STAR WARS! STAR WARS! STAR WARS

Colin Trevorrow's Episode 9 script has allegedly leaked to the internet:



I have a feeling it isn't authentic, however; the phrase "Bossk cameo" was the tipper.
 
Can't remember if I mentioned it here, but my wife and I have been re-watching the movie series in (mostly) chronological order. We've watched Episodes 1-3 and Rogue One so far. I've always really disliked Episode 2, and consistently ranked it lowest on my list. I've gone into it this time with a positive mindset, challenging myself to look more at the good than the bad. It's been a totally different experience this time around, and I've really enjoyed my re-watches of all the movies. I don't think I understood all the political stuff in the 2nd one when I was younger, and how important it was in regards to Palpatine creating the Empire.

There was a post on Reddit the other day that had a passage from the Episode 3 book adaptation that really changed how I viewed the movies. The passage was from the moment when Anakin kills Dooku, and Dooku comes to the realization in those final moments that Palpatine orchestrated every event in Dooku's rise and fall in order to get to Anakin. Re-watching with this context, you can see it in Christopher Lee's portrayal. I always saw his death in the movies as Palpatine saw a chance to push Anakin further to the dark side, and Dooku had used up his usefulness, so two birds with one lightsaber (well, two lightsabers technically). The new context makes Palpatine an even better villain imo.
 
Fillip J Phry said:
Can't remember if I mentioned it here, but my wife and I have been re-watching the movie series in (mostly) chronological order. We've watched Episodes 1-3 and Rogue One so far. I've always really disliked Episode 2, and consistently ranked it lowest on my list. I've gone into it this time with a positive mindset, challenging myself to look more at the good than the bad. It's been a totally different experience this time around, and I've really enjoyed my re-watches of all the movies. I don't think I understood all the political stuff in the 2nd one when I was younger, and how important it was in regards to Palpatine creating the Empire.

There was a post on Reddit the other day that had a passage from the Episode 3 book adaptation that really changed how I viewed the movies. The passage was from the moment when Anakin kills Dooku, and Dooku comes to the realization in those final moments that Palpatine orchestrated every event in Dooku's rise and fall in order to get to Anakin. Re-watching with this context, you can see it in Christopher Lee's portrayal. I always saw his death in the movies as Palpatine saw a chance to push Anakin further to the dark side, and Dooku had used up his usefulness, so two birds with one lightsaber (well, two lightsabers technically). The new context makes Palpatine an even better villain imo.
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There is a YT channel, Star Wars Theory, that I watch and he’s had a number of videos explaining the prequels. I’ve always appreciated them because of the Obi Wan arc, but I’m going to rewatch them like you did with an open or clearer mind.
 
Was home today with my five-year-old and had a full day of activities planned. She woke up sick, though, so we spent the morning sitting on the couch together and watched A New Hope together for the first time. She's been surrounded by Star Wars her whole life but we hadn't yet let her watch the movies because it just didn't seem like the right time for her. She came home from school last week, though, and told me that some kids on the playground had told her that Star Wars was "for boys" so it was time to show her just how wrong those kids are. We took a bit of a break after the death of Ben and Beru because it was getting a little intense for her but she really wanted to go back to it later in the day and she ended up loving it. She has lots of questions -- including some good ones like "what did they do with that man's arm after it was cut off?" -- and I was somewhat surprised that Darth Vader was, by far, her favorite character. But the thing I'll remember is the wonder/amazement on her face as she watched this movie that has meant so much to me. It was such a gift to be able to share it with her, see her react to it and be able to see it through the eyes of a kid again.
 
I watched Attack of the Clones a couple weeks ago with my two daughters. The older one (12) thought the Anakin/Padme parts were very cringey (her words). The younger one (10) fell asleep during the clone battle. She weirdly falls asleep during action scenes. Overall, it wasn't as bad as I remembered but the dialogue is pretty awful. Next up, we're going to watch Revenge of the Sith. The entire reason the older one wants to watch is because there's a Tik Tok of some teen boys doing the Anakin/Obi Wan fight speech that makes her just laugh and laugh. I think my issues with ROTS were I didn't really buy that they were friends or brothers. I also didn't buy Anakin's turn. I've heard the Clone Wars cartoon does a better job of spelling those things out but I just can't bring myself to watch the exploits of a guy who's about to turn into the ultimate evil. I may watch this 7th season that's about to come out on Disney+ to pass the time before the next season of the Mandalorian comes out.
 
I finally finished the last three episodes of The Mandalorian and I'd say it really finds its legs by the end. I wouldn't call it the Second Coming of Jesus Himself as some are, but it totally gets the job done. I still maintain Mando himself is the least interesting character on the show (though I'd say the show seems to be figuring out how best to use him), and that the guest/recurring characters surrounding him make or break each particular episode. Sometimes the plotting and acting are perfunctory, but I guess that's action tv, folks.

Maybe it's because the episodic format is very evocative of a time where tv shows had the luxury of taking a couple of seasons to lock into place, but I could really see us all looking back on this season and saying "wow, that show started out a lot differently," sort of in the same way there are weird early Chip N Dale episodes without Gadget or Monterey Jack, or the early TNG eps with beardless Riker.
 
Bull Shannon said:
I finally finished the last three episodes of The Mandalorian and I'd say it really finds its legs by the end. I wouldn't call it the Second Coming of Jesus Himself as some are, but it totally gets the job done. I still maintain Mando himself is the least interesting character on the show (though I'd say the show seems to be figuring out how best to use him), and that the guest/recurring characters surrounding him make or break each particular episode. Sometimes the plotting and acting are perfunctory, but I guess that's action tv, folks.

