible to cyberattacks and the idea that it comes from China are two different things imo.
U.S. to invest billions replacing cranes built in China due to cybersecurity threat
President Joe Biden signed an executive order Wednesday to strengthen cybersecurity at U.S. ports. Roughly 80% of the cranes used to lift and haul cargo off shiutv44.com
That is just due to some software backdoor built into some crane software.
You think TikTok hasn’t been compromised by the Chinese government? I don’t trust the US Governments motives in a lot of cases but I trust the Chinese governments motives even less so.
I've said it before: the TikTok ban reeks of "China bad" jingoism and a desire to control the flow of information (keep in mind kids get their news from tiktok, news free from police/government spin); we're concerned about yet-to-be-proven, hypothetical security risks because the software is built by our biggest economic competitor, not because it's provably dangerous software. Any justification for restrictions or regulations can be applied to the social media and technology space at large. Restrictions and regulations which I'm in support of, by the way: facebook and twitter have had a deleterious effect on political discourse and the movement/manipulation of information, and could be easily pointed to when it comes to the rise of MAGA, the Proud Boys, and other more immediate threats to American democracy.
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mrjoshuamccormack
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I apologize for the "foolishly" choice of wording; I didn't mean that to be a personal attack, hence the editing of the original post.