Pre-Order Thread

Melt Face Molly Drop said:
That Alice Clark RSD came with a 20 page book, so are you saying she should've charged $500 instead of 60?

Also, Beyonce's book was 600+ pages, compared to the Wilco book clocking in at a whopping 22 pages. And hers was still $200 less (and it could be argued that she's a bigger draw/artist to where fans could have been milked for more). No matter how you stack it, it just doesn't add up.
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I'm just saying that this type of thing is not exclusive to Wilco. And it doesn't bother me much that they are selling it. Why is it the "take absolute advantage of your fans" retail model? Nobody is forcing anybody to buy that. I'm not sure I would pay $300-$500 for a 2 record set regardless of whether it was Beyonce or Wilco or anybody else and whether or not it. The Gorillaz Humanz super deluxe box set was another one that is really silly to me (does anybody really need that album spread across 14 12" records??) . But it doesn't make me mad that any of them are selling items like that. It is hilarious how many are left for Wilco and also the "limit of 2 per customer". I don't see it as sketchy or taking advantage of people. Releases like Tyler's IGOR album are the ones that feel like way worse cash grabs to me...release an exclusive vinyl pressing and then every few days add a new variant so that people end up buying 4 different pressings since they weren't all released at once. That seems more like taking advantage of your fans because you know they will buy everything you put out.

With the Alice Clark, I was referring more to people being mad that Warmer was a "RSD exclusive" and then they pressed the Warm/Warmer vinyl a few months later. If you bought Warmer at retail price, I don't see it as such a big deal. It's mostly the people who paid flippers an exorbitant amount that get mad at that stuff. Alice Clark and many many others have done the whole "only available at RSD" thing and then proceeded to repress the records a few months later. Yea--I guess it's cool that Alice Clark had a 20 page booklet but it was selling for $60 at my LRS. Luckily someone on here told me that a regular pressing was on it's way so I didn't buy it.
 
MikeH said:
I'm just saying that this type of thing is not exclusive to Wilco. And it doesn't bother me much that they are selling it. Why is it the "take absolute advantage of your fans" retail model? Nobody is forcing anybody to buy that. I'm not sure I would pay $300-$500 for a 2 record set regardless of whether it was Beyonce or Wilco or anybody else and whether or not it. The Gorillaz Humanz super deluxe box set was another one that is really silly to me (does anybody really need that album spread across 14 12" records??) . But it doesn't make me mad that any of them are selling items like that. It is hilarious how many are left for Wilco and also the "limit of 2 per customer". I don't see it as sketchy or taking advantage of people. Releases like Tyler's IGOR album are the ones that feel like way worse cash grabs to me...release an exclusive vinyl pressing and then every few days add a new variant so that people end up buying 4 different pressings since they weren't all released at once. That seems more like taking advantage of your fans because you know they will buy everything you put out.

With the Alice Clark, I was referring more to people being mad that Warmer was a "RSD exclusive" and then they pressed the Warm/Warmer vinyl a few months later. If you bought Warmer at retail price, I don't see it as such a big deal. It's mostly the people who paid flippers an exorbitant amount that get mad at that stuff. Alice Clark and many many others have done the whole "only available at RSD" thing and then proceeded to repress the records a few months later. Yea--I guess it's cool that Alice Clark had a 20 page booklet but it was selling for $60 at my LRS. Luckily someone on here told me that a regular pressing was on it's way so I didn't buy it.
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I believe Alice Clark was always a RSD First, which means there will be a standard press later.
 
