R.I.P. VMP Forum

mcherry said:
Boo. Was hoping I could snag a mislabeled one, haha. Oh well.
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Last I heard, it seems like Storfer wasn't entirely sure yet and they were mulling it over. The sleeve is fine and I'm assuming that the pressing plant isn't charging much if anything to repress since they made the mistake. Will keep y'all posted. My duplicate is spoken for, but I'm sure many would be okay with either PIFing their duplicate or selling it at a reasonable price.
 
jaycee said:
I've been assuming the following:
They are positioning themselves to be the not quite audiophile company for Fadsters. In other words, people that have enough money to buy records of decent quality but don't want to consider themselves stuffy old white guy nerds who talk about rock music from the 70's. Their market is late 20's to 40 year olds with decent jobs and disposable income. They want to be the audiophile Newbury.
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Hey- old white guy nerd? Rock music from the '70s? Oh well- at least I'm not stuffy. :cool:
 
Indymisanthrope said:
wtf is this, it's terrific.
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Breathe Owl Breathe. A truly sweet and wonderful band of people from the woods of Michigan. They occasionally perform in homemade capes that were made by one of the band members' mom. I asked them once about the capes and they said that they always travel with them, but not every day is a cape day.

They have 3 albums I think, and haven't released one in a hot minute, but they still tour. They also have a book/record of lullabies/bed time stories.

When I got married we used the spoken part at the beginning of this song for the reading.
 
LG&M said:
I won a Crosley at a holiday party in 2016. Now I have a legit vinyl habit a (slightly) better setup and am passing down the Crosley to my kids so they can join in the fun with some dollar bin records they can pick out. Everyone has gotta start somewhere...

I remember getting a VMP membership as a gift that year and finding the old place soon thereafter. Not sure I would have hung around if casual scorn of people like me was as prevalent as I’ve seen around here the last couple weeks. Sure, maybe VMP is focused more on a certain demographic that isn’t so sensitive to price/quality issues. Maybe we can make that point without being so derisive about those people?
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Honestly, there was plenty of Crosley derision on the VMP forum from time to time--it kind of ebbed and flowed as I imagine it will here. Someone even posted a video of destroying a Crosley once (blowing it up? Throwing from a great height? I don't remember clearly). Ultimately you're going to encounter that attitude in any record community from time to time. It's too bad, because they totally make sense as gateway turntables: they're cute, affordable, and fit easily into just about any room. It's difficult to wade through all of the options and opinions when a person is just starting out, and Crosleys are widely available. But I do also understand why people get frustrated by companyies like VMP promoting them--they aren't good for your records, and as long as they're the go-to promo turntable, a lot of young or new vinyl enthusiasts will never even consider a need to research turntables, let alone buy something else. They'll pick up the one that looks like the cool pictures from the cool record clubs, and potentially damage their expensive records before they're deep enough into the hobby to learn otherwise.

I will say that a lot of the people rolling their eyes at VMP's advertising here are the same folks who gently encouraged affordable upgrades to newbies without any trace of condescension or mockery. I hope that as things settle down here that motivation of helping people get the most out of their records and music will be the dominant attitude. Everyone starts somewhere. Let's not let our disdain for certain companies bleed into how we treat people.

And I had a Crosley suitcase player when I resumed my vinyl listening. I knew they weren't great for records, but I've always basically embraced entropy and wabi-sabi. I too kept it for my kiddo. Music is for everyone! Records are for everyone! Yay!
 
GritNGlitter said:
Honestly, there was plenty of Crosley derision on the VMP forum from time to time--it kind of ebbed and flowed as I imagine it will here. Someone even posted a video of destroying a Crosley once (blowing it up? Throwing from a great height? I don't remember clearly). Ultimately you're going to encounter that attitude in any record community from time to time. It's too bad, because they totally make sense as gateway turntables: they're cute, affordable, and fit easily into just about any room. It's difficult to wade through all of the options and opinions when a person is just starting out, and Crosleys are widely available. But I do also understand why people get frustrated by companyies like VMP promoting them--they aren't good for your records, and as long as they're the go-to promo turntable, a lot of young or new vinyl enthusiasts will never even consider a need to research turntables, let alone buy something else. They'll pick up the one that looks like the cool pictures from the cool record clubs, and potentially damage their expensive records before they're deep enough into the hobby to learn otherwise.

I will say that a lot of the people rolling their eyes at VMP's advertising here are the same folks who gently encouraged affordable upgrades to newbies without any trace of condescension or mockery. I hope that as things settle down here that motivation of helping people get the most out of theirrecords and music will be the dominant attitude. Everyone starts somewhere. Let's not let our disdain for certain companies bleed into how we treat people.