Maybe it's because the episodic format is very evocative of a time where tv shows had the luxury of taking a couple of seasons to lock into place, but I could really see us all looking back on this season and saying "wow, that show started out a lot differently," sort of in the same way there are weird early Chip N Dale episodes without Gadget or Monterey Jack, or the early TNG eps with beardless Riker.
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Although I thought tonally the final episodes humor was totally out of whack with the previous episodes in the season I'm really glad they gave Taiki Waititi directing duties on that episode. I thought it was arguably the best episode of the season and I'll definitely tune into a second season to see if they've figured out what exactly they want this show to be.
 
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Although I thought tonally the final episodes humor was totally out of whack with the previous episodes in the season I'm really glad they gave Taiki Waititi directing duties on that episode. I thought it was arguably the best episode of the season and I'll definitely tune into a second season to see if they've figured out what exactly they want this show to be.
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I like Star Wars as a sandbox rather than a set of building blocks, so I do hope the tonal dissonance continues. The prison break episode was so cut-and-dry in the wheelhouse of a specific genre and story type, which made it go down real easy.
 
Bull Shannon said:
I like Star Wars as a sandbox rather than a set of building blocks, so I do hope the tonal dissonance continues. The prison break episode was so cut-and-dry in the wheelhouse of a specific genre and story type, which made it go down real easy.
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Haha I HATED that episode. It looked like Dr Who. Complete with the incredibly cheap looking rebel ship set that looked like something you'd find at a Fan Expo, that you take pictures in front of. When he hit the door panel and the drywall actually moved like a inch back, I laughed out loud. BUT that being said, I was still entertained, even though I thought it was pretty horrid. And yes, I agree with the sandbox analogy completely HOWEVER I prefer that on a film to film, project to project basis rather than episode to episode. To me it really messes with the flow of a show when the universe seems to change in tone episode to episode within a single season.
 
Mather said:
Haha I HATED that episode. It looked like Dr Who. Complete with the incredibly cheap looking rebel ship set that looked like something you'd find at a Fan Expo, that you take pictures in front of. When he hit the door panel and the drywall actually moved like a inch back, I laughed out loud. BUT that being said, I was still entertained, even though I thought it was pretty horrid. And yes, I agree with the sandbox analogy completely HOWEVER I prefer that on a film to film, project to project basis rather than episode to episode. To me it really messes with the flow of a show when the universe seems to change in tone episode to episode within a single season.
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You know, now that you mention it, that episode totally would slot right into a Russell T. Davies era season of Doctor Who. That makes it even more fun. 😂
 
I wish there was an eye roll reaction; The Mandalorian is good and we pretend KK had nothing to do with it. RoS is a rushed mess and we say KK dropped the ball. They put Obi Wan on hold to make sure they do things right, and KK is meddling too much. I know she’s rich and probably doesn’t check the internet, but I feel bad for how she’s become the symbol for anything anyone finds wrong with Star Wars.
 
Right now Star Wars is facing major fatigue due to over-saturation and middling reviews. Pausing or even cancelling a show that could very well increase the negative attention is smart. Personally I think the biggest flaw of all Star Wars storytelling post the OT is that most of the stories only exist to fulfill fandom desires, and more than a few times we've ended up with stories full of signifiers of SW past, but empty of any significance. Taking time to tease out an actual story worth watching is more important to me than seeing Ewan in the desert. With so much TV content to watch these days I think the value prop of this show needs to be higher than "it's Star Wars."
 
^^^There is a lot of what you said that I completely agree with. So much of the sequel trilogy was needless nostalgia. I wanted more Rey and Kylo and less Palpatine and older characters returning.

To bull's post, Kathleen Kennedy gets the blame since she's the head of the company. It's not entirely fair but she does deserve blame for the issues with the production of these movies. Each movie outside of Last Jedi had issues with the directing, writing, editing, or producing. Where she made a mistake, and it's been said on here before, was not having one vision running the entire sequel trilogy so that it had a sense of continuity. Handing off the writing from one person to the next made the sequel trilogy clunky and a bunch of 180 degree turns. It's really sad that there's a competing final movie script out there at all that seems closer to Last Jedi and almost more of a fitting farewell to the series. It shouldn't have been this way. This sequel trilogy will probably be remembered as a missed opportunity.

The ultimate culprit though, IMO, is Disney for their rigid every other year release schedule. From pushing Solo to May instead of leaving it to the following December to not delaying Rise of Skywalker till the story and direction were fully fleshed out. The original trilogy was 3 years apart for each release. The prequel trilogy was also released 3 years apart. Even the latter, as poorly scripted with the character dialogue, have more cohesion than the sequel trilogy. So yes, I'm fine with them not ramming out a new series with Obi Wan given it is a very delicate story with a beloved character and serious canon limitations. The entire idea of him being on Tatooine was to watch over Luke. A hermit's existence till Luke came of age. So yeah, please take your time and write something great that makes sense for the character we see in A New Hope. Then get completely away from the Skywalkers, Empire, Republic, etc. Let Rian write and direct some new stories, unburdened by the Skywalker lineage and need for nostalgia. It really says something about how I felt watching the last movie that I haven't seen it again or even desired to see it again. And I watched the others multiple times in the theaters.
 
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