MikeH said:
I'm just saying that this type of thing is not exclusive to Wilco. And it doesn't bother me much that they are selling it. Why is it the "take absolute advantage of your fans" retail model? Nobody is forcing anybody to buy that. I'm not sure I would pay $300-$500 for a 2 record set regardless of whether it was Beyonce or Wilco or anybody else and whether or not it. The Gorillaz Humanz super deluxe box set was another one that is really silly to me (does anybody really need that album spread across 14 12" records??) . But it doesn't make me mad that any of them are selling items like that. It is hilarious how many are left for Wilco and also the "limit of 2 per customer". I don't see it as sketchy or taking advantage of people. Releases like Tyler's IGOR album are the ones that feel like way worse cash grabs to me...release an exclusive vinyl pressing and then every few days add a new variant so that people end up buying 4 different pressings since they weren't all released at once. That seems more like taking advantage of your fans because you know they will buy everything you put out.

With the Alice Clark, I was referring more to people being mad that Warmer was a "RSD exclusive" and then they pressed the Warm/Warmer vinyl a few months later. If you bought Warmer at retail price, I don't see it as such a big deal. It's mostly the people who paid flippers an exorbitant amount that get mad at that stuff. Alice Clark and many many others have done the whole "only available at RSD" thing and then proceeded to repress the records a few months later. Yea--I guess it's cool that Alice Clark had a 20 page booklet but it was selling for $60 at my LRS. Luckily someone on here told me that a regular pressing was on it's way so I didn't buy it.
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I agree that there’s so much BS and misinformation around RSD that it doesn’t make a ton of sense to single anyone out.

However, the difference for me is that Wilco runs their own label and has an uncommon level of control over their vinyl releases. The other artists you mention are either completely uninvolved (Alice Clark) or aren’t at least outwardly involved in their vinyl releases (bigger acts like Beyoncé and Tyler).

If Wilco wanted to offer a deluxe edition for, say, what Radiohead/Thom Yorke charged for the deluxe of their latest records, or what Jack White charged for the club edition Raconteurs, I’m pretty sure they could swing it.

Either way, I rescind my initial comment. Based on the sales numbers it doesn’t sound like they’re taking advantage of anyone 😂
 
D Jilla said:
I agree that there’s so much BS and misinformation around RSD that it doesn’t make a ton of sense to single anyone out.

However, the difference for me is that Wilco runs their own label and has an uncommon level of control over their vinyl releases. The other artists you mention are either completely uninvolved (Alice Clark) or aren’t at least outwardly involved in their vinyl releases (bigger acts like Beyoncé and Tyler).

If Wilco wanted to offer a deluxe edition for, say, what Radiohead/Thom Yorke charged for the deluxe of their latest records, or what Jack White charged for the club edition Raconteurs, I’m pretty sure they could swing it.

Either way, I rescind my initial comment. Based on the sales numbers it doesn’t sound like they’re taking advantage of anyone 😂
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Yea—it’s a weird thing. More power to them if they can sell all of them but looking like that’s not gonna happen anytime soon if at all.

The Tyler one was the most annoying to me lately because he has a pretty rabid fan base and I think he is pretty heavily involved with all things marketing and product-wise. They released two versions of the album on his site, then a few days later released another and after that a few days later I think they released yet another which was a picture disc. All while saying no refunds. He did it so that his album could debut number 1 but it seemed like a cash grab and was slimey to me.

Anywho, the whole vinyl economy is crazy now.
 
Melt Face Molly Drop said:
That Alice Clark RSD came with a 20 page book, so are you saying she should've charged $500 instead of 60?

Also, Beyonce's book was 600+ pages, compared to the Wilco book clocking in at a whopping 22 pages. And hers was still $200 less (and it could be argued that she's a bigger draw/artist to where fans could have been milked for more). No matter how you stack it, it just doesn't add up.
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I’m just here to point out it’s a 22 page Pop-Up Book.
  • A 22-page clothbound hardcover embossed book printed on 100 point archival paper. The book features collages and unique hand assembled paper constructions that animate and reveal album lyrics including pages engineered with pull out die cut pockets, spinning wheels, paper doors, and unfolding gatefold spreads.
I’ll leave it at that.
 