And I had a Crosley suitcase player when I resumed my vinyl listening. I knew they weren't great for records, but I've always basically embraced entropy and wabi-sabi. I too kept it for my kiddo. Music is for everyone! Records are for everyone! Yay!
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Who needs Wabi-Sabi when you can get down with Mono no Aware?
 
GritNGlitter said:
Honestly, there was plenty of Crosley derision on the VMP forum from time to time--it kind of ebbed and flowed as I imagine it will here. Someone even posted a video of destroying a Crosley once (blowing it up? Throwing from a great height? I don't remember clearly). Ultimately you're going to encounter that attitude in any record community from time to time. It's too bad, because they totally make sense as gateway turntables: they're cute, affordable, and fit easily into just about any room. It's difficult to wade through all of the options and opinions when a person is just starting out, and Crosleys are widely available. But I do also understand why people get frustrated by companyies like VMP promoting them--they aren't good for your records, and as long as they're the go-to promo turntable, a lot of young or new vinyl enthusiasts will never even consider a need to research turntables, let alone buy something else. They'll pick up the one that looks like the cool pictures from the cool record clubs, and potentially damage their expensive records before they're deep enough into the hobby to learn otherwise.

I will say that a lot of the people rolling their eyes at VMP's advertising here are the same folks who gently encouraged affordable upgrades to newbies without any trace of condescension or mockery. I hope that as things settle down here that motivation of helping people get the most out of their records and music will be the dominant attitude. Everyone starts somewhere. Let's not let our disdain for certain companies bleed into how we treat people.

And I had a Crosley suitcase player when I resumed my vinyl listening. I knew they weren't great for records, but I've always basically embraced entropy and wabi-sabi. I too kept it for my kiddo. Music is for everyone! Records are for everyone! Yay!
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I guess we see it differently. People buy Cosleys because they are cheap, and vinyl is "in".

As we all know, vinyl isn't an inexpensive hobby. I'm not talking gear- I mean the albums themselves.

Not only is a Crosley really bad for your records, but it sounds really bad too. It may have been a gateway for you, but I'm sure many who own them lose interest in favor of CDs or digital downloads. Compared to vinyl via a Crosley, digital is far less expensive, more convenient and sounds better. And this comes from someone who only listens to digital sources in the car.

Moving to even a well thought out budget component system is a game changer though.
 
HiFi Guy said:
I guess we see it differently. People buy Cosleys because they are cheap, and vinyl is "in".

As we all know, vinyl isn't an inexpensive hobby. I'm not talking gear- I mean the albums themselves.

Not only is a Crosley really bad for your records, but it sounds really bad too. It may have been a gateway for you, but I'm sure many who own them lose interest in favor of CDs or digital downloads. Compared to vinyl via a Crosley, digital is far less expensive, more convenient and sounds better. And this comes from someone who only listens to digital sources in the car.

Moving to even a well thought out budget component system is a game changer though.
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what are your thoughts on LP60's?
 
HiFi Guy said:
I try to ignore their existence. I get budgets and all but.....no. The $199 Fluance is an infinitely better choice.

Because I don't want to come off like a snob (because I'm not as those who have met me can attest) I generally avoid any discussion involving the LP-60. You asked a direct question so....
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That seems like an awful lot of words to say “they’re trash.”
 
HiFi Guy said:
I guess we see it differently. People buy Cosleys because they are cheap, and vinyl is "in".

As we all know, vinyl isn't an inexpensive hobby. I'm not talking gear- I mean the albums themselves.

Not only is a Crosley really bad for your records, but it sounds really bad too. It may have been a gateway for you, but I'm sure many who own them lose interest in favor of CDs or digital downloads. Compared to vinyl via a Crosley, digital is far less expensive, more convenient and sounds better. And this comes from someone who only listens to digital sources in the car.

Moving to even a well thought out budget component system is a game changer though.
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"They're cheap and vinyl is in" is just more succinct. I don't disagree with you, I just don't think it serves to be dismissive of the people who start out with them for lack of other option or knowledge.

But it wasn't my gateway, I said it's a gateway for many. I picked one up because I didn't care that it would be bad for my records in the short term, it was cheap (I wasn't buying albums at the time, just trying to listen to a handful of records), and it fit in my tiny apartment (ie I could move it and stash it under my work desk during the day).

(I know you'll never understand people who don't notice or care about sound quality, so I won't even talk about it, hahaha)
 
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