The Commish said:
I’m just here to point out it’s a 22 page Pop-Up Book.
  • A 22-page clothbound hardcover embossed book printed on 100 point archival paper. The book features collages and unique hand assembled paper constructions that animate and reveal album lyrics including pages engineered with pull out die cut pockets, spinning wheels, paper doors, and unfolding gatefold spreads.
I’ll leave it at that.
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It best be archival paper made from Egyptian papyrus that reveals a pop-up of a real mummified pharaoh for 500 dollars.
 
The Commish said:
I’m just here to point out it’s a 22 page Pop-Up Book.
  • A 22-page clothbound hardcover embossed book printed on 100 point archival paper. The book features collages and unique hand assembled paper constructions that animate and reveal album lyrics including pages engineered with pull out die cut pockets, spinning wheels, paper doors, and unfolding gatefold spreads.
I’ll leave it at that.
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I feel like if it’s something extremely unique, they need a video or extensive pictures of it to help sell it. Most people, myself included, glazed over it as only a 22 page book.
 
wokeupnew said:
I feel like if it’s something extremely unique, they need a video or extensive pictures of it to help sell it. Most people, myself included, glazed over it as only a 22 page book.
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That's Wilco, kings of great Art wrapped in a brown paper bag and marketed in the most understated way possible.

I'm still not dropping $500 on any Wilco merch (Other than maybe a Certified Tweedy Owned/Played Live Uncle Tupelo Era Bass Guitar).
 
Indymisanthrope said:
Gonna try on a contrarian take for a sec just to see how it fits:

If 1000 copies of this (admittedly kinda cool-sounding) book were on sale for $50 and sold out in a day, and then were only available on the secondary market for a few hundo, none of which Wilco is ever going to see, would fans who would have liked a chance to purchase it be any happier?

$500 is a bitter pill to swallow, but the people who are going to buy it are going to be the people who really, really want it, and who are supporting the band (and, I assume, the book's artists) directly. Not speculators who see an investment piece that will languish on their shelves forever.

It's too much money. But I wonder if that was the rationale.
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Could be. But by doing so Wilco is pricing out a segment of their fanbase right out the gate, potentially causing ire toward the band instead of flippers. If this was limited to say, 1 or 2 hundred copies, I'd be more sympathetic. I'm curious how die hard Wilco fans/collectors feel about the pricing.
 
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Melt Face Molly Drop said:
Could be. But by doing so Wilco is pricing out a segment of their fanbase right out the gate, potentially causing ire toward the band instead of flippers. If this was limited to say, 1 or 2 hundred copies, I'd be more sympathetic. I'm curious how die hard Wilco fans/collectors feels about the pricing.
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I would put myself in the diehard Wilco camp (see my avatar); have travelled to see them at Solid Sound; have seen them live 20+ times; have every record on vinyl, etc. Because this is an art book, I'm not too concerned about the price and it was an easy pass for me. It sounds cool, but I know that I would have looked at it once and put it on the shelf. Now, if this had been an additional album / live show, or any kind of actual musical content, it would have been much harder for me...and I may have been more upset about having to pay that much for it (realistically, I may have pulled the trigger). But I'm a record and music collector, not an art book collector, so this was an easy pass for me...but it sounds cool and I hope that the people who buy it enjoy it!
 
Melt Face Molly Drop said:
Could be. But by doing so Wilco is pricing out a segment of their fanbase right out the gate, potentially causing ire toward the band instead of flippers. If this was limited to say, 1 or 2 hundred copies, I'd be more sympathetic. I'm curious how die hard Wilco fans/collectors feel about the pricing.
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Also, at 1000 copies and $500 from a purely speculative collector standpoint I don’t think you would ever get any return on investment on something like this. The numbers aren’t great.

Not to mention, while the past decade of Wilco releases have been pleasant, I doubt this one goes down as a “must have” for anyone outside Wilco completists and super fans. I would be hard pressed to purchase any new album for $500 but if it were something like a crazy reissue of YHF I would at least have a desire to own it. I am not sure I wanna buy this new one for even for $20.
 